Just Try And Stump The Sports Expert

[Mike Schutz]

Hail Mary- Doug Flutie and ?????


Gerard Phelan

[Edith K. Thurmond]

Edith, who is/was Allie Reynolds nephew? That I did not know. I knew his dad was a Nazarene evangelist and theat Allie was called "Chief" because of his Native American heritage.

See the correction in my original post about him.

* It was his 1st cousin who was a member of the CotN until her death.
* She and Allie spent quite a bit of time together in their formative years and then in their later years.
* His 2nd cousin is the long-time professor at SNU and wanted me to leave his name off the internet; he has no interest in joining NN.
* Allie was part Native American Indian and has been featured on Tribal Nation television ads in the local market.

[Jim Franklin]

What famous singer's son played basketball for the Washington State Cougars. I saw him play the Buchan Bakers a superb AAU team at Wenatchee, Washington. I believe the Buchan Bakers team was sponsored by a Buchan Bakery in Seattle.

[Jim Franklin]

Jim, the other Hall of Famer from Idaho whom my dad had the privilege of catching was Walter "Big Train" Johnson of the Washington Senators.

Jim, my reason for nicknaming you "Dr. Freethrow" is because I know that you were awarded your doctorate which included a doctoral disertation on Freethrow Shooting.

[Jim Franklin]

Other nick names or favorite phrases that were commonly connected to specific athletes that come to mind are:

Joltin' Joe, Peewee, the Duke, Whitey, the Dutchman, Say Hey, lets play two, three were known as Dizzy, the Go Go Sox (which Sox), Catfish, Blue Moon, nick names used to be a more common feature of athletes than now days, George Mikan of the Minneapolis Lakers was another. Others are the Big Dipper, the Stilt, the Dream, beside Red Shoendienst there was another famous athlete known as "Red"; The Four Horsemen, the Rock (2), Peek a boo, the Man, Mighty Mite. Can anyone name all of these?

[Jim Franklin]

Jim, the other Hall of Famer from Idaho whom my dad had the privilege of catching was Walter "Big Train" Johnson of the Washington Senators.

[Jim Poteet]

What famous singer's son played basketball for the Washington State Cougars. I saw him play the Buchan Bakers a superb AAU team at Wenatchee, Washington. I believe the Buchan Bakers team was sponsored by a Buchan Bakery in Seattle.

Jim,

You've stumped me on this one. I am familiar with the Buchan Bakers, the famous AAU team from Seattle. They won the 1956 National AAU Tournament in Denver. In the quarterfinals, Buchan beat Pasadena Mirror Glaze whose star player was PC sophmore Jim Bond. Also on that team was former PC stars Bob Hopkins, John Davis and my college basketball coach, Chalmer "Champ" Cartwright. Because of Jim Bond's outstanding play in the National AAU Tournament, he was selected the outstanding young player in the tournament and was picked to play in the 1956 Olympic Trials and of course played against players such as Bill Russell and K.C. Jones. Bond went to the Olympics as an alternate on the U.S. Team. It should be mentioned that Bond was drafted by the Minneapolis (Los Angeles) Lakers, but chose to go to Nazarene Seminary. I can assure you that if he had chosen to play in the NBA, he would have had an illustrious career. To put it simply, he was a great player.

[Jim Poteet]

Jim, the other Hall of Famer from Idaho whom my dad had the privilege of catching was Walter "Big Train" Johnson of the Washington Senators.

Jim, my reason for nicknaming you "Dr. Freethrow" is because I know that you were awarded your doctorate which included a doctoral disertation on Freethrow Shooting.

Jim,

It is true. The title of my doctoral dissertation was The Paradox of the Free Throw. By this I meant, the things that make a free throw look so easy are the things that make it so hard.

[Jim Franklin]

One of Bing Crosby's sons, Dennis played for the WSC, at the time, Cougars.

[Jim Poteet]

Other nick names or favorite phrases that were commonly connected to specific athletes that come to mind are:

Joltin' Joe, Peewee, the Duke, Whitey, the Dutchman, Say Hey, lets play two, three were known as Dizzy, the Go Go Sox (which Sox), Catfish, Blue Moon, nick names used to be a more common feature of athletes than now days, George Mikan of the Minneapolis Lakers was another. Others are the Big Dipper, the Stilt, the Dream, beside Red Shoendienst there was another famous athlete known as "Red"; The Four Horsemen, the Rock (2), Peek a boo, the Man, Mighty Mite. Can anyone name all of these?

I'll give it at try-

Jolting Joe Dimaggio
Peewee Reese
Duke Snider
Whitey Ford
Flying Dutchman Honus Wagner
Say Hey Willie Mays
Lets play two Ernie Banks
Jay Hanna "Dizzy" Dean, Paul "Dizzy" Trout, ????
Go Go Chicago White Sox
Jim "Catfish" Hunter
John "Blue Moon" Odom
George "Mr. Basketball" Mikan
Wilt "Big Dipper" Chamberlain
Wilt "The Stilt" Chamberlain
Dean "The Dream" Meminger
Harold "Red" Grange
The Four Horseman - Layden, Miller, Crowley and Stuhldreher - Notre Dame Backfield
Earl "Rock" Averill, Tim Raines
Peek-a-boo Streete (skier)
Stan "The Man" Musial
Nellie "The Mighty Mite" Fox

[Jim Franklin]

The other "Dizzy" was Vance who played for the Brooklyn Dodgers just before and during WWII.

"Rock" I was thinking of Knute Rockne and "Rock" or Rocky Marciano and then there was also Rocky Colavito.

Dream, I was thinking of Kareem, the Dream.

Peek a boo was Floyd Patterson's style of boxing, Picabo Street, she was named after Picabo, ID which I have been through many times. Many sports announcers pronounced her name as Peek a boo to which she relented but the correct pronounciation is more like Pick a bo.

Most baseball pitchers are about 6' or way over like Johnson of the Diamondbacks, but who was an all star pitcher at 5'7'? I believe Nolan Ryan was about 5' 10".

Another nick name is "Sweetness."

The famous double play combination was ......

Who are the two famous LTs?

The Galloping Ghost?

Thanks, Chuck, for introducing this thread. It has brought Jim out where we can benefit from his knowledge and hopefully he will continue to contribute. It is almost like you "called him out."

[Chuck Millhuff]

Chuck,

First, it was not PNC. It was Pasadena College (PC). However, most of the general sports public of Southern California referred to the basketball program as "Paz Naz." I don't have the guts to share stats. Let's just say that I did O.K.I understand that the remarkable rebound records of Jim Bond was the results of the guards at PC that banged them off the iron over and over. Did you know any of these guards or were you one of them?

[Jim Poteet]

The other "Dizzy" was Vance who played for the Brooklyn Dodgers just before and during WWII.

"Rock" I was thinking of Knute Rockne and "Rock" or Rocky Marciano and then there was also Rocky Colavito.

Dream, I was thinking of Kareem, the Dream.

Peek a boo was Floyd Patterson's style of boxing, Picabo Street, she was named after Picabo, ID which I have been through many times. Many sports announcers pronounced her name as Peek a boo to which she relented but the correct pronounciation is more like Pick a bo.

Most baseball pitchers are about 6' or way over like Johnson of the Diamondbacks, but who was an all star pitcher at 5'7'? I believe Nolan Ryan was about 5' 10".

Another nick name is "Sweetness."

The famous double play combination was ......

Who are the two famous LTs?

The Galloping Ghost?

Thanks, Chuck, for introducing this thread. It has brought Jim out where we can benefit from his knowledge and hopefully he will continue to contribute. It is almost like you "called him out."

Jim,

I caught you on one. He was known as "Dazzy" Vance, not "Dizzy" Vance.

Whitey Ford was quite small, maybe 5-8.

Walter Payton is known as "sweetness."

Double Play Combination - Tinkers to Evers to Chance

LT's - Lawrence Taylor, LaDanlian Tomlinson

The Galloping Ghost- Harold "Red" Grange

[Jim Poteet]

I understand that the remarkable rebound records of Jim Bond was the results of the guards at PC that banged them off the iron over and over. Did you know any of these guards or were you one of them?

Chuck,

No, I was not one of them. Jim Bond was a great rebounder and averaged over 18 rebounds per game.

[Gina Stevenson]

Spud Webb had a real first name, what was it?

Tater, of course! [sorry! just couldn't resist, Chuck!] :basic05

[Ryan Scott]

Picabo Street, she was named after Picabo, ID which I have been through many times. Many sports announcers pronounced her name as Peek a boo to which she relented but the correct pronounciation is more like Pick a bo.


Actually, I heard an interview with her where they asked how she got her name. Apparently her parents were hippies and didn't actually name her. When she was about three, her family was traveling to Canada and the border patrol needed to know her name, so they asked her what she wanted to be called and she said "peek-a-boo." They spelled it like the town, but it's very much "peek-a-boo."

[Chuck Millhuff]

Doctor Jim in your Doctroronal and expert knowledge do you think it is harder to hit a pitched baseball at near 100 MPH or hit a driver in golf with the ball standing still ..... WELL.

[Jim Franklin]

Ryan, there is a small town here in Idaho named Picabo and I have heard her parents say in an interview by local media that she was named after the town.

Jim, I was thinking of Bobby Shantz who I recall was 5'7".

I believe your right, on second, third or whatever thought, about Vance being Dazzy rather than Dizzy. I'm sitting here corrected. Vance was a hitter but not a fielder. He had flyballs bounce off of his head on more than several occasions. He was the only header to play baseball. LOL

[Jim Franklin]

I once umpired a Little League game in the summer of 1959 at which a future major leaguer was one on the pitchers. His name was Steve Kline from Chelan, Washington. There, currently, is another pitcher by the same name pitching for a major league team. The Steve, I knew, went on to pitch for the New York Yankees and in the 1971 was 19-6 in August and being touted for Rookie of the Year honors but lost his last 7 starts when the offense fell down on him. After an injury he pitched briefly for the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. Only time I ever cheered for the Yankees was when Steve was pictching.

[Edith K. Thurmond]

Wrestling anyone?

