A little respect for the Big 12 now???

[Bruce Carriker]

Big 12 placed 8...that's EIGHT...players on the 1st-team All-American team. No other conference had more than four...including the vaunted and feared SEC.

[Steven Kochersperger]

Sorry Bruce. Its the one thing I always hated about living in KC (Big 12 country). Big 12 fans always scream about getting no respect. AND they always think their conference is the tops in basketball and football every year. There is never a down year. The same goes for Kansas City fans who every year say they are in the toughest NFL division and baseball division.

Sorry, just had to vent

[Ryan Scott]

I don't think the Big-12 gets enough respect nationally, but I still don't think they're better than SEC in football. The season has proven that they are indeed better than the PAC-10 and certainly beginning to develop the kind of depth and consistency needed to rival the SEC, but I can't give them the title just yet.

[Bruce Carriker]

Sorry Bruce. Its the one thing I always hated about living in KC (Big 12 country). Big 12 fans always scream about getting no respect. AND they always think their conference is the tops in basketball and football every year. There is never a down year. The same goes for Kansas City fans who every year say they are in the toughest NFL division and baseball division.

Sorry, just had to vent

I'm not sure Big 12 fans ever claim the conference is a great basketball conference. Good, but not great. I think you're confusing Big 12 fans with KU fans...not the same thing. :basic03

As for football, however, the Big 12 is almost always underrated.

Kansas City? Well, until recent years the AFC West was a tough conference. Now it's known on KC talk radio as the "AFC Worst", so I think there's been a reality check among the locals. And everyone there has know that the Royals haven't been any good for twenty years...and that the AL Central is not and never has been (at least for a long time) the toughest in baseball.

[Bruce Carriker]

The season has proven that they are indeed better than the PAC-10...

That's about like "proving" that fire is hot or water is wet, isn't it?

[Mike McVey]

Big 12 placed 8...that's EIGHT...players on the 1st-team All-American team. No other conference had more than four...including the vaunted and feared SEC.

Bruce, you should know by now that it is all hype. Having grown up watching the Big 8 and Southwest Conference, and then the merging of the two into the Big 12 (which I'm literally a big fan of 6'8", 365), I know the quality from the hype.

The only good thing this year has shown for me is that the Big Ten is as weak as I have been believing for the past 10-15 years. I agree that the SEC is overrated - they started the year with about 8 teams in the top 25! There is no way that any conference deserves that much credit. The SEC was horrible football this year. Fun to watch, yes. But it was the sloppiest it has ever been. I haven't looked up the stats, but my guess is there was a record broken for the most points scored this year in the SEC.

I really wish the NCAA would do one of two things. Get rid of the BCS altogether and bring back the mythical national champion or do a playoff through December. I prefer the former, but the latter would get people to shut up about how great their team/conference is.

I also wish they would get rid of overtime in college football. I think it has ruined the legend. The SEC (my guess) were the OT kings this year. Had there been no overtime, the Big 12 might have had two teams in the National Championship. Of course, that would never happen, but Kansas deserves to be in the NC game more than any SEC team.

:)

[Jim Franklin]

Wasn't Oklahoma supposed to walk all over Boise State at the Fiesta Bowl last New Years? Yet Boise State led most of the game until they tried to give the game to the Sooners. But they would not keep it.

[Jim Poteet]

Bruce, you should know by now that it is all hype. Having grown up watching the Big 8 and Southwest Conference, and then the merging of the two into the Big 12 (which I'm literally a big fan of 6'8", 365), I know the quality from the hype.

The only good thing this year has shown for me is that the Big Ten is as weak as I have been believing for the past 10-15 years. I agree that the SEC is overrated - they started the year with about 8 teams in the top 25! There is no way that any conference deserves that much credit. The SEC was horrible football this year. Fun to watch, yes. But it was the sloppiest it has ever been. I haven't looked up the stats, but my guess is there was a record broken for the most points scored this year in the SEC.

I really wish the NCAA would do one of two things. Get rid of the BCS altogether and bring back the mythical national champion or do a playoff through December. I prefer the former, but the latter would get people to shut up about how great their team/conference is.

I also wish they would get rid of overtime in college football. I think it has ruined the legend. The SEC (my guess) were the OT kings this year. Had there been no overtime, the Big 12 might have had two teams in the National Championship. Of course, that would never happen, but Kansas deserves to be in the NC game more than any SEC team.

:)

The NCAA has nothing to do with Division I football as far as the bowl games or any kind of championship is concerned. The colleges, as I've stated many times before do not want NCAA sanction. If they want NCAA sanction, the NCAA will begin to take their share of Bowl money and televison money. Don't look for any NCAA action. That won't happen!

[Mike McVey]

The NCAA has nothing to do with Division I football as far as the bowl games or any kind of championship is concerned. The colleges, as I've stated many times before do not want NCAA sanction. If they want NCAA sanction, the NCAA will begin to take their share of Bowl money and televison money. Don't look for any NCAA action. That won't happen!

I know it won't happen. But a guy can still dream, can't he? :)

[Bruce Carriker]

Wasn't Oklahoma supposed to walk all over Boise State at the Fiesta Bowl last New Years? Yet Boise State led most of the game until they tried to give the game to the Sooners. But they would not keep it.

