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Wayne Paul
24th May 2008, 03:59 PM (15:59)
I just realized as this Memorial Day approaches that it has been a little over 38 years since I was “med-evaqued” from Vietnam.

Every time I let my mind return to those days I am flooded with emotion. As time passes the walls of protection that I built keep crumbling away. Today it is almost impossible to hide my tears. The memories of men with whom I shared a stateroom and fellow squadron members I saw shot down and killed or classified “Missing in Action” overwhelm we with grief and a variety of emotions that I am unable able to classify or express. It should be noted the anguish I experience is not limited to these losses. It includes the associate grief the losses imposed on their wives, children and extended families. It too often is not recognized that the trials of the family, in many cases, far exceed the demands of the person serving.

Sometime the pain inflicted on the children is merely the result of being in a suffering community. Like the memory of my son going to take a piano lesson the day after his teacher’s husband was shot down and killed. The mistreatment of a first grader in a class with a teacher whose husband was “missing in action” and emotionally unable to cope with her lose, let alone the stresses of student’s needs. These are just a few examples of the “collateral damage” war inflicted on families.

Then, of course, there is the obvious loss of closeness due to absence which almost everyone understands. However, the demands of family adjustment aren’t as clearly understood. When I was at sea my capable wife was a single parent; however, when I returned I was interjected back into the role of family leader. This instability created by my coming and going was as hard for everyone as my absence.

When dealing with a service member who has returned from combat some conversations are humorous and other, though not intended as such, hurt. On the humorous side of the story is the little old lady (lol) in the Church who approached me after my release from the hospital. The conversation went something like this:

Lol – Do people often get a broken back when ejecting?
Me – Yes, about 80% of the time.
Lol – Knowing that wasn’t it hard to make the decision to eject?
Me – Not really when the other choice was death.

Here is a well meaning hurtful comment. “Wayne, we are so glad you are home and don’t need to pray for anyone in Vietnam anymore.” I wanted to scream, “My God, there are people dying over there as we speak. What do you mean you don’t need to pray because I’m home!!”

In my lifetime I have never met a person who “gave their life for their country”; however, I have known far too many who have “lost their life serving their country.” I believe this is a distinction that needs to be made. Just because they die doesn’t make them a hero. Please remember the difference as you approach this holiday.

I want to reiterate the sacrifice associated with military service extends to the immediate and extended family. Please remember all who have suffered on this Memorial Day, both the living as well as the dead.

Paul Whitaker
24th May 2008, 04:20 PM (16:20)
Praying for you and all of our Vietnam, WWII, Korean veterans. I am sure there are others but I feel you men and women who served are among the cream of the crop of our generations.

Many are the remembrances of war when we see those who have physically affected by the wars.

I am ashamed of those who did not embrace you as heroes when you returned home.

One friend , Marine who served in WWII and Korea, lost sight in both eyes in Korea, and has recently retired. He spent 30 years working for the State of Kansas as director of rehabilitation of the blind.

He is a real hero to this guy! His attitude, spirit and Christian insights are really a blessing.

Thanks so much for your service. So sorry you had to be medevacued.

With Warmest Regards

paul

Dave McClung
24th May 2008, 06:51 PM (18:51)
[quote=Wayne Paul;195907]...In my lifetime I have never met a person who “gave their life for their country”; however, I have known far too many who have “lost their life serving their country.” I believe this is a distinction that needs to be made. Just because they die doesn’t make them a hero. Please remember the difference as you approach this holiday.

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Wayne, while I certainly agree with your post, I am not sure I understand the quoted paragraph.

I think your definition of a "hero" is probably narrower than mine. I have known some people who weren't afraid of anything, including death. I call those people "stupid."

I have known some others who were scared to death, but fulfilled their missions anyway. I call those people "heros."

Jim Franklin
24th May 2008, 07:06 PM (19:06)
Thank you, Wayne for your post that reminds us all of the sacrifices not only of the risks in which the service member experiences but those of the families at home or in base housing. It seems to me that there are just too many of our citizens who have little appreciation or empathy with the fact that "freedom is not free." It galls me when I hear or read the sentiments of some who certainly have the right to express their views but I heartily disagree with what they have said. I have former students deployed in Iraq and you can be sure I pray for them often.

Wayne Paul
24th May 2008, 07:58 PM (19:58)
Wayne, while I certainly agree with your post, I am not sure I understand the quoted paragraph.