Who was the person who won two national championships as a wrestler, another as a coach and he had a very successful career in the sport that spanned five decades? He also had a champion wrestler son and a brother (also a coach) although neither of them achieved his fame in the sport.

???

[Jim Franklin]

So who would be included on an Nazarene All-Star Baseball team? In more recent years we have several from our colleges drafted by major league teams. Jay Dean at first base who led the Pacific Coast League in hitting during his tenure with the Portland Beavers. NNU's Bobby Brooks in the outfield and could steal bases and hit home runs with skill and go after fly balls in the outfield.

[Jim Franklin]

My guess is Dan Gable.

There were a pair of twins from Pasco, Washington who wrestled for Oklahoma State back in the 60s. Do you know who they were?

[Edith K. Thurmond]

My guess is Dan Gable.



Good guess but not the one in mind. Dan Gable did win two NCAA championships but the person I am thinking of took it a bit further. Also, he does not fit the other specification included in my initial posting.

The name you posted brought a smile to my face and contains a bit of a clue.

???

[Gina Stevenson]

Edith have you read or seen Friday Night Lights? The book is better than the movie. A great read. Jim was there and has the feelings of that era.

'Never heard of there being such a book or movie. Only remember something that I kept forgetting to watch that looked good the first time I saw it on TV last season. The father/coach was the guy who was on that "Early Edition" (which I rarely watched, too, but he had a memorable face, so I recognized him in the other program). Watched neither of them enough to even remember his name! ;)

[Jim Poteet]

Doctor Jim in your Doctroronal and expert knowledge do you think it is harder to hit a pitched baseball at near 100 MPH or hit a driver in golf with the ball standing still ..... WELL.

In my humble opinion, I believe it is much more difficult to hit a 100 MPH pitch. However, hitting a golf ball straight for a long distance is also very difficult.

[Jim Poteet]

So who would be included on an Nazarene All-Star Baseball team? In more recent years we have several from our colleges drafted by major league teams. Jay Dean at first base who led the Pacific Coast League in hitting during his tenure with the Portland Beavers. NNU's Bobby Brooks in the outfield and could steal bases and hit home runs with skill and go after fly balls in the outfield.

Jim,

Tim Belcher who pitched for the Dodgers and other teams very successfully is a graduate of Mount Vernon Nazarene College.

[Jim Poteet]

My guess is Dan Gable.

There were a pair of twins from Pasco, Washington who wrestled for Oklahoma State back in the 60s. Do you know who they were?

You stumped me on that one!

[Ryan Scott]

Cael Sanderson was a recent great collegiate wrestler, although I thought he completed his college career totally undefeated, so he would have won four NCAA titles, right?

[Edith K. Thurmond]

Cael Sanderson was a recent great collegiate wrestler, although I thought he completed his college career totally undefeated, so he would have won four NCAA titles, right?

Scott, who are you responding to with this reply? My initial question or to Jim's?

[Jim Franklin]

I remember the twins who wrestled at OSU as the O'Brian twins but I could be confused on that last name because I knew their junior high wrestling coach Claude O'Brian which would be a bit ironic, but possible. Claude married a long time friend of my mother's family from Sioux City, IA who graduated from NNC. Just trying to recall what their names were and thought someone might know. I think I recall that they were the first twins to make it to the NCAA championships.


One of Tim Belcher's teammates was Rev. Ed Weaver who is an associate pastor at Eagle, ID Church of the Nazarene. I don't believe Tim is still pitching in the majors. Other pitchers who played pro ball from NNC were Jerry Isaacson, Cec Campbell, Mike Mortimer and ----Evenson. What other position players have been drafted from Nazarene colleges?

[Jim Poteet]

I remember the twins who wrestled at OSU as the O'Brian twins but I could be confused on that last name because I knew their junior high wrestling coach Claude O'Brian which would be a bit ironic, but possible. Claude married a long time friend of my mother's family from Sioux City, IA who graduated from NNC. Just trying to recall what their names were and thought someone might know. I think I recall that they were the first twins to make it to the NCAA championships.


One of Tim Belcher's teammates was Rev. Ed Weaver who is an associate pastor at Eagle, ID Church of the Nazarene. I don't believe Tim is still pitching in the majors. Other pitchers who played pro ball from NNC were Jerry Isaacson, Cec Campbell, ----Mortimer and ----Evenson. What other position players have been drafted from Nazarene colleges?

What decade did the twins wrestle at Oklahoma State?

Being drafted in baseball is a whole lot different than being drafted in Football and Basketball. About 1500 baseball players are drafted each year. In basketball 60 players are drafted. The NFL drafted 255 players this year. My point is that it is easier to be drafted in Baseball.

I can share with you the basketball players that I know were drafted by the NBA or ABA

Bob Hopkins, PC- Minneapolis Lakers
Jim Bond, PC- Minneapolis Lakers
Ben Foster, PC- Los Angeles Stars
Lloyd Higgins, PC- Los Angeles Stars
Steve Neff, BNC- Golden State Warriors
George Torres, BNC- Utah Jazz

There may have been others, but I just don't know.

[Edith K. Thurmond]

My guess is Dan Gable.



The person in query was Stan Abel who had a long and successful career in the sport of wrestling. He won national titles while a student and then coached at a couple of schools in Ohio. He was summoned to University of Oklahoma as wrestling coach and was a long-termer there and one of his teams won a national championship. He also coached many champions who won all sorts of awards. Stan Abel was one who warned Dave Schultz about John duPont and the craziness that surrounded his place (Foxcatcher), eventually resulting in disaster. Really, really weird when that happened!

Stan's son, Derren, earned All American honors while wrestling at OU and his brother, Tommy (Tom) was an outstanding (award-winning) OU wrestler and wrestling coach in small college and highschool programs. Tom recently retired and is now in the home construction business.

[Edith K. Thurmond]

Cael Sanderson was a recent great collegiate wrestler, although I thought he completed his college career totally undefeated, so he would have won four NCAA titles, right?

It was four (I think) and he is definitely from a huge family of wrestlers. Like an team - almost. He is not quite old enough to fit the 50 years in wrestling though.

Stan Abel was the person in query.

[Ryan Scott]

I never actually read the initial question. I just saw someone mention wrestling and with Dan Gable's name out there already the only other college wrestler I knew was Sanderson.

[Jim Franklin]

Stan Abel, Dan Gable they rhyme. Jim, the twin wrestlers were at OSU in the mid 60s.

I did not get an answer to the pitcher who pitched 9 innings of no-hit ball but lost the game in extra innings which he pitched.

[Jim Poteet]

Stan Abel, Dan Gable they rhyme. Jim, the twin wrestlers were at OSU in the mid 60s.

I did not get an answer to the pitcher who pitched 9 innings of no-hit ball but lost the game in extra innings which he pitched.

Yes, you did. Go back to post #217. Oh, well, I'll answer it again. Harvey Haddix pitched 12 innings of perfect baseball and gave up a hit and a run in the 13th to lose.

[Ryan Scott]

I seem to recall someone else took a no hitter into the 10th inning, where they promptly lost it. Did this happen to Pedro Martinez in Montreal, or am I crazy?

[Jim Poteet]

I seem to recall someone else took a no hitter into the 10th inning, where they promptly lost it. Did this happen to Pedro Martinez in Montreal, or am I crazy?

You are correct. Pedro, in 1995, gave up a double to start the 10th inning after pitching a 9 inning perfect game. He was taken out after the hit and his reliever retired the next 3 batters. However, his team scored a run in the 10th inning, so Pedro did not lose the game. Jim's question asked for the pitcher that pitched an extra inning no-hitter and lost the game.

[DA Weaver]

Jim,

How much is an autographed Emmit Smith 1995 Pro Magnets magnet worth?

Of course, we're not certain it's authentic, but my son found one while in a suburb of Dallas while on vacation, so we have reason to believe it's authentic.

lol, I doubt you can answer this one, but to my son.... it's priceless....

[Jim Poteet]

Jim,

How much is an autographed Emmit Smith 1995 Pro Magnets magnet worth?

Of course, we're not certain it's authentic, but my son found one while in a suburb of Dallas while on vacation, so we have reason to believe it's authentic.

lol, I doubt you can answer this one, but to my son.... it's priceless....

I don't know. There is so much autographed merchandise today that it is not worth too much except for the nostalgic value.

[Gina Stevenson]

I don't know. There is so much autographed merchandise today that it is not worth too much except for the nostalgic value.

While on the subject, what about some Nolan Ryan memorabilia gotten years ago while in the Houston area [where we saw him pitch in the Astrodome, too, BTW]? ;)

[Jim Franklin]

I have a glove signed by Ken Griffey, Jr. in the summer of 1988 here in boise when he played for the Bellingham team between high school and the Mariners later that season. Any guess as to how much it would be worth?

Guess I missed you answer of Harvey Haddix. Sorry.

One thing that has caused me to quit attending sporting events is the deafenly loud whatever that is played by so many pep bands and taped music at time outs, breaks in action or between innings. With a decible discomfort level of 80 decibles of 80 rather than 100 it ruins my enjoyment as does deafenly loud music in churches. God gave my aural faculties to listen to Him not get destroyed by what some think of as entertaining music or praise choruses.

It's TV or nothing for my sport watching.

[Ryan Scott]

It drives me nuts that so many teams are playing music through game action now. It totally keeps the crowd from being involved in the games. Of course, the people in the crowd would actually have to want to be involved for that to work, but that's probably another issue altogether.

[Jim Poteet]

While on the subject, what about some Nolan Ryan memorabilia gotten years ago while in the Houston area [where we saw him pitch in the Astrodome, too, BTW]? ;)

I don't know. It needs to be held for long term value. In today's world, players sign thousands and thousands of pieces of memorabilia, so value is diminished.

[Ryan Scott]

I have a baseball card that may be of value someday. It's of a recently retired major leaguer. The card is from an early stage in his career when he went by a childhood nickname, a nickname that if used today would send this rather large man into an irate frenzy. Anyone know who it is?

[Jim Poteet]

I have a glove signed by Ken Griffey, Jr. in the summer of 1988 here in boise when he played for the Bellingham team between high school and the Mariners later that season. Any guess as to how much it would be worth?

Guess I missed you answer of Harvey Haddix. Sorry.

