Why Is Lord Taking So Long To Return?

[Ian Gentles]

Seems world and church has now waited a long time for the Lords return. Course a thousand years to the Lord are but a day. Is there any time scale we can think of that helps in this question?

[Bob Carabbio]

Actually the World/church for the most part isn't paying much attention one way or another to the Lord's return - the color of the paint in the sanctuary is much more important at present, and life is GOOD - at least here in the U.S. where there's 3-4 cars in every garage, good jobs, insurance, easy credit, and good medical care.

But the bottom line, I think, is that He's bringing his church back from the near death it experienced in the dark ages, and adding line upon line and precept upon precept till the "Mature corporate man" of Ephesians is manifested, and the earth FOR THE FIRST TIME encounters the true "body of Christ". AND the rate of change/growth is accelerating as the time grows shorter.

[Ron Hoffman]

till the "Mature corporate man" of Ephesians is manifested.
souls are


Has anyone here read thegateofeden.com?

Tis a huge puzzle, it is.

nice to meet everyone.
ron

[Ian Gentles]

Hi Ron good to meet you!

[Ron Hoffman]

Thank you.

May i ask if everyone here knows what it feels like to have the anointing enter themselves so to speak?

It is actually a common feeling that can be caused by something else, but it is alittle different and it depends on what is in your thoughts at the time.

And it has something to do with the pineal gland.

Hopefully this in on topic.
ron

[Wilson L. Deaton]

Seems world and church has now waited a long time for the Lords return. Course a thousand years to the Lord are but a day.

You quoted 2 Peter 3:8. I think the next verse is more useful to the question about why the Lord is taking so long.

2 Peter 3:8-9 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

I boldfaced the key to your question.

Is there any time scale we can think of that helps in this question?

On another level, or from a different perspective: Think about the history that lead up to the incarnation (billions of years). Compare that to the Christian era. With that perspective, 2000 years is but a drop in the bucket.

I can't hardly imagine the idea of God spending all that time to get to this point and then abruptly ending it. Personally, I would think it extremely quick if the second coming isn't at least a few million years away...

(To take that another step: Any duration you can think of, trillions and trillions of years, would be rather short compared to eternity which is the time scale God deals with.)

Wilson

[Ian Gentles]

You quoted 2 Peter 3:8. I think the next verse is more useful to the question about why the Lord is taking so long.

2 Peter 3:8-9 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

I boldfaced the key to your question.



On another level, or from a different perspective: Think about the history that lead up to the incarnation (billions of years). Compare that to the Christian era. With that perspective, 2000 years is but a drop in the bucket.

I can't hardly imagine the idea of God spending all that time to get to this point and then abruptly ending it. Personally, I would think it extremely quick if the second coming isn't at least a few million years away...

(To take that another step: Any duration you can think of, trillions and trillions of years, would be rather short compared to eternity which is the time scale God deals with.)

Wilson

Seems to me the world is running out of time anyways!

[Wilson L. Deaton]

Seems to me the world is running out of time anyways!

In what way do you think, "the world," running out of time?

Wilson

[Ron Hoffman]

There is a timeframe embedded within the dimensions of the holy tabernacle. Many mature believers are suggesting that 2007 was the year of completion and the number 8symbolically refers to manifestation and infinity and the jewish calendar also is a number ending in 8.

I think the keyword in 2 Peter 3:9 is the word repentence. A word that is not understood in its essence. And it sounds like this group knows exactly where the Kingdom starts from and that is within.

[Roland Hearn]

Ron,
Welcome to Naznet, I hope you find this a fun place to hang out.

I'm sorry to say you aren't going to find a lot of bites on speculative biblical prophecy on this forum.

[Roland Hearn]

Seems world and church has now waited a long time for the Lords return. Course a thousand years to the Lord are but a day. Is there any time scale we can think of that helps in this question?

Ian I don't think there is any objective way to affirm it has been a long wait. It only feels long to those that endure but mercifully no one has to endure more than one life time. As for me I'm fairly confident that a thousand years from now people will be asking the same question.

[Anne and Dwayne Hood]

Sometimes, we may feel as if we wish the Lord would return soon, but, then we say,
"Wait a little longer please Jesus." Why? Well, for us, Dwayne's sister is far from God.
One of my sisters and her children, and her husband, are far from God. Another sister's grown daughters are far from God. We could all go on and on, and include friends as well as family. So, we just have to "occupy until He comes," and thank God for a little more time, to get our loved ones in.

[Ron Hoffman]

Thank you Roland. From what i have read, this group is definitely searching and that is better than not, i guess.

I have spent 7 years with a rather heavy calling from Him and He has shown me some way out there stuff that only a person who is pure of heart could understand the importance of and incorporate into their walk without blowing apart mentally and physically. Being pure of heart means i have analyzed all of the inner darkness and confusion and with time, dedication and loyalty matured out of this confusion and immaturity.

In truth, i am not here to become clear, i am here to promote clarity and in that the loyalty of following Him and Him and Him is, well, there is no other option.

I have been living psalm 15 for a year now, and no i am not. just preparing, thats all.