I think your definition of a "hero" is probably narrower than mine. I have known some people who weren't afraid of anything, including death. I call those people "stupid."

I have known some others who were scared to death, but fulfilled their missions anyway. I call those people "heros".

Dave,

You are correct.

I served with a peer group that daily faced fear and death. Therefore, to “display courage and the will for self-sacrifice” in a way different from me and my peers requires more then is required by the general public. Never the less, I believe the term “hero” has been overused by the media a general public since 9/11 and there is a difference between "gave his life" and "lost his live."

Respectfully,
Wayne

Paul Whitaker
24th May 2008, 09:25 PM (21:25)
One of my most brilliant professors walked with a definite limp - he was the chair of the mathematics department at Oklahoma State. There were 88 of us working as graduate assistants.

One day we were talking with him about the Viet Nam war.

He was quite straight talking as he discussed our country and war.

He had been in the service, among the first onto Anzio Beach in Italy. This was one of the most dreadful battles our men endured in Italy.

He was a lieutenant in the service.

As they were going up the hill one of his Pfc saw a hand grenade coming towards them. The pfc fell to the ground with the grenade between the ground and his chest. The grenade exploded killing the pfc. Some of the sharpnal entered the leg of our professors leg. He was evacuated for medical care. Our prof was saved as a result of the actions of the pfc.

That's how he ended up with a definite limp.

That incident is what you are talking about, Dave. Most of the men who were advancing up the hill were scared to death. They were dedicated to the their mission. They were heroes.

There was another man on that hill. He was a chaplain. He survived. The
Catholic and Jewish clergy had been killed so this chaplain took from those chaplains the hardware/software which identified them as Priest and Rabbi.

He returned home after the war - terribly troubled mentally. He would have periods when he would be violent to his wife and children. He finally told his wife that she should divorce him because he didn't seem to have any control over those bouts of violence. They divorced. He eventually remarried.
He got a job working in the Smithsonian - working with the Bibles. He suffered from the trauma received on Anzio.

His wife, my aunt survived the abuse, remarried and had a wonderful life.

Mark Moore, Chaplain, former DS, former president of TNU, Kenya, etc., says this chaplain was a 'saint' in Mark's books. The word among chaplains was that my uncle buried more soldiers than any other chaplain during that portion of WWII.

Mark Moore was a prisoner of war but he said that my uncle's mental difficulties were much more severe than anything Mark may have suffered during his imprisonment in the war.

I have utmost respect for all who were and are serving our country.

Hal Paul
25th May 2008, 01:21 PM (13:21)
Dave,

You are correct.

I served with a peer group that daily faced fear and death. Therefore, to “display courage and the will for self-sacrifice” in a way different from me and my peers requires more then is required by the general public. Never the less, I believe the term “hero” has been overused by the media a general public since 9/11 and there is a difference between "gave his life" and "lost his live."

Respectfully,
Wayne
I knew you were going to say that.

---Your OP made me cry.

Wayne Paul
25th May 2008, 01:29 PM (13:29)
I knew you were going to say that.

---Your OP made me cry.

I'm sorry son. I hope it wasn't too personal. I love my family and regret the pain my career choices have caused!!!

Hal Paul
25th May 2008, 04:20 PM (16:20)
I'm sorry son. I hope it wasn't too personal. I love my family and regret the pain my career choices have caused!!!

No worries Dad, I've shared them in some way elsewhere on this forum, it's just that sometimes that little boy finds me, and in many ways things are more clear now than they were then. There is a lot you didn't share too, I can remember you choking up & telling Dave you couldn't carry him because your back was still hurt, and the many times Mom told me about yet another neighbor or friend's dad who's plane had crashed, and he was either dead or missing.

But you know, I also remember the excitement when you came home!!! How Dave and I couldn't contain ourselves and wanted to show you how much we'd grown, how strong we were, how fast we could run. It must have been chaos.:basic05

I'm really glad you came home, even as my heart breaks for my friends who lost their daddy's. I can't imagine how empty life would have been without you.

Randy Wise
25th May 2008, 05:48 PM (17:48)
Well Wayne , I can relate to the family part. I am a army brat and my father was a career army officer who did two tours in vietnam. I remember a little boy who rushed home from school to see a father returned alive. It was a little awkward at first but that passes quickly.

Randy