One thing that has caused me to quit attending sporting events is the deafenly loud whatever that is played by so many pep bands and taped music at time outs, breaks in action or between innings. With a decible discomfort level of 80 decibles of 80 rather than 100 it ruins my enjoyment as does deafenly loud music in churches. God gave my aural faculties to listen to Him not get destroyed by what some think of as entertaining music or praise choruses.

It's TV or nothing for my sport watching.

Jim, Go to a college football game. The band is live and in such a wide open area, you should have no trouble with too much volume. You have a great team in Boise State to watch there. I am a great admirer of their coach and their program, especially since they beat the Sooners last January.

That Ken Griffey autographed glove will gain in value when he is voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

[Jim Poteet]

It drives me nuts that so many teams are playing music through game action now. It totally keeps the crowd from being involved in the games. Of course, the people in the crowd would actually have to want to be involved for that to work, but that's probably another issue altogether.

I agree. The NBA is not about basketball. It is about entertainment. Therefore, the marketers feel that they must entertain during every moment that the players are not in action. The same could be said for most other sports.

[Jim Poteet]

I have a baseball card that may be of value someday. It's of a recently retired major leaguer. The card is from an early stage in his career when he went by a childhood nickname, a nickname that if used today would send this rather large man into an irate frenzy. Anyone know who it is?

What a good question. You are going to have to give us more hints.

[Jim Franklin]

I have never seen a statistic on who has had the highest average of home runs per season. During Saturday's game it was mentioned that despite owning the record for the most home runs in his career, Hank Aaron had never hit as many as 50 in any one season. I have seen stats on homeruns per times at bat.

[Ryan Scott]

I have never seen a statistic on who has had the highest average of home runs per season. During Saturday's game it was mentioned that despite owning the record for the most home runs in his career, Hank Aaron had never hit as many as 50 in any one season. I have seen stats on homeruns per times at bat.


Do you consider a "season" to be any season in which the player played at least one game? Is there a minimum number of games for it to be counted?


In eleven full seasons (not counting his first two in which he played a combined 55 games or his current season which is not over yet) Alex Rodriguez has averaged 41.7 HRs per season. I doubt anyone can beat that for a career. If you add in all 14 seasons he's played in the majors, even though he didn't get many at-bats the first two years, he's still at 35.57 per year (which will probably go up once this year is finished).

[Ryan Scott]

What a good question. You are going to have to give us more hints.


I know Jeremy Scott knows the answer. He was present when we got an entire section of the Fenway Park grandstands to chant this unloved nickname at the player in question when he was playing right field for a visiting club.

[Jim Poteet]

I know Jeremy Scott knows the answer. He was present when we got an entire section of the Fenway Park grandstands to chant this unloved nickname at the player in question when he was playing right field for a visiting club.

We still need a hint.

[Ryan Scott]

He left the game over an arthritic hip? That might be giving too much away.

[Jim Poteet]

He left the game over an arthritic hip? That might be giving too much away.

Could it be Bo Jackson.

[Ryan Scott]

Could it be Bo Jackson.

Nope. Even more recent than Bo. I'm only 25 years old and I saw this guy play during my college years.

[Jim Poteet]

Nope. Even more recent than Bo. I'm only 25 years old and I saw this guy play during my college years.

I don't have any idea. You've stumped me.

[Ryan Scott]

Albert "Joey" Belle. Apparently his middle name was shortened to Joey as his childhood nickname. He played in the minors and a year or two in the major leagues as Joey Belle, but after some intense alcohol rehab and personal counseling to control anger issues, he stopped using the name and frequently threatened anyone who called him Joey.

I just heard an interview with a former teammate of his who was commenting on his notorious temper, he said, Albert was a great guy and a great teammate. He was the nicest guy around... just don't call him Joey.

I wonder if my Joey Belle baseball card will ever be worth anything?

[Jim Poteet]

Albert "Joey" Belle. Apparently his middle name was shortened to Joey as his childhood nickname. He played in the minors and a year or two in the major leagues as Joey Belle, but after some intense alcohol rehab and personal counseling to control anger issues, he stopped using the name and frequently threatened anyone who called him Joey.

I just heard an interview with a former teammate of his who was commenting on his notorious temper, he said, Albert was a great guy and a great teammate. He was the nicest guy around... just don't call him Joey.

I wonder if my Joey Belle baseball card will ever be worth anything?

Thanks.

I remember Albert Belle. The Joey Belle card is probably worth whatever someone will pay for it.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Jim: What was the play that the whole world series turned on between the Cards and the Royals?

[Chuck Millhuff]

I understand how it happened and can help any sniveling Cardnal fan after all these years.

[Jim Poteet]

Jim: What was the play that the whole world series turned on between the Cards and the Royals?

This is too easy. The umpire Don Denkinger blew an out call at 1st base in the 6th game of the 1985 World Series.

[Jim Poteet]

I understand how it happened and can help any sniveling Cardnal fan after all these years.

Cardinal is spelled C-A-R-D-I-N-A-L.

[Wilson L. Deaton]

I just came home from an event that included a "Madison," and a, "Snowball."

What was the nature of the event?

Wilson

[Chuck Millhuff]

Cardinal is spelled C-A-R-D-I-N-A-L.Spelling is not my fortay

[Chuck Millhuff]

This is too easy. The umpire Don Denkinger blew an out call at 1st base in the 6th game of the 1985 World Series.It was a very short toss. He looked at the bag and listened for the slap of the ball in the glove. The toss was so soft there was no sound. Now you know the rest of the story expert.

[Jim Poteet]

Spelling is not my fortay

Sometimes it is quite obvious.

[Jim Poteet]

I just came home from an event that included a "Madison," and a, "Snowball."

What was the nature of the event?

Wilson

We need a hint. I have an idea. Was it a rodeo and there were bulls named "Madison" and "Snowball?"

[Wilson L. Deaton]

We need a hint. I have an idea. Was it a rodeo and there were bulls named "Madison" and "Snowball?"

Kenosha, WI, is home to the oldest operating velodrome in the country.

Madison and Snowball are both names given to track cycling events.

Madison is a "tag-team" race. Racers work in teams of two, the active rider works as hard as he can while his team mate slowly cruises. On any given pass, the activer rider will take the hand of the teammate and sling him into action then go into a slow cruise until his teammate passes the race back to him. (Interestig trivia: event named after Madison Square which was originally built as a velodrome.)

Snowball is a race where points are given each lap with each lap being worth more points than the lap before. Example:
Lap 1: 1st=1 point
Lap 2: 1st=2 points, 2nd=1 point
....
Lap 10: 1st = 10 points, 2nd=9 points, 3rd=8 points, etc.
Winner is one with most points after specified laps.

Other common events:

Keiren: A race where all riders remain in a motor-paced draft-line until about 2 laps to go, then pacer leaves track and sprinters battle it out. (Motor-pacer slowly accelerates so they go faster and faster.)

Miss and Out: Each lap, last rider is eliminated, with a final sprint lap when there are just a few left.

Danish (sometimes called Win and Out): Winner of first lap wins, Winner of second lap takes second place, etc. (If you go for first and and don't win, you are too exhausted to take second...)

There are several more... Each race format has different strategies and adds much interest to track cycling events.... Official races here in Kenosha every Tuesday evening of the season. I spent a couple hours at the track earlier this evening.

Wilson

[Jim Poteet]

Kenosha, WI, is home to the oldest operating velodrome in the country.

Madison and Snowball are both names given to track cycling events.

Madison is a "tag-team" race. Racers work in teams of two, the active rider works as hard as he can while his team mate slowly cruises. On any given pass, the activer rider will take the hand of the teammate and sling him into action then go into a slow cruise until his teammate passes the race back to him. (Interestig trivia: event named after Madison Square which was originally built as a velodrome.)

Snowball is a race where points are given each lap with each lap being worth more points than the lap before. Example:
Lap 1: 1st=1 point
Lap 2: 1st=2 points, 2nd=1 point
....
Lap 10: 1st = 10 points, 2nd=9 points, 3rd=8 points, etc.
Winner is one with most points after specified laps.

Other common events:

Keiren: A race where all riders remain in a motor-paced draft-line until about 2 laps to go, then pacer leaves track and sprinters battle it out. (Motor-pacer slowly accelerates so they go faster and faster.)

Miss and Out: Each lap, last rider is eliminated, with a final sprint lap when there are just a few left.

Danish (sometimes called Win and Out): Winner of first lap wins, Winner of second lap takes second place, etc. (If you go for first and and don't win, you are too exhausted to take second...)

There are several more... Each race format has different strategies and adds much interest to track cycling events.... Official races here in Kenosha every Tuesday evening of the season. I spent a couple hours at the track earlier this evening.

Wilson

Thanks so much for educating us. I had no clue about those events.

[Jim Franklin]

Chuck, the term is French and is spelled f o r t e. Ask any music person.

[Ryan Scott]

Chuck, the term is French and is spelled f o r t e. Ask any music person.


I thought it was intentional and made for a clever joke. Maybe I'm giving Chuck too much credit.

[Jim Poteet]

I thought it was intentional and made for a clever joke. Maybe I'm giving Chuck too much credit.

Is it possible to give Chuck too much credit?

[Ryan Scott]

So I learned that there could be an interesting phenomena occurring tonight in Major League Baseball.

Last night (7/25) Alex Rodriguez hit his 499th career home run, however, depending on the events of this evening's game, last night's home run may actually be his 500th. How can a future event affect the past in this way?

[Jim Poteet]

So I learned that there could be an interesting phenomena occurring tonight in Major League Baseball.

Last night (7/25) Alex Rodriguez hit his 499th career home run, however, depending on the events of this evening's game, last night's home run may actually be his 500th. How can a future event affect the past in this way?

The Yankees have the remainder of a suspended game from June to play. If Alex Rodriguez were to hit a home run in the remainder of the suspended game, it becomes home run #493 and it pushes the home runs after that date forward so that last night's home run against the Royals becomes #500.

[Ryan Scott]

Good job. I see you read the same article I did this morning. Also interesting, although it won't be officially 500, if Alex Rodriguez hits his chronological 500th home run of tonight's starter Nelson de la Rosa, it will be the same pitcher who yielded his 400th home run.