There is a rather big number in revelation and that is not a corporate number, it is an individual number and that secret was bestowed to me 3 years ago and i followed it and i was not wrong.

see, the key is to not want the power, but to do it because it is the right thing to do. the power is just the reward for obedience.

His friend until the end,
ron

[Ian Gentles]

In what way do you think, "the world," running out of time?

Wilson

I was thinking ecologically also weapons of mass destruction. Seems we are bent on destroying our planet if not humanity itself!

[Hans Deventer]

Sometimes, we may feel as if we wish the Lord would return soon, but, then we say,
"Wait a little longer please Jesus." Why? Well, for us, Dwayne's sister is far from God.
One of my sisters and her children, and her husband, are far from God. Another sister's grown daughters are far from God. We could all go on and on, and include friends as well as family. So, we just have to "occupy until He comes," and thank God for a little more time, to get our loved ones in.

Anne, this is the cry of the heart and I understand it. The only problem is, that if these prayers are answered, the Lord will never ever return. There will always be people who have no chosen to follow Him.

[Barbara Moulton]

Welcome. I must admit that I am a little concerned when someone testifies that they have been given a secret which they have come to share in order to bring clarity to the rest of us.

We are all willing to discuss various issues and gain insight from each other (you can surely tell that from this forum) but, for the most part, we come as both learners and teachers.

I believe the Lord will return one day. Speculation on how, when or secret numbers is not something that interests me. But I pray God's blessings on you in your spiritual journey.

Blessings,
Barbara



Thank you Roland. From what i have read, this group is definitely searching and that is better than not, i guess.

I have spent 7 years with a rather heavy calling from Him and He has shown me some way out there stuff that only a person who is pure of heart could understand the importance of and incorporate into their walk without blowing apart mentally and physically. Being pure of heart means i have analyzed all of the inner darkness and confusion and with time, dedication and loyalty matured out of this confusion and immaturity.

In truth, i am not here to become clear, i am here to promote clarity and in that the loyalty of following Him and Him and Him is, well, there is no other option.

I have been living psalm 15 for a year now, and no i am not. just preparing, thats all.

There is a rather big number in revelation and that is not a corporate number, it is an individual number and that secret was bestowed to me 3 years ago and i followed it and i was not wrong.

see, the key is to not want the power, but to do it because it is the right thing to do. the power is just the reward for obedience.

His friend until the end,
ron

[Ian Gentles]

Anne, this is the cry of the heart and I understand it. The only problem is, that if these prayers are answered, the Lord will never ever return. There will always be people who have no chosen to follow Him.

Yes, many will be lost, sad fact of scripture!

[Terri Knoll]

this could be one reason God is waiting

Jesus' myspace (http://www.myspace.com/mark15_2)

scroll down to the prayers of His people.

blessings,
Terri

[Wilson L. Deaton]

I was thinking ecologically also weapons of mass destruction. Seems we are bent on destroying our planet if not humanity itself!

In the various discussions I've had concerning global warming, several have pointed out to me that we can't "destroy" the planet. I usually reply, that I agree. I don't think we can do that much damage, either.

I think we could ruin civilization as we know it. I think we could hurt the earth enough that many plants and animals go extinct and that food crops could drop dramatically. I think we could ruin a great deal of our habitable land but not all of it. (Current estimate is that 12.5% of earth is habitable.) I think we could decimate the population to a small fraction of what it is now.

But that still isn't "total destruction." A remnant can remain. Civilizations can adapt and rebuild. Nature can eventually heal (because God designed it that way).

I think "total destruction" will take something like the Sun entering red giant stage in a few billion years... I expect the second coming before that.

Wilson

[Ian Gentles]

In the various discussions I've had concerning global warming, several have pointed out to me that we can't "destroy" the planet. I usually reply, that I agree. I don't think we can do that much damage, either.

I think we could ruin civilization as we know it. I think we could hurt the earth enough that many plants and animals go extinct and that food crops could drop dramatically. I think we could ruin a great deal of our habitable land but not all of it. (Current estimate is that 12.5% of earth is habitable.) I think we could decimate the population to a small fraction of what it is now.

But that still isn't "total destruction." A remnant can remain. Civilizations can adapt and rebuild. Nature can eventually heal (because God designed it that way).

I think "total destruction" will take something like the Sun entering red giant stage in a few billion years... I expect the second coming before that.

Wilson

Or it could be terrorists getting Pakistans nuclear weapons?

[Ian Gentles]

this could be one reason God is waiting

Jesus' myspace (http://www.myspace.com/mark15_2)

scroll down to the prayers of His people.

blessings,
Terri

Naw Terri, all the elect will be saved ;)

[Wilson L. Deaton]

Or it could be terrorists getting Pakistans nuclear weapons?

Even in the event of a, "nuclear winter," I believe a, "spring," would follow....

Wilson

[Ian Gentles]

Even in the event of a, "nuclear winter," I believe a, "spring," would follow....

Wilson

We actualy dont know that, or full scale affects of a nuclear war!

[Wilson L. Deaton]

We actualy dont know that, or full scale affects of a nuclear war!

Yeah, I've heard it over and over and over again--we don't actually know anything....

Wilson

[Terri Knoll]

hey wilson, not to interupt but your link to your homepage on the members list doesn't work anymore...I was looking over members homepages today