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Dave McClung
5th May 2008, 11:54 PM (23:54)
I have tried to identify the snake I saw at the Wild Horses Monument, but have not found one like it on the internet. Can you identify it?

The head isn't broad enough to be a rattle snake and there was no rattle on the tale.

Jan Hart
6th May 2008, 12:01 AM (00:01)
My husband and I agree that it a live snake!! :laughing

Dave McClung
6th May 2008, 12:05 AM (00:05)
My husband and I agree that it a live snake!! :laughing

I think I found the answer -- it is a Western Hooknose Snake!!

http://www.pitt.edu/~mcs2/herp/snake.pics/Gyalopion_canum.jpg

Lee Branum
6th May 2008, 12:14 AM (00:14)
Bull Snake. There are quite a few of those around, and they are an enemy of the rattlers found around the eastern side of the Columbia.

Bob Wright
6th May 2008, 12:28 AM (00:28)
But we call them Bull Snakes around here.

Dave McClung
6th May 2008, 01:40 AM (01:40)
But we call them Bull Snakes around here.

You both are obviously right, but it does appear that the University of Pittsburg has misidentified a bull snake as a Western Hooknose Snake. When I googled "Western Hooknose Snake", I found other pictures that differ. The pattern is different.

Wikipedia confirmed that bull snakes life in Washington and their picture is just like mine.

Ryan Scott
6th May 2008, 11:24 AM (11:24)
I don't think the picture you posted is the same as the one labeled hooknose. I mean, you were actually there, so your discretion is better than mine, but the markings look too different to be the same snake.

The difference I noticed immediately is the width of the dark markings along the tail. Your hooknose had much thinner ones.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Bull_snake.jpg/800px-Bull_snake.jpg

Hal Paul
8th May 2008, 06:58 PM (18:58)
Dad & Bob beat me to it, it looks like a bull snake to me. I recall seeing some in Nebraska when we lived there. Dad and I killed a small one (about 5 1/2 feet long) that our cat cornered on the driveway.

I almost stepped on a much larger one when I was walking through a field one time, about scared me to death. That's what I get for going mudding in a 2 wheel drive pickup, getting stuck and having to walk home.:cool:

Wayne Paul
8th May 2008, 07:31 PM (19:31)
I almost stepped on a much larger one when I was walking through a field one time, about scared me to death. That's what I get for going mudding in a 2 wheel drive pickup, getting stuck and having to walk home.:cool:

Hal, I have pictures of you and the truck stuck in the mud. Should I post them?

BobHunt
8th May 2008, 07:32 PM (19:32)
so was this one poisionious?

Wayne Paul
8th May 2008, 07:40 PM (19:40)
so was this one poisionious?

No, Bull snakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_snake)are not poisionious.

Dave McClung
8th May 2008, 09:00 PM (21:00)
I don't think the picture you posted is the same as the one labeled hooknose. I mean, you were actually there, so your discretion is better than mine, but the markings look too different to be the same snake.

The difference I noticed immediately is the width of the dark markings along the tail. Your hooknose had much thinner ones.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Bull_snake.jpg/800px-Bull_snake.jpg

I was there, but the picture was taken with a zoom lense. As a general rule, I don't bother snakes. I admire them from a distance.

When I was hiking in Arizona a couple of weeks ago, the Ranger I met said that 70% of people who get bit by rattlesnakes are harrasing them before they get bit. His advise is to simply give the snake a wide berth.

Hal Paul
9th May 2008, 12:31 AM (00:31)
Hal, I have pictures of you and the truck stuck in the mud. Should I post them?

:eek: I knew you would probably go there. I'm kind of hoping they are in slides, and you still haven't bought that slide scanner we keep talking about.

What a miserable Friday/Saturday that was, and it keeps coming back to haunt me.