[Chuck Millhuff]

The Yankees have the remainder of a suspended game from June to play. If Alex Rodriguez were to hit a home run in the remainder of the suspended game, it becomes home run #493 and it pushes the home runs after that date forward so that last night's home run against the Royals becomes #500.Jim: This is not a joke. What is the offense known in meny areas as the VOMIT OFFENSE.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Jim: This is not a joke. What is the offense known in meny areas as the VOMIT OFFENSE.Jim: Who was the well known Chicago "Street Ball" player called Marley Chilhuff and what NBA team did he play for?

[Chuck Millhuff]

Jim: Who was the well known Chicago "Street Ball" player called Marley Chilhuff and what NBA team did he play for? Jim: What college did Pat Summer (sp?) play for and how good was she?

[Jim Poteet]

Jim: This is not a joke. What is the offense known in meny areas as the VOMIT OFFENSE.

Chuck,

I knew a college basketball coach at a small college in California about 30 years ago who said he ran the "vomit" offense. When he was asked what the "vomit" offense was, he said, "The players throw up every shot in sight."

[Jim Poteet]

Jim: Who was the well known Chicago "Street Ball" player called Marley Chilhuff and what NBA team did he play for?

I think you got his name mixed up. I think his name was Charley Milhuff. He was a street ball player on a basketball rim nailed to a Chicago El support pole. He didn't play in the NBA; He paid to get in to the early day Chicago Packers and Bulls games.

[Jim Poteet]

Jim: What college did Pat Summer (sp?) play for and how good was she?

I think you mean Pat Summit. She did not play at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Instead, she played at University of Tennessee-Martin. She was an All-American and an US Olympic star. She has been coaching at UT-Knoxville since 1974. She has won over 900 games and is the premier basketball coach in women's college basketball. Her maiden name was Head. Is there anything else you would like to know?

[Ryan Scott]

Sad news this evening as Wake Forrest Men's basketball coach Skip Prosser was found dead in his office, an apparent heart attack after an afternoon jog.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Very funny Dr. Jim. I was trying to make a dream come true in fantasy. You could have helped a little. If you think making a reverse layup with a train going over your head you don''t know nothin'. Well in West Texas you were in a barn yard watching your step. A good sermon preached in a hot tent to 1,000 people is harder than going up against Larry Bird. Do you agree?

[Chuck Millhuff]

I think you mean Pat Summit. She did not play at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Instead, she played at University of Tennessee-Martin. She was an All-American and an US Olympic star. She has been coaching at UT-Knoxville since 1974. She has won over 900 games and is the premier basketball coach in women's college basketball. Her maiden name was Head. Is there anything else you would like to know?Yes, what size shoes does she wear?

[Chuck Millhuff]

Yes, what size shoes does she wear?Could coach Pat coach an NBA team and has she ever been asked? What makes her coaching so good?

[Chuck Millhuff]

Could coach Pat coach an NBA team and has she ever been asked? What makes her coaching so good?Which coach in College Basketball cusses the most? Clue - It's not Bobby Knght.

[Ryan Scott]

Which coach in College Basketball cusses the most? Clue - It's not Bobby Knght.

Probably Billy Donovan or Rick Pitino.

[Chuck Millhuff]

I think you mean Pat Summit. She did not play at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Instead, she played at University of Tennessee-Martin. She was an All-American and an US Olympic star. She has been coaching at UT-Knoxville since 1974. She has won over 900 games and is the premier basketball coach in women's college basketball. Her maiden name was Head. Is there anything else you would like to know?What is the woman's professional full contact football league called and what is the OKC team called?

[Jim Poteet]

Very funny Dr. Jim. I was trying to make a dream come true in fantasy. You could have helped a little. If you think making a reverse layup with a train going over your head you don''t know nothin'. Well in West Texas you were in a barn yard watching your step. A good sermon preached in a hot tent to 1,000 people is harder than going up against Larry Bird. Do you agree?

I've never preached a sermon in a hot tent, but I'm sure it would be easier for you than 1-on-1 against Larry Bird.

[Jim Poteet]

Yes, what size shoes does she wear?

I'm stumped.

[Jim Poteet]

What is the woman's professional full contact football league called and what is the OKC team called?

It is called the National Women's Football Association. The Oklahoma City team is called the "Lightning."

[Jim Poteet]

Could coach Pat coach an NBA team and has she ever been asked? What makes her coaching so good?

I don't know. She is a great communicator and teacher.

[Jim Poteet]

Which coach in College Basketball cusses the most? Clue - It's not Bobby Knght.

Rumor has it that it's a tossup between Coach "K" of Duke and Kelvin Sampson of Indiana.

[Jim Franklin]

How about mentioning some of the more unique sports team names? My high school team was the Chelan, WA Mountain Goats and for some purely unknown reason whenever I return for a high school reunion which more formerly is called "The Gathering of the Old Goats" I am elected the one that looks most like an old goat more than any of my other classmates.

[Jim Franklin]

Jim, perhaps you might name a few of the outstanding sports personalities with which you have had personal contact.

I sold some clothing to Coach Houston Nutt here in Boise the afternoon before the night flight he made to Arkansas from Boise to interview for his current position.

[Jim Poteet]

How about mentioning some of the more unique sports team names? My high school team was the Chelan, WA Mountain Goats and for some purely unknown reason whenever I return for a high school reunion which more formerly is called "The Gathering of the Old Goats" I am elected the one that looks most like an old goat more than any of my other classmates.

Dear Old Goat,

There is a town in Texas named Winters. The nickname is "Blizzards."

University of California (Santa Cruz); nickname "Banana Slugs"

University of California (Irvine); nickname "Anteaters"

San Saba High School (Texas) nickname "Armadillos"

Ohio Wesleyan University "Battling Bishops"

Coastal Carolina University "Chanticleers"

Treasure Valley College (Oregon) "Chukars"

Bray-Doyle High School (Oklahoma) "Donkeys"

Delta State University (Mississippi) "Fighting Okra"

Goodrich High School (Michigan) "Martians"

Freeport High School (Illinois) "Pretzels"

West Plains High School (Missouri) "Zizzers"

Last but not least---Maryville High School (Missouri) "Spoofhounds"

[Jim Poteet]

Jim, perhaps you might name a few of the outstanding sports personalities with which you have had personal contact.

I sold some clothing to Coach Houston Nutt here in Boise the afternoon before the night flight he made to Arkansas from Boise to interview for his current position.

Houston Nutt is now the coach of the University of Arkansas Razorbacks.

One of the sports personalities that I was privileged to spend some time with was John Wooden. In my opinion, he is the greatest coach in the history of college basketball as he won 10 national championships in the last 12 years he coached. Because of my playing days at Pasadena College and my early coaching days in Southern California, I was able to watch many practices and most games because they were tape delayed on television at 11:30 each evening. Coach was an English teacher in high school and was a gentleman, but highly competitive. His favorite saying to his teams was, "Be quick, but don't hurry." Coach Wooden is now 96 and has now writeen several books which are a delight to read.

I did some consulting for a sporting goods comapany in the Dallas area. the company had Dave Winfield under contract to endorse their baseball products. Dave and I spent 4 days together in Orlando at the company booth at the National High School Federation Convention. He was then playing for the Yankees. As we ate in a restaurant each evening, I was amazed that people would not leave him alone so we could enjoy our meal. It was a zoo. However, I have an authentic Dave Winfield autograph on a baseball that is tucked away for the future.

[Chuck Millhuff]

I'm stumped.
Jim do referees ever make makeup calls? Anyone who has watched even a few on any sport has seen it. Now I know you will become a fundamentalist and cry for the integrity of the game whatever it is. This is the view of a true fundamentalist that belongs back at the start of the last century when sinless perfection was possible by some like refs or umpires. Do you really think that this does not happen often? You claim you seldom if ever saw it as a coach. Jim take off your sunglasses off during the game. Do they (officials) feel bad when they blow a call? Of course they do but if given the chance to correct it on another call do they......of course MOST OF THEM DO.
Refs are by enlarged not sanctified. Do you think they are holy and have no possibility of sin or the ability to soil the game? What does it hurt if it really does not really affect the outcome but cools a coach and players thus keeping peace in the valley? I see it in every sport. Even ping pong. I lost an unfair pong and he took a ping from my opponent a bit later on a line call. I understand because it is the human element in the game. The human element includes the carnal nature in most officials and if you don't believe that you need to move over to the Theology thread. Deal with it oh fundamental sports purist. Pray for your officials from T Ball to the World Series. It's reality.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Jim do referees ever make makeup calls? Anyone who has watched even a few on any sport has seen it. Now I know you will become a fundamentalist and cry for the integrity of the game whatever it is. This is the view of a true fundamentalist that belongs back at the start of the last century when sinless perfection was possible by some like refs or umpires. Do you really think that this does not happen often? You claim you seldom if ever saw it as a coach. Jim take off your sunglasses off during the game. Do they (officials) feel bad when they blow a call? Of course they do but if given the chance to correct it on another call do they......of course MOST OF THEM DO.
Refs are by enlarged not sanctified. Do you think they are holy and have no possibility of sin or the ability to soil the game? What does it hurt if it really does not really affect the outcome but cools a coach and players thus keeping peace in the valley? I see it in every sport. Even ping pong. I lost an unfair pong and he took a ping from my opponent a bit later on a line call. I understand because it is the human element in the game. The human element includes the carnal nature in most officials and if you don't believe that you need to move over to the Theology thread. Deal with it oh fundamental sports purist. Pray for your officials from T Ball to the World Series. It's reality.Jim: What girl was the first to play on a highschool football team in America?