I'm not trying to take anything away from last year's BSU squad, but OU was poorly prepared for that game. Oklahoma bought into their own hype and did not take Boise State seriously. If you played that game ten times, OU would win eight. They were simply the more talented football team, and at the college level talent usually wins.

HOWEVER, last year Stoops did not have his guys prepared to play and his team got beat by a team that played better that night. That doesn't make them a better team, any more than the Eagles beating Dallas yesterday makes them a better team.

[Joe Hittle]

I'm not trying to take anything away from last year's BSU squad, but OU was poorly prepared for that game. Oklahoma bought into their own hype and did not take Boise State seriously. ...

HOWEVER, last year Stoops did not have his guys prepared to play and his team got beat by a team that played better that night.

And thus, you answer your title question and following premise :-)

Joe

[Bruce Carriker]

And thus, you answer your title question and following premise :-)

Joe

I don't like to think that I"m stupid, but I have no clue what you're saying, Joe. How does the failure of one coach to have one team prepared to play one game justify the denigration of the whole conference?

[Joe Hittle]

Okay,

I'll bow out early before I get accused of being the one to take this to a personal level.

ciao

Joe

[Steven Martinez]

Don't we have to clarify this a little? Shouldn't we all agree that the Big 10 is overated? Seriously though. Lets look at last years bowl records for the big 12 from Rivals.com

Worst major conference 1A: Big 12. It went a misleading 3-5, but all three of its victories came against teams that entered bowl season 6-6. The wins came by a combined margin of victory of eight points. Whoop-de-do. Its champion, Oklahoma, lost to Boise State despite being a seven-point favorite. Its North Division champ, Nebraska, also lost.

So I would not blame one coach but I would blame 5 of them for the reason that the Big 12 is over rated. Maybe if the Pac 10 played more games against the southland conference we would have better records and more respect. Instead the Pac 10 plays ranked teams including the Big 12. Washington for example played Boise State, Ohio State and Hawaii for non-conference, USC played at Lincoln. Cal played at Tenn, WA State played at Wisconsin and Oregon played at Mich. Oklahoma played 2 ranked opponents all year (I am not counting the Big 12 title game) where USC played 4.
You say no respect for the Big 12?

[Mike McVey]

Don't we have to clarify this a little? Shouldn't we all agree that the Big 10 is overated? Seriously though. Lets look at last years bowl records for the big 12 from Rivals.com

Worst major conference 1A: Big 12. It went a misleading 3-5, but all three of its victories came against teams that entered bowl season 6-6. The wins came by a combined margin of victory of eight points. Whoop-de-do. Its champion, Oklahoma, lost to Boise State despite being a seven-point favorite. Its North Division champ, Nebraska, also lost.

So I would not blame one coach but I would blame 5 of them for the reason that the Big 12 is over rated. Maybe if the Pac 10 played more games against the southland conference we would have better records and more respect. Instead the Pac 10 plays ranked teams including the Big 12. Washington for example played Boise State, Ohio State and Hawaii for non-conference, USC played at Lincoln. Cal played at Tenn, WA State played at Wisconsin and Oregon played at Mich. Oklahoma played 2 ranked opponents all year (I am not counting the Big 12 title game) where USC played 4.
You say no respect for the Big 12?

This post just shows your ignorance towards rankings. First of all, you are taking one year out to show that the Big 12 is worthy/unworthy? Despite the fact that last year, the Big 12 non-conference schedule was one of the toughest? This year, not as much by the Big 2, but by the rest of the league... um, yeah it was competitive. Rankings are so meaningless. You can tell every year the bias of where teams are pre-ranked. The only reason why USC and LSU are not playing each other is because Ohio State made the mistake of only losing once instead of twice. Throughout the first half of the season, when these two teams were struggling by sad opponents, they were still ranked 1-2.

I do not think that the Big 12 was nearly as dominant this year, but no conference was. All of them sucked it up. The SEC had the advantage because eight teams were pre-ranked in the top 25. Therefore, every time they beat each other, they beat a ranked opponent.

[Steven Martinez]

This post just shows your ignorance towards rankings. First of all, you are taking one year out to show that the Big 12 is worthy/unworthy? Despite the fact that last year, the Big 12 non-conference schedule was one of the toughest? This year, not as much by the Big 2, but by the rest of the league... um, yeah it was competitive. Rankings are so meaningless. You can tell every year the bias of where teams are pre-ranked. The only reason why USC and LSU are not playing each other is because Ohio State made the mistake of only losing once instead of twice. Throughout the first half of the season, when these two teams were struggling by sad opponents, they were still ranked 1-2.

I do not think that the Big 12 was nearly as dominant this year, but no conference was. All of them sucked it up. The SEC had the advantage because eight teams were pre-ranked in the top 25. Therefore, every time they beat each other, they beat a ranked opponent.

I do not see how the regular season schedule shows the lack of Bowl wins. You proved my point as far as rankings are concerned because the Big 12 is highly ranked and yet the thread is about how they lack respect from the country somehow. Anyone who had Mizzu and KU 1 and 2 shows how messeud up the rankings were and how over rated the Big 12 is.