Having checked into Dr. Thom Oord's thread on lady pastors

[Jim Franklin]

thread on lady pastors, I believe employing more of them would result in a renewal of the denomination. If we don't confirm and affirm their calling it would be a blow to their faith in "what was it that God wanted me to do?"

[Greg Farra]

thread on lady pastors, I believe employing more of them would result in a renewal of the denomination. If we don't confirm and affirm their calling it would be a blow to their faith in "what was it that God wanted me to do?"

Jim,

It hasn't renewed the mainline denominations, but I'd be willing to bet our female pastors are a bit more sound in their theology. I'd rather have a female pastor that holds to orthodoxy than a male liberal pushing bad theology.:preach

[Wayne Paul]

thread on lady pastors, I believe employing more of them would result in a renewal of the denomination. If we don't confirm and affirm their calling it would be a blow to their faith in "what was it that God wanted me to do?"

I wonder how many female NTS graduates are serving in “main line” denominations due to local church’s reluctance to call them as their pastors. I also wonder how many female Nazarene college graduates are/have attended “main line” seminaries because they don’t/didn’t see a pastoral future in the CofN.

I would venture to guess the number of female NTS and Nazarene College grads serving in other denominations is greater then the number serving in the CofN. (Just a “gut feeling” base on sketchy personal observation.)

[Wayne Paul]

Jim,

It hasn't renewed the mainline denominations....

Greg, This may be true; however, I bet they are better off with the female pastors then they would have been without them.

[Greg Farra]

Greg, This may be true; however, I bet they are better off with the female pastors then they would have been without them.

That's true if they're teaching sound doctrine.

[Wayne Paul]

That's true if they're teaching sound doctrine.

For the past 12 years I have been a member of a small United Methodist church. For 6 of those years we had a female pastor. (And yes, her doctrine was sound.)

I wonder how many members of this group have been in a congregation headed by a female pastor. If so, was she married?

Nazarene tradition has a well defined role of a pastor's wife. Would the role of a pastor's husband be different? What if the husband was the pastor of a sister congregation? It can work.

[Susan Unger]

For the past 12 years I have been a member of a small United Methodist church. For 6 of those years we had a female pastor. (And yes, her doctrine was sound.)

I wonder how many members of this group have been in a congregation headed by a female pastor. If so, was she married?

Nazarene tradition has a well defined role of a pastor's wife. Would the role of a pastor's husband be different? What if the husband was the pastor of a sister congregation? It can work.

This wasn't of my church but a neighboring church - she and her husband were co-pastors of a small nazarene church. I don't know how they divided up the job.

[John Kennedy]

I was raised in a home where it did work. Dad and Mom each pastored churches a few miles apart for several years. Later on Mom shared the pulpit responsibilities in all their pastorates. In any of their churches, the people would have told you, and Dad would have emphatically agreed, Bro. Kennedy was a good pastor, but Sis. Kennedy was 'the' preacher.

I guess my mother's ministry is the reason I have less and less use for the point of view that would deny women full inclusion in ministry.

[Susan Unger]

For the past 12 years I have been a member of a small United Methodist church. For 6 of those years we had a female pastor. (And yes, her doctrine was sound.)

I wonder how many members of this group have been in a congregation headed by a female pastor. If so, was she married?

Nazarene tradition has a well defined role of a pastor's wife. Would the role of a pastor's husband be different? What if the husband was the pastor of a sister congregation? It can work.

I had forgotten about this - someone I know from my former church is now a youth pastor. She has her degree from NTS. As her husband isn't a pastor or other full-time minister, I don't know how he is viewed as the "pastor's husband".

[Jim Franklin]

Like John Kennedy both of my parents were ordained Nazarene pastors and shared in the responsibilities of their pastorates. In fact, as some will recall, John's parents pastored in Carthage, SD a few years after my parents had pastored the same church. We even attended the same school at the same building but at different time frames.

[Mark Woodward]

That's true if they're teaching sound doctrine.

How do we define sound Doctrine? I have recently come out of some meetings where someone is opening the word and think "Wow, this is really not what Nazarenes with our Wesleyan influence believe! Meet others in the foyer who say - "wasn't that wonderful" and I think no it wasn't! It is not what we believe. Any way, one mans sound doctrine seems to be anothers liberal leanings?

[Ryan Scott]

Sound is in the eye of the beholder, perhaps.

[Greg Farra]

How do we define sound Doctrine? I have recently come out of some meetings where someone is opening the word and think "Wow, this is really not what Nazarenes with our Wesleyan influence believe! Meet others in the foyer who say - "wasn't that wonderful" and I think no it wasn't! It is not what we believe. Any way, one mans sound doctrine seems to be anothers liberal leanings?

Well, to open a huge can of worms, things like the Trinity, deity of Christ, salvation by grace alone, salvation by Christ alone. That's a good start. I came from a liberal mainline denomination that embraced universalism, homosexuality and feminist theology. If we would follow their lead, we'd see the denomination fold so fast our heads would spin.

[Crystal Lutton]

My husband doesn't want to be a pastor--it's not his calling. He totally supports me in my calling, though, and makes sure I have the time to prepare for a service and he takes over with the children when we're there so I can do what I need to do. He's amazing :)

[John Kennedy]

Sound is in the eye of the beholder, perhaps.


I know you're using 'sound' in a different sense, but that statement would appear to break new ground in anatomy. It kind of reminded me of a geology prof I had at UT who, in commenting about some of the more esoteric cross sections sutdents drew based on straigraphic maps, said he had never fully realized how creative geology could be.