[Jim Poteet]

Jim do referees ever make makeup calls? Anyone who has watched even a few on any sport has seen it. Now I know you will become a fundamentalist and cry for the integrity of the game whatever it is. This is the view of a true fundamentalist that belongs back at the start of the last century when sinless perfection was possible by some like refs or umpires. Do you really think that this does not happen often? You claim you seldom if ever saw it as a coach. Jim take off your sunglasses off during the game. Do they (officials) feel bad when they blow a call? Of course they do but if given the chance to correct it on another call do they......of course MOST OF THEM DO.
Refs are by enlarged not sanctified. Do you think they are holy and have no possibility of sin or the ability to soil the game? What does it hurt if it really does not really affect the outcome but cools a coach and players thus keeping peace in the valley? I see it in every sport. Even ping pong. I lost an unfair pong and he took a ping from my opponent a bit later on a line call. I understand because it is the human element in the game. The human element includes the carnal nature in most officials and if you don't believe that you need to move over to the Theology thread. Deal with it oh fundamental sports purist. Pray for your officials from T Ball to the World Series. It's reality.

Chuck,

You have strayed about as far into left field as you can. I need to understand what you are asking. I think you want to know if refrees or umpires make makeup calls after making a human error and blowing a call such as the umpire did in the 1985 World Series. My answer is NO. The reason I say no is that the official is responsible for the integrity of the game. If an official trys to "makeup" a call, because in his humaness he blew one earlier, he is guilty of "fixing a game" and the game has no integrity. In over 30 years of coaching, I have seen many bad calls, both for and against my teams, however I have never seen an official do a "makeup" call. If it comes to the point that "makeups" are the practice in officiating, I will walk away and not watch or participate anymore, because all integrity in the game is gone.

[Jim Poteet]

Jim: What girl was the first to play on a highschool football team in America?

I don't know, but I would guess sometime in the 30's or 40's.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Chuck,

You have strayed about as far into left field as you can. I need to understand what you are asking. I think you want to know if refrees or umpires make makeup calls after making a human error and blowing a call such as the umpire did in the 1985 World Series. My answer is NO. The reason I say no is that the official is responsible for the integrity of the game. If an official trys to "makeup" a call, because in his humaness he blew one earlier, he is guilty of "fixing a game" and the game has no integrity. In over 30 years of coaching, I have seen many bad calls, both for and against my teams, however I have never seen an official do a "makeup" call. If it comes to the point that "makeups" are the practice in officiating, I will walk away and not watch or participate anymore, because all integrity in the game is gone.Jim it is the very humanness and desire to be FAIR that lets this occur. The officials do not have a rule book on makeup calls. It is not something they want or even like. But to see the look on a players face and hear the sermon form the coach as he or she runs by only deepens the need within their subconscious to correct the mistake. You don't understand basic physiology or even theology or refology. It is not the kind of thing an official would talk openly about but I bet you a lot of plug nichols that they discuss it. I have heard any number of play by play and color commentators mention this. Are they all immoral stupid left field people? Why even the one eyed guy Vital (sp?) mentions it from time to time and then gets into this discussion and his days at Marquette. Jim live in your dream world were there is always integrity. Ain't so baby. Sure that is the ideal that I would want after all I'm, a fundamentalist evangelist. So baby sure that is the ideal that I would want after all I'm, a fundamentalist evangelist. I weep when I see it but I do see it and so do you. Admit it. You'll feel better about yourself if not the game.

[Jim Poteet]

Jim it is the very humanness and desire to be FAIR that lets this occur. The officials do not have a rule book on makeup calls. It is not something they want or even like. But to see the look on a players face and hear the sermon form the coach as he or she runs by only deepens the need within their subconscious to correct the mistake. You don't understand basic physiology or even theology or refology. It is not the kind of thing an official would talk openly about but I bet you a lot of plug nichols that they discuss it. I have heard any number of play by play and color commentators mention this. Are they all immoral stupid left field people? Why even the one eyed guy Vital (sp?) mentions it from time to time and then gets into this discussion and his days at Marquette. Jim live in your dream world were there is always integrity. Ain't so baby. Sure that is the ideal that I would want after all I'm, a fundamentalist evangelist. So baby sure that is the ideal that I would want after all I'm, a fundamentalist evangelist. I weep when I see it but I do see it and so do you. Admit it. You'll feel better about yourself if not the game.

Chuck,

There is no way that I can believe that an official uses a "makeup" call because he feels bad or sorry for the other when he makes a bad call in the speed and intensity of the game. I believe in integrity more than that. Integrity is the major point of emphasis in all official's training classes. The mistakes by a human official will happen, but to think that the official compensates and makes a bad call on purpose is more than I can bear.

[Jim Franklin]

Back to unique team names: a review of the minor league baseball farm teams reveals:

Louisville Bats
Norfolk Tides
Toledo Mud Hens everyone's all time favorite
Albuquerque Isotopes
Nashville Sounds
Salt Lake Stingers
Tucson Sidewinders
Altoona Curve
New Britain Rock Cats
New Hampshire Fisher Cats
Trenton Thunder
Chattenooga Lookouts
Montgomery Biscuits
West Tennessee Diamond Jaxx
Corpus Christi Hooks
Modesto Nuts
Lansing Lugnuts
Jupiter Hammerheads
West Michigan Whitecaps but if you can have White and Red Sox, I guess White Caps are ok.
Ashville Tourists
Greensboro Grasshoppers
Hickory Crawdads
Kannapolis Intimidators
Savannah Sand Gnats
Lakewood Blue Claws
Aberdeen Iron Birds
Auburn Doubledays
Vermont Lake Monsters
Williamsport Crosscutters
Orem Owlz
Swing of the Quad Cities

[Jim Poteet]

Back to unique team names: a review of the minor league baseball farm teams reveals:

Louisville Bats
Norfolk Tides
Toledo Mud Hens everyone's all time favorite
Albuquerque Isotopes
Nashville Sounds
Salt Lake Stingers
Tucson Sidewinders
Altoona Curve
New Britain Rock Cats
New Hampshire Fisher Cats
Trenton Thunder
Chattenooga Lookouts
Montgomery Biscuits
West Tennessee Diamond Jaxx
Corpus Christi Hooks
Modesto Nuts
Lansing Lugnuts
Jupiter Hammerheads
West Michigan Whitecaps but if you can have White and Red Sox, I guess White Caps are ok.
Ashville Tourists
Greensboro Grasshoppers
Hickory Crawdads
Kannapolis Intimidators
Savannah Sand Gnats
Lakewood Blue Claws
Aberdeen Iron Birds
Auburn Doubledays
Vermont Lake Monsters
Williamsport Crosscutters
Orem Owlz
Swing of the Quad Cities

and the Macon "Whoopees"

[Jim Franklin]

I did not see them listed in the list of Minor League teams or I would have included them or are you making this up?

[Chuck Millhuff]

I did not see them listed in the list of Minor League teams or I would have included them or are you making this up?Okay Jim let's give it up. Now a question. Why do colleges use aluminum bats? Can a college batter use a wooden one at all?

[Jim Poteet]

I did not see them listed in the list of Minor League teams or I would have included them or are you making this up?

No, it is true

[Jim Poteet]

Okay Jim let's give it up. Now a question. Why do colleges use aluminum bats? Can a college batter use a wooden one at all?

Colleges can use wooden bats if they want too. Several states (I believe South Dakota is one) have outlawed the use of aluminum bats. The high schools in those states must use wooden bats. The reasoning behind the law is the safety factor. The ball comes off the aluminum bat with too much speed.

So you gave up on the argument about officials and integrity. I knew I would win!:p

[Chuck Millhuff]

Colleges can use wooden bats if they want too. Several states (I believe South Dakota is one) have outlawed the use of aluminum bats. The high schools in those states must use wooden bats. The reasoning behind the law is the safety factor. The ball comes off the aluminum bat with too much speed.

So you gave up on the argument about officials and integrity. I knew I would win!:pI did not give up I let a hard hard hard head go !!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[Chuck Millhuff]

Colleges can use wooden bats if they want too. Several states (I believe South Dakota is one) have outlawed the use of aluminum bats. The high schools in those states must use wooden bats. The reasoning behind the law is the safety factor. The ball comes off the aluminum bat with too much speed.

So you gave up on the argument about officials and integrity. I knew I would win!:pDid they damage the integrity of the game when they widened the lane and put in the three point line? In your oppinion what will the next big change be in the rules that are dripping with integrety? I don't mean just moving the three point line back a bit. A square ball?

[Jim Poteet]

Did they damage the integrity of the game when they widened the lane and put in the three point line? In your oppinion what will the next big change be in the rules that are dripping with integrety? I don't mean just moving the three point line back a bit. A square ball?

The widening of the lane was a rule change to keep big men from camping under the basket and goal tending. It had nothing to do with the integrity of the game. The 3-point was legalized to supposedly to open the game up. In my opinion, the 3-point rule has hurt the skill of shooting because hardly any players today can make the 12-17 foot jump shot. No, I don't think we will use a square ball. I would like to the see the US high schools and colleges adopt the international (FIBA) rules so that the game of basketball is played the same way all over the world.

[Chuck Millhuff]

The widening of the lane was a rule change to keep big men from camping under the basket and goal tending. It had nothing to do with the integrity of the game. The 3-point was legalized to supposedly to open the game up. In my opinion, the 3-point rule has hurt the skill of shooting because hardly any players today can make the 12-17 foot jump shot. No, I don't think we will use a square ball. I would like to the see the US high schools and colleges adopt the international (FIBA) rules so that the game of basketball is played the same way all over the world.When was the shot clock put in? Of course it was to make a faster game. But what about the strategy of the low scoring games of old? Boaring, maybe. I liked those 9 to 4 games that were defence defence defence. What is the most famous pre shot clock game you know about?

[Ryan Scott]

I love the Sand Gnats; my favorite nickname and logo.

[Jim Poteet]

When was the shot clock put in? Of course it was to make a faster game. But what about the strategy of the low scoring games of old? Boaring, maybe. I liked those 9 to 4 games that were defence defence defence. What is the most famous pre shot clock game you know about?

The NBA shot clock (24 seconds) was mandated for the 1954-55 season. The father of the shot clock was the Syracuse Nats owner, Danny Biasone, who was tired of watching slow down games. The worst was a game between the Fort Wayne (Detroit) Pistons and the Minneapolis (Los Angeles) Lakers in 1950. The Pistons won 19-18.

The college shot clock for men's basketball begain in 1985 and was 45 seconds until 1993 when it was changed to 35 seconds. There have been many low scoring games prior to the shot clock, however the lowest scoring game in NCAA Division I since the shot clock was mandated happened about 3 years ago when Monmouth beat Princeton 42-21.

