Baptism for the dead

[Kevin Rector]

What is this verse (1 Cor. 15:29) all about?

Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?resurrection

[Randy Wise]

What is this verse (1 Cor. 15:26) all about?



resurrection

My Thoughts
I would assume that was a custom during that age. However I think Paul was reasoning with such statements to show a faith in a future resurrection
of the righteous. One that hadn't taken place and will take place. I would pursue that avenue of thought about what Paul is trying to state. As in this verse "32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised".

Randy

[Greg Farra]

What is this verse (1 Cor. 15:26) all about?



resurrection

I'm sure if you called Salt Lake City, they'd tell you!

Actually, I'm not sure. But since it's one verse, I'd not make it a major doctrine like the LDS has.:gen02

[Brian Blankenship]

:basic02Greg, I went to a service twenty two years ago at a Mormon church that had testimonies of teenage young ladies that had gone to Dallas , TX for a baptism of the dead service for ladies that had lived during the 1880's. To everyone else, they thought it was normal. To me, I was thinking, what koolaid are they drinking?

[Brian Blankenship]

:basic02Greg, I went to a service twenty two years ago at a Mormon church that had testimonies of teenage young ladies that had gone to Dallas , TX for a baptism of the dead service for ladies that had lived during the 1880's. To everyone else, they thought it was normal. To me, I was thinking, what koolaid are they drinking?

This was actually part of the requirements for a class at NTS called American Cults and Sects. I had to visit a mormon church, a kingdom hall(jehovah's witness), and a Christian science(man was that weird).

[Eric Frey]

This was actually part of the requirements for a class at NTS called American Cults and Sects. I had to visit a mormon church, a kingdom hall(jehovah's witness), and a Christian science(man was that weird).


It is funny about sects. We call Mormons, JW, CS, etc. sects. But I have good friends that see the CotN (and similar denominations) as sects. I guess it just depends on perspective.

[Brian Blankenship]

It is funny about sects. We call Mormons, JW, CS, etc. sects. But I have good friends that see the CotN (and similar denominations) as sects. I guess it just depends on perspective.

Eric, I guess it also depends on truth.

[Brian Blankenship]

Eric, I guess it also depends on truth.

Eric, I guess another question we could ask is what makes up a sect or a cult. In the first century, Rome viewed Christianity as a cult associated with Judaism.

[Eric Frey]

Eric, I guess it also depends on truth.

According to whom? We all claim some affirmation of truth... Even JW, Mormons, CS, etc. The difference is we have the real truth. I don't know any group that is not convinced that they are affirmed of the truth.

[Ramesh Deosarran]

It is funny about sects. We call Mormons, JW, CS, etc. sects. But I have good friends that see the CotN (and similar denominations) as sects. I guess it just depends on perspective.


There may be some perspective and also truth. However, sects are more exclusive in their membership and requirements. Church, on the other hand, is more inclusive.

There may be common ground for friendship. However, there are core beliefs that set us apart. We also strenuously reject some of their core beliefs. In some cases we disagree on ministerial preparation.

Just my thoughts!

[Crystal Lutton]

What is this verse (1 Cor. 15:26) all about?



resurrection

I'm not finding that quote and now I'm all confused :eek:

1 Cor 15:26 reads The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

1 Cor 15:13-14 reads But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your faith [is] also vain.

Am I missing the verse you are thinking of?

[Kevin Rector]

It should be: 1 Cor 15:29 - had a typo but it won't let me edit it anymore.

[Hans Deventer]

It should be: 1 Cor 15:29 - had a typo but it won't let me edit it anymore.

Done.

[Bob Carabbio]

There appears to be some evidence that the Jews did think that "something religious" had to be done for the dear departed (kind of like the modern superstition of infant baptism) - the famous statement by Judas Macabeus that gave us Purgatorial sanctification is indicative that some Jews had gone over into that pagan superstition - could be this was a reference to that silliness, but obviously since there IS NOTHING that can be done for the dead, Paul's certainly not teaching that anybody SHOULD do such a thing - wouldn't fit Anything in scripture.

And of course there were the Sadducees who taught their "NO resurrection" poison in Judaism.

1 Cor 15:
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Seems like Paul was saying that "HEY guys!! even those unwashed pagans over there are convinced there's gonna be a resurrection - what's YOUR problem????

[Eric Frey]

There appears to be some evidence that the Jews did think that "something religious" had to be done for the dear departed (kind of like the modern superstition of infant baptism)


This is highly offensive and is contrary to any kind of Nazarene or Wesleyan theology. There have been plenty of discussions, so I am not trying to start one now, but could we please refrain from such inflamitory (and untrue) commentary?

[Randy Wise]

There appears to be some evidence that the Jews did think that "something religious" had to be done for the dear departed (kind of like the modern superstition of infant baptism) - the famous statement by Judas Macabeus that gave us Purgatorial sanctification is indicative that some Jews had gone over into that pagan superstition - could be this was a reference to that silliness, but obviously since there IS NOTHING that can be done for the dead, Paul's certainly not teaching that anybody SHOULD do such a thing - wouldn't fit Anything in scripture.

And of course there were the Sadducees who taught their "NO resurrection" poison in Judaism.

1 Cor 15:
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Seems like Paul was saying that "HEY guys!! even those unwashed pagans over there are convinced there's gonna be a resurrection - what's YOUR problem????

Well Bob infant baptism is a Christian practice and my Lutheran mother wouldn't use the word superstition in that regard. Is Christ Jesus real? So why do you call a baptism in His name a superstition?

I do believe Paul was advocating the resurrection of the righteous not baptism for the dead, however I can't tell from what Paul wrote what group of people practiced baptism for the dead. I do believe from the text some group did practice baptism for the dead.

Randy

[Kathy O'Connor]

Greg,
You seem to have substantial knowledge for LDS, JW's and other sects. Is it an area of study, or just an interest...combined with an ability to recall/remember?

I've read quite a bit about sects and cults, but have forgotten most of it.