[Chuck Millhuff]

When was the shot clock put in? Of course it was to make a faster game. But what about the strategy of the low scoring games of old? Boaring, maybe. I liked those 9 to 4 games that were defence defence defence. What is the most famous pre shot clock game you know about?Jim the words 3point are a hot link to a Bible source. What gives?

[Chuck Millhuff]

Jim the words 3point are a hot link to a Bible source. What gives?Jim: Who had the first 100 point basketball game and when was it and against what two teams? Pre 3 point and post 3 point?

[Jim Poteet]

Jim the words 3point are a hot link to a Bible source. What gives?

That must be an evangelist's 3-points in his sermon. :fun07

[Jim Poteet]

Jim: Who had the first 100 point basketball game and when was it and against what two teams? Pre 3 point and post 3 point?

Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points for the Philadelphia Warriors against the New York Knicks in 1962 at Hershey, Pennsylvania. It was a regular season game and was way before the 3 point rule.

Bevo Francis of Rio Grande College in 1953 scored 116 points against Ashland Junior College. In February, 1954, Bevo scored 113 points against Hiillsdale College. 11 days later, Frank Selvy of Furman University scored 100 points against Newberry College. These totals came many years before the 3-point rule.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points for the Philadelphia Warriors against the New York Knicks in 1962 at Hershey, Pennsylvania. It was a regular season game and was way before the 3 point rule.

Bevo Francis of Rio Grande College in 1953 scored 116 points against Ashland Junior College. In February, 1954, Bevo scored 113 points against Hiillsdale College. 11 days later, Frank Selvy of Furman University scored 100 points against Newberry College. These totals came many years before the 3-point rule.Jim: Now this Bevo Francis is out of the blue to me. Sorry for my ignorance. Was he really that good and if so why is he so unknown or is it me that is unknown? Why was he not at a more famous school? Did he play for the pros? Bevo is the name of the Texas Longhorns mascot. Any connection.:fav18

[Jim Poteet]

Jim: Now this Bevo Francis is out of the blue to me. Sorry for my ignorance. Was he really that good and if so why is he so unknown or is it me that is unknown? Why was he not at a more famous school? Did he play for the pros? Bevo is the name of the Texas Longhorns mascot. Any connection.:fav18

Bevo Francis has no connection to the Texas Longhorn mascot and Rio Grande College is in Ohio and not Texas.

Bevo Francis became a basketball legend in the 1952-53 and 1953-54 seasons for a small Ohio college, Rio Grande. The school had less than 100 students and was about to close from financial problems. The President of Rio Grande hired a high school basketball coach named Newt Oliver and he brought his high school star, Clarence "Bevo" Francis to help save the College. In the 1952-53 season, the team played 39 games and was undefeated. Bevo scored 116 points against Ashland (KY) Junior College and many of the other games were against Bible Colleges and Army bases. Bevo averaged 50.1 points per game, but the NCAA refused to validate most of his records for that season. In 1953-54, Newt Oliver scheduled all of Rio Grande's games on the road and played many NCAA Division I universities such as Wake Forest, North Carolina State, Miami, California, Adephi, Providence, Creighton and Villanova. Against Hillsdale College (MI), Bevo scored 113 points on February 2, 1954. This is still the collegiate record today. Bevo average 48 points per game that season. Bevo was a great player. He would been a star for any team. Bevo only played 2 years at Rio Grande. Because of his nationwide fame, he missed many classes and tests and was kicked out of school near the end of his sophmore year. He signed to play with the Harlem Globetrotters in April 1954 for $12,000 per year and played several to support his family. He had married his high school sweetheart in his last year of high school basketball and had children while playing at Rio Grande. His fame helped save the college financially and the school is still open today.

Bevo was called "one of the greatest shooter to ever play the game" by Marty Blake, director of scouting for the NBA.

I saw Bevo 3 years ago at the NAIA Tournament in Kansas City when he was honored at the 50th anniversary of his scoring feats. He stated then that "if I had played with the 3-point shot, I would have 135 points in a game and probably 65 points for a season.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Bevo Francis has no connection to the Texas Longhorn mascot and Rio Grande College is in Ohio and not Texas.

Bevo Francis became a basketball legend in the 1952-53 and 1953-54 seasons for a small Ohio college, Rio Grande. The school had less than 100 students and was about to close from financial problems. The President of Rio Grande hired a high school basketball coach named Newt Oliver and he brought his high school star, Clarence "Bevo" Francis to help save the College. In the 1952-53 season, the team played 39 games and was undefeated. Bevo scored 116 points against Ashland (KY) Junior College and many of the other games were against Bible Colleges and Army bases. Bevo averaged 50.1 points per game, but the NCAA refused to validate most of his records for that season. In 1953-54, Newt Oliver scheduled all of Rio Grande's games on the road and played many NCAA Division I universities such as Wake Forest, North Carolina State, Miami, California, Adephi, Providence, Creighton and Villanova. Against Hillsdale College (MI), Bevo scored 113 points on February 2, 1954. This is still the collegiate record today. Bevo average 48 points per game that season. Bevo was a great player. He would been a star for any team. Bevo only played 2 years at Rio Grande. Because of his nationwide fame, he missed many classes and tests and was kicked out of school near the end of his sophmore year. He signed to play with the Harlem Globetrotters in April 1954 for $12,000 per year and played several to support his family. He had married his high school sweetheart in his last year of high school basketball and had children while playing at Rio Grande. His fame helped save the college financially and the school is still open today.

Bevo was called "one of the greatest shooter to ever play the game" by Marty Blake, director of scouting for the NBA.

I saw Bevo 3 years ago at the NAIA Tournament in Kansas City when he was honored at the 50th anniversary of his scoring feats. He stated then that "if I had played with the 3-point shot, I would have 135 points in a game and probably 65 points for a season.Jim: How many pro teams have names that relate to the proud American heritage of The American Indian? Who are they and have any of them folded to the preasure of that ACLU and the Communists and changed their names?

[Gina Stevenson]

Back a few posts the White Caps were compared to the Red/White Sox.

Being from Michigan, we'd like to help y'all out. ;) These particular White Caps haven't to do with what they wear on their heads, but it's all about that airy foam seen on the top of the waves when the big lake(s) get(s) really going.

If one sees their logo, that is evident. Here 'tis:

12236


Also, here's their website, too. Watch the "promotions" section change every few seconds [on the lefthand side]. Funny one they have tonight is "mustache night." Apparently if you've grown one, it's your ticket into the ballgame ... or at least for a discount, such as the bulletin from church Sunday is on any Monday home games. ;)

http://www.whitecaps-baseball.com/

[Ryan Scott]

The NBA shot clock (24 seconds) was mandated for the 1954-55 season. The father of the shot clock was the Syracuse Nats owner, Danny Biasone, who was tired of watching slow down games. The worst was a game between the Fort Wayne (Detroit) Pistons and the Minneapolis (Los Angeles) Lakers in 1950. The Pistons won 19-18.


We played intramurals without a shot clock and my senior year our team employed the Syracuse 2-3 zone in an attempt to lock down our more talented opponents. The half-time score was 13-6. Things opened up a little more in the second half.

[Nate Swartzlander]

Let's go football fans, we have 5 teams right now.

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1


league ID# 209489
password: naznet


12 team max

draft will be when league is full

[Jim Franklin]

I am well aware that Whitecaps in that area undoubtedly meant the top of breaking waves but I just decided to make a play on words to see if anyone would catch it.

I remember the name Bevo Francis well from the era in which he played. My dad would have called him a "Dead Eye"for being such an accurate shooter. His name and exploits were all over the sports pages of the time.

[Jim Poteet]

Back a few posts the White Caps were compared to the Red/White Sox.

Being from Michigan, we'd like to help y'all out. ;) These particular White Caps haven't to do with what they wear on their heads, but it's all about that airy foam seen on the top of the waves when the big lake(s) get(s) really going.

If one sees their logo, that is evident. Here 'tis:

12236


Also, here's their website, too. Watch the "promotions" section change every few seconds [on the lefthand side]. Funny one they have tonight is "mustache night." Apparently if you've grown one, it's your ticket into the ballgame ... or at least for a discount, such as the bulletin from church Sunday is on any Monday home games. ;)

http://www.whitecaps-baseball.com/

Thanks for educating us!

[Jim Poteet]

We played intramurals without a shot clock and my senior year our team employed the Syracuse 2-3 zone in an attempt to lock down our more talented opponents. The half-time score was 13-6. Things opened up a little more in the second half.

You must have have run that Syracuse 2-3 zone pretty well or everyone had a little trouble shooting.

[Jim Poteet]

I am well aware that Whitecaps in that area undoubtedly meant the top of breaking waves but I just decided to make a play on words to see if anyone would catch it.

I remember the name Bevo Francis well from the era in which he played. My dad would have called him a "Dead Eye"for being such an accurate shooter. His name and exploits were all over the sports pages of the time.

Bevo was a great, great player. He only played two years of college basketball. Had he played all four years, he would hold all the college basketball scoring records. I watched some film clips of him playing in Madison Square Garden last night and his shooting touch was amazing. There is a book about him written in 2005. I ordered it from Amazon last night. The books title: Shooting Star: The Bevo Francis Story. I look forward to learning more about him. He was definitely a basketball "legend" of the '50s.

[Jim Poteet]

Here is new question for all of you.

Most people remember the NCAA "death penalty" (no games allowed during that season) that was given to the Southern Methodist University football program for the 1987 season. The SMU program has never recovered from that penalty. What famous NCAA university basketball program was given the "death penalty" over 50 years ago? The program hardly suffered at all and was back in the NCAA basketball tournament within two years. Name the University and the year of the "death penalty."

[Jim Franklin]

Kentucky basketball for point shaving in the NIT when players accepted bribes and instead of winning by the 10 point projection they lost but were back in the NCAA Tournament two years later. Early 50s.

Southern Methodist University football was extended the death penalty when while on probation some of their players received payments of so much per month. Season wiped out, following season could only play away games and it is suspected that the lost revenue led to the dissolution of the Southwest Conference.

I looked it because I do remember the scandals but had not recalled the term "death penalty."

[Jim Poteet]

Kentucky basketball for point shaving in the NIT when players accepted bribes and instead of winning by the 10 point projection they lost but were back in the NCAA Tournament two years later. Early 50s.

Southern Methodist University football was extended the death penalty when while on probation some of their players received payments of so much per month. Season wiped out, following season could only play away games and it is suspected that the lost revenue led to the dissolution of the Southwest Conference.

I looked it because I do remember the scandals but had not recalled the term "death penalty."

Very good Dr. Franklin. The SMU "death penalty" did not lead to the dissolution of the Southwest Conference. The fact that all the schools in the conference were in Texas did not allow for enough population to secure a high dollar TV contract. The lack of money and the fact that most of the schools could not compete with the University of Texas and Texas A&M led to the conference's demise.

Kentucky was not allowed to play any games during the 1952-53 season. As you said, the "death penalty" came because three Kentucky player were involved in the 1951 "point shaving" scandal which almost destroyed big time college basketball.

I guess I need to come up with harder questions.:fun03

[Gina Stevenson]

I am well aware that Whitecaps in that area undoubtedly meant the top of breaking waves but I just decided to make a play on words to see if anyone would catch it.

Oooooooh, I see, Mr. Jim. A smart one, eh? ;)

May not have been anyone else I "educated," either, but just in case ........... ;)

[Mike Wooldridge]

This isn't a question, but a report.
Walsh dead at 75
NFL coaching legend dies after battle with leukemia
Posted: Monday July 30, 2007 3:19PM; Updated: Monday July 30, 2007 9:36PM
Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh won six division titles and three Super Bowls during his 10-year career in San Francisco.
John Burgess/SI
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Bill Walsh changed the look of the NFL with his offensive innovations and legion of coaching disciples, breaking new ground and winning three Super Bowls with the San Francisco 49ers in the process.
Nicknamed "The Genius" for his creative schemes that became known as the West Coast offense, Walsh died at his Woodside home Monday morning following a long battle with leukemia. He was 75.
"This is just a tremendous loss for all of us, especially to the Bay Area because of what he meant to the 49ers," said the 49ers' Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana. "Outside of my dad he was probably the most influential person in my life. I am going to miss him."
Walsh didn't become an NFL head coach until 47, and he spent just 10 seasons on the San Francisco sideline. But he left an indelible mark on the nation's most popular sport, building the once-woebegone 49ers into the most successful team of the 1980s with his innovative offensive strategies.
The soft-spoken native Californian also produced an army of coaching disciples that's still growing today. Many of his former assistants went on to lead their own teams, handing down Walsh's methods and schemes to dozens more coaches in a tree with innumerable branches.
"The essence of Bill Walsh was that he was an extraordinary teacher," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said. "If you gave him a blackboard and a piece of chalk, he would become a whirlwind of wisdom."
Walsh went 102-63-1 with the 49ers, winning 10 of his 14 postseason games along with six division titles. He was named the NFL's coach of the year in 1981 and 1984.
Few men did more to shape the look of football into the 21st century. His cerebral nature and often-brilliant stratagems earned him his nickname well before his election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993.
He visited with friends until the end. Tyrone Willingham, the former Stanford coach now at Washington, and Stanford donor and alumnus John Arrillaga went to see Walsh on Sunday, presenting him with the Stagg Award for his outstanding service to football.
Raiders owner Al Davis and Hall of Famer John Madden stopped by Saturday, and Montana on Friday. Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young was headed to see Walsh on Monday when he received the sad news instead.
"He knew me well before I knew myself and knew what I could accomplish well before I knew that I could accomplish it," Young said. "That's a coach. That's the ultimate talent anyone could have. I said in my Hall of Fame speech that he was the most important person in football in the last 25 years, and I don't think there's any debate about that."
Walsh twice served as the 49ers' general manager, and George Seifert led San Francisco to two more Super Bowl titles after Walsh left the sideline. Walsh also coached Stanford during two terms over five seasons.
Even a short list of Walsh's adherents is stunning. Seifert, Mike Holmgren, Dennis Green, Sam Wyche, Ray Rhodes and Bruce Coslet all became NFL head coaches after serving on Walsh's San Francisco staffs, and Tony Dungy played for him. Most of his former assistants passed on Walsh's structures and strategies to a new generation of coaches, including Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Brian Billick, Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Gary Kubiak, Steve Mariucci and Jeff Fisher.

[Jim Poteet]

Time for another question---

There are at least 8 ways a batter can reach first base in baseball. Can you list all 8?

[Jim Poteet]

This isn't a question, but a report.
Walsh dead at 75
NFL coaching legend dies after battle with leukemia
Posted: Monday July 30, 2007 3:19PM; Updated: Monday July 30, 2007 9:36PM
Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh won six division titles and three Super Bowls during his 10-year career in San Francisco.
John Burgess/SI
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Bill Walsh changed the look of the NFL with his offensive innovations and legion of coaching disciples, breaking new ground and winning three Super Bowls with the San Francisco 49ers in the process.
Nicknamed "The Genius" for his creative schemes that became known as the West Coast offense, Walsh died at his Woodside home Monday morning following a long battle with leukemia. He was 75.
"This is just a tremendous loss for all of us, especially to the Bay Area because of what he meant to the 49ers," said the 49ers' Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana. "Outside of my dad he was probably the most influential person in my life. I am going to miss him."
Walsh didn't become an NFL head coach until 47, and he spent just 10 seasons on the San Francisco sideline. But he left an indelible mark on the nation's most popular sport, building the once-woebegone 49ers into the most successful team of the 1980s with his innovative offensive strategies.
The soft-spoken native Californian also produced an army of coaching disciples that's still growing today. Many of his former assistants went on to lead their own teams, handing down Walsh's methods and schemes to dozens more coaches in a tree with innumerable branches.
"The essence of Bill Walsh was that he was an extraordinary teacher," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said. "If you gave him a blackboard and a piece of chalk, he would become a whirlwind of wisdom."
Walsh went 102-63-1 with the 49ers, winning 10 of his 14 postseason games along with six division titles. He was named the NFL's coach of the year in 1981 and 1984.
Few men did more to shape the look of football into the 21st century. His cerebral nature and often-brilliant stratagems earned him his nickname well before his election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993.
He visited with friends until the end. Tyrone Willingham, the former Stanford coach now at Washington, and Stanford donor and alumnus John Arrillaga went to see Walsh on Sunday, presenting him with the Stagg Award for his outstanding service to football.
Raiders owner Al Davis and Hall of Famer John Madden stopped by Saturday, and Montana on Friday. Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young was headed to see Walsh on Monday when he received the sad news instead.
"He knew me well before I knew myself and knew what I could accomplish well before I knew that I could accomplish it," Young said. "That's a coach. That's the ultimate talent anyone could have. I said in my Hall of Fame speech that he was the most important person in football in the last 25 years, and I don't think there's any debate about that."
Walsh twice served as the 49ers' general manager, and George Seifert led San Francisco to two more Super Bowl titles after Walsh left the sideline. Walsh also coached Stanford during two terms over five seasons.
Even a short list of Walsh's adherents is stunning. Seifert, Mike Holmgren, Dennis Green, Sam Wyche, Ray Rhodes and Bruce Coslet all became NFL head coaches after serving on Walsh's San Francisco staffs, and Tony Dungy played for him. Most of his former assistants passed on Walsh's structures and strategies to a new generation of coaches, including Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Brian Billick, Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Gary Kubiak, Steve Mariucci and Jeff Fisher.

Mike,


Thanks for the report. Bill Walsh was a great coach, but also a great mentor. He had many assistant coaches who went on to become head coaches in the NFL and college ranks.

[Mark Hubenka]

Who holds the ncaa football record in receiving yards for one game?

[Ryan Scott]

There are at least 8 ways a batter can reach first base in baseball. Can you list all 8?

Base hit
Walk
Hit by Pitch
Dropped Third Strike
Catcher Interference
Fielder's Choice
Reached on an error
Pinch-runner


That's eight. There's two more I can think of, but they might be considered duplicates of some of the above:

Swinging at a wild pitch for a third strike
Umpire interference


If Major League umpires ever called it, you can reach first if the pitcher fails to deliver the pitch within 20 seconds. Enforcing that rule would sure help the speed of the game that everyone is always complaining about.

[Ryan Scott]

Who holds the ncaa football record in receiving yards for one game?

This one's actually easy to remember. Troy Edwards, Louisiana Tech, had 405. The single game rushing record is LaDanian Tomlinson of TCU with 406.


Although there may be a larger number in the lower divisions; those are just for Division 1A football.

[Jim Poteet]

Base hit
Walk
Hit by Pitch
Dropped Third Strike
Catcher Interference
Fielder's Choice
Reached on an error
Pinch-runner


That's eight. There's two more I can think of, but they might be considered duplicates of some of the above:

Swinging at a wild pitch for a third strike
Umpire interference


If Major League umpires ever called it, you can reach first if the pitcher fails to deliver the pitch within 20 seconds. Enforcing that rule would sure help the speed of the game that everyone is always complaining about.

Your first seven are correct. However, a pinch-runner has not been a batter, so that is not correct. think hard--there is at least one more.

[Jim Poteet]

This one's actually easy to remember. Troy Edwards, Louisiana Tech, had 405. The single game rushing record is LaDanian Tomlinson of TCU with 406.


Although there may be a larger number in the lower divisions; those are just for Division 1A football.

Ryan,

You are sharp!

[Ryan Scott]

So I guess my three borderline reasons don't count?


Umpire interference (like a ball getting stuck in his equipment)
Swinging at a wild pitch for a third strike (admittedly, this one is weak)
Pitcher not delivering the ball within 20 seconds (never called)


I guess I'm missing this one, but I do know how a team can get a triple play without any fielder touching the ball. Anyone care to guess at that?

[Ryan Scott]

Your first seven are correct. However, a pinch-runner has not been a batter, so that is not correct. Think hard--there is at least one more.


I've decided to cheat and check websites. I still can't find anything more than the above reasons or my "extra" reasons, none of which satisfy me either.


Could it possibly be "obstruction?"

[Jim Poteet]

So I guess my three borderline reasons don't count?


Umpire interference (like a ball getting stuck in his equipment)
Swinging at a wild pitch for a third strike (admittedly, this one is weak)
Pitcher not delivering the ball within 20 seconds (never called)


I guess I'm missing this one, but I do know how a team can get a triple play without any fielder touching the ball. Anyone care to guess at that?

Ryan,

Good try. The eighth way a batter can reach first base is runner's interference. For example, a batter hits the ball and it hits a runner going from first base to second base before a fielder has a chance to field it. The runner is called out and the batter advances to first base and is given credit for a hit. Thanks for your good answers.

[Jim Poteet]

So I guess my three borderline reasons don't count?


Umpire interference (like a ball getting stuck in his equipment)
Swinging at a wild pitch for a third strike (admittedly, this one is weak)
Pitcher not delivering the ball within 20 seconds (never called)


I guess I'm missing this one, but I do know how a team can get a triple play without any fielder touching the ball. Anyone care to guess at that?

I would like to guess, but I am going to have to do some thinking.

[Ryan Scott]

Ryan,

Good try. The eighth way a batter can reach first base is runner's interference. For example, a batter hits the ball and it hits a runner going from first base to second base before a fielder has a chance to field it. The runner is called out and the batter advances to first base and is given credit for a hit. Thanks for your good answers.


See, every website I went to said this didn't count because the batter is credited with a hit, so it's the same as a base hit. Thoughts?

[Jim Franklin]

This situation happened in a game between NNC and Eastern Oregon at LaGrande. NNC is one run behind and advances a runner to third base with two outs. Coach Elmore Vail signals for the runner to steal home to tie the score but as the pitcher delivers a pitch to the NNC batter Eastern Oregon's catcher jumps over the play catches the pitch and tags the runner coming from third base. The umpire calls the runner out and game is over. This was the most upset that I ever saw Elmore Vail get in all the time I spent with the team.

IMO obviously the umpire is wrong for by jumping in front of the plate as a pitch is being thrown he is interferring with the batter's right to have a chance to at least swing or take the pitch. Am I right?

[Jim Poteet]

This situation happened in a game between NNC and Eastern Oregon at LaGrande. NNC is one run behind and advances a runner to third base with two outs. Coach Elmore Vail signals for the runner to steal home to tie the score but as the pitcher delivers a pitch to the NNC batter Eastern Oregon's catcher jumps over the play catches the pitch and tags the runner coming from third base. The umpire calls the runner out and game is over. This was the most upset that I ever saw Elmore Vail get in all the time I spent with the team.

IMO obviously the umpire is wrong for by jumping in front of the plate as a pitch is being thrown he is interferring with the batter's right to have a chance to at least swing or take the pitch. Am I right?

Dr. Franklin,

You are right. The catcher should have been called for interference. The batter's mistake was that he should have swung and hit the catcher's glove or some other part of his body or catcher's gear. The umpire would have no other choice but to call catcher's interference. The run would have scored and the batter would have been awarded first base.

I would have liked to have seen Elmore Vail upset. He might have been the most mild-mannered person I have ever known. He was a wonderful coach at NNC and Trevecca.

[Chuck Millhuff]

Time for another question---

There are at least 8 ways a batter can reach first base in baseball. Can you list all 8?

Base hit
Walk
Hit by Pitch
Killed by a pitch (They drag him accross)
Dropped Third Strike
Catcher Interference
Fielder's Choice
Reached on an error
Home Run (Not a base hit)
Wild pitch on forth pitch even if it is a strike
Hit by thrown ball on way to first in the base path

I could go on and on....:basic03

[Chuck Millhuff]

Dr. Franklin,

You are right. The catcher should have been called for interference. The batter's mistake was that he should have swung and hit the catcher's glove or some other part of his body or catcher's gear. The umpire would have no other choice but to call catcher's interference. The run would have scored and the batter would have been awarded first base.

I would have liked to have seen Elmore Vail upset. He might have been the most mild-mannered person I have ever known. He was a wonderful coach at NNC and Trevecca.He was at Olivet as well and had a great deal to do with helping me to become a real Christian while there. I loved that man !

[Jim Poteet]

Base hit
Walk
Hit by Pitch
Killed by a pitch (They drag him accross)
Dropped Third Strike
Catcher Interference
Fielder's Choice
Reached on an error
Home Run (Not a base hit)
Wild pitch on forth pitch even if it is a strike
Hit by thrown ball on way to first in the base path

I could go on and on....:basic03

Well---Go On!:fun09

[Chuck Millhuff]

Earth quake shakes him or her to first base (does no count as a hit)
Eagle carries to first base (does not count as a hit)
The rapture drages his or her feet on the base on the way up
Need some more?:basic02

[Ryan Scott]

IMO obviously the umpire is wrong for by jumping in front of the plate as a pitch is being thrown he is interferring with the batter's right to have a chance to at least swing or take the pitch. Am I right?

The only other possibility is that the pitcher was able to step off the rubber (without balking) before throwing home. You didn't indicate this, but if it were true, that's the only way the call holds up.

I do have to give the catcher credit, though. I imagine the tense situation would cause a number of umpires to blow the call, they were going to lose anyway, so it was certainly worth the risk to give it a try. Good, heads-up baseball, in my opinion.

[Ryan Scott]

I do know how a team can get a triple play without any fielder touching the ball. Anyone care to guess at that?


Has anyone had a chance to puzzle this one out?


I'll give a hint: one runner has to be on first base (and it's a far more plausible situation if another runner is on 2nd).

[Ryan Scott]

From the rules of baseball:

7.07
If, with a runner on third base and trying to score by means of a squeeze play or a steal, the catcher or any other fielder steps on, or in front of home base without possession of the ball, or touches the batter or his bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk, the batter shall be awarded first base on the interference and the ball is dead.


So apparently, the above play is allowed, so long as the catcher didn't touch the plate and the batter didn't touch the catcher. Good to know.

[Jim Poteet]

Earth quake shakes him or her to first base (does no count as a hit)
Eagle carries to first base (does not count as a hit)
The rapture drages his or her feet on the base on the way up
Need some more?:basic02

You are really stretching for answers now. Why don't you admit that you are stumped!:bannana

[Jim Poteet]

Has anyone had a chance to puzzle this one out?


I'll give a hint: one runner has to be on first base (and it's a far more plausible situation if another runner is on 2nd).

Thanks for the hint. I'm still thinking and will come up with an answer.

[Jim Franklin]

Then there is the case where I was manning the book for one, Coach Jim Poteet, when Wally Wellmon went driving for the basket, put up the ball and one of the referees blew his whistle. Now I had never known that the person at the book was considered the third referee at the time despite many years of being involved with basketball at the high school level. One referee signaled a basket the other signaled "no basket." The whistle was blown as the one referee was charging Wellmon with a charging foul, while the other felt the ball had left Wellmon's hand before he came in contact with the defender. So as the referees and the teams were walking to the other end of the floor for the defender to shoot free throws, I had Mike Crabtree, who was on the clock, buzz the game to a halt. I motioned for the referees to clarify whether it was a basket by Wellmon or not. They both said "You are the third referee" to which I was shocked because I was being asked to answer a question which might effect the outcome of the game. Both asked me, "Did the ball go through the basket?" which I answered in the affirmative because I was not only certain I had seen the ball go through but why would one referee motion a basket if he, himself, had not seen the ball go through. So, in a sense, it was two opposed to one for a majority opinion. Neither asked me whether the whistle for the charging foul had blown before the ball left Wellmon's hand so I felt assurance that the right call was made even though I was castigated by the sports reporter for the Oklahoman in the next day's issue.

[Jim Franklin]

I spent time with Elmore's family here in Boise while he was in surgery for the cancerous brain tumor that eventually took his life and visited him at home in his last weeks. Without a doubt one of the most holy saints with whom I had the privilege of knowing.

There may be many who have repeated the statement "I want to be like Mike," but for me I would like to be like Elmore. Chuck, good to know we have a common hero.

[Jim Franklin]

Moderators, perhaps it is time to at least have a Sports Forum even if we can not have a M2M like the women have W2W. What about it?

[Jim Poteet]

Then there is the case where I was manning the book for one, Coach Jim Poteet, when Wally Wellmon went driving for the basket, put up the ball and one of the referees blew his whistle. Now I had never known that the person at the book was considered the third referee at the time despite many years of being involved with basketball at the high school level. One referee signaled a basket the other signaled "no basket." The whistle was blown as the one referee was charging Wellmon with a charging foul, while the other felt the ball had left Wellmon's hand before he came in contact with the defender. So as the referees and the teams were walking to the other end of the floor for the defender to shoot free throws, I had Mike Crabtree, who was on the clock, buzz the game to a halt. I motioned for the referees to clarify whether it was a basket by Wellmon or not. They both said "You are the third referee" to which I was shocked because I was being asked to answer a question which might effect the outcome of the game. Both asked me, "Did the ball go through the basket?" which I answered in the affirmative because I was not only certain I had seen the ball go through but why would one referee motion a basket if he, himself, had not seen the ball go through. So, in a sense, it was two opposed to one for a majority opinion. Neither asked me whether the whistle for the charging foul had blown before the ball left Wellmon's hand so I felt assurance that the right call was made even though I was castigated by the sports reporter for the Oklahoman in the next day's issue.

Dr. Franklin,

I wish I could remember the game you refer to above. However, there have been too many games and too many calls to remember that one. Yes, the officials, if they have a differing opinion, will sometimes ask the official scorer or timer if the ball went into basket. There only requirement is to answer the question, much like a witness in a trial. It is not their job to add comment to the question asked.

[Jim Poteet]

I spent time with Elmore's family here in Boise while he was in surgery for the cancerous brain tumor that eventually took his life and visited him at home in his last weeks. Without a doubt one of the most holy saints with whom I had the privilege of knowing.

There may be many who have repeated the statement "I want to be like Mike," but for me I would like to be like Elmore. Chuck, good to know we have a common hero.

And I say "amen" to that!

[Chuck Millhuff]

Jim:
The kansas City Kings had a player called Tiny, How tiny was / is he?