Music in Worship

[Dennis Bratcher]

A pastor asked me this question this week, and wondered what, if any, theological implications were involved.

What is the purpose of music in worship?

Grace and peace,

Dennis B.

[Charles W Christian]

Dennis -
Quickly I could refer people to the writings of Jeremy Begbie! He's a world class musician and a trained theologian. His book, Resounding Truth explores theological understandings of music through the ages. Powerful....

Also, I am reminded of the scene in The Magician's Nephew (Chronicles of Narnia) when the small group of people are allowed to be present for the creation of Narnia. Aslan creates Narnia -- by singing!

Thanks,
Charles

[Crystal Lutton]

My first thought is that it's presented as expected in the Psalms. "Enter into his gates with Thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise" and this was done with singing.

As a parent I know I love to hear my children sing to me :)

[Dennis Bratcher]

Dennis -
Quickly I could refer people to the writings of Jeremy Begbie! He's a world class musician and a trained theologian. His book, Resounding Truth explores theological understandings of music through the ages. Powerful....

Also, I am reminded of the scene in The Magician's Nephew (Chronicles of Narnia) when the small group of people are allowed to be present for the creation of Narnia. Aslan creates Narnia -- by singing!

I apologize but I realize that I asked the question very badly. The pastor's question really arose from the opposite direction. That is rather than asking about a theology of music, he was wondering what the theological implications might be of how we actually use music in the church. The specific context of the question, in a wider conversation, related to the experience of five minutes of Christian hard rock music played by a worship band at the end of a service of worship as people were leaving, and what that did to the community interaction that always happens following a service. What was its purpose? He talked about the difference between a choir and a worship team, and the difference between an orchestra and a band. I noted that in my recent experience rarely more than 20% of a congregation sings congregational songs at any given time.

The question then arose: what is the purpose of music in a service of worship? The easy theological answer is “praise.” But that doesn’t get to the heart of what he was asking. Praise is much too nebulous a concept to be of much use here. He was asking more specifically, what is the purpose or intended goal of how we use any particular piece of music at any particular place in a service of worship? Is it more emotional, cultural, psychological (mood), or spiritual? Does there have to be a specific purpose or does it just fit with what we want to do or feel needs to happen at the moment? If there is a purpose, what is it? And what makes that purpose legitimate or acceptable if placed in a theological framework (which of course relates to the larger question of a theology of worship)?

As a pastor I think he was asking whether there is any theological intentionality to how we use music in worship, or whether the reasons behind how we actually use music relate more directly to the culture of which we are a part and the personal preferences of the people and the leader. I do know that he did not have in mind any kind of worship wars. He was asking a much more positive question.

I’m not sure I asked this any better.

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Jon Twitchell]

Dennis,

I think that music is one of the ways that we bring our gifts (as a congregation) to God. In that regard, I think that our music choices ought to primarily flow out of who we are as a congregation.

For instance, I'd love to have a bass player-- but I'm not actively trying to recruit a bass player. However, if there were a bass player in the congregation, I think it would be important to utilize them. At the same time, if there were an organist in the congregation, I think it would be important to utilize them.

I tend to shy away from "Special Music," because I think that music should generally be a congregational experience (or a corporate act of worship). However, if there is a particular song that would reinforce the theme/message of the morning, I might ask someone to perform it as part of the service.

I'm not sure that did any better at responding to the question... but those are my initial thoughts on the topic! :)

[Charles W Christian]

I apologize but I realize that I asked the question very badly. The pastor's question really arose from the opposite direction. That is rather than asking about a theology of music, he was wondering what the theological implications might be of how we actually use music in the church. The specific context of the question, in a wider conversation, related to the experience of five minutes of Christian hard rock music played by a worship band at the end of a service of worship as people were leaving, and what that did to the community interaction that always happens following a service. What was its purpose? He talked about the difference between a choir and a worship team, and the difference between an orchestra and a band. I noted that in my recent experience rarely more than 20% of a congregation sings congregational songs at any given time.

The question then arose: what is the purpose of music in a service of worship? The easy theological answer is “praise.” But that doesn’t get to the heart of what he was asking. Praise is much too nebulous a concept to be of much use here. He was asking more specifically, what is the purpose or intended goal of how we use any particular piece of music at any particular place in a service of worship? Is it more emotional, cultural, psychological (mood), or spiritual? Does there have to be a specific purpose or does it just fit with what we want to do or feel needs to happen at the moment? If there is a purpose, what is it? And what makes that purpose legitimate or acceptable if placed in a theological framework (which of course relates to the larger question of a theology of worship)?

As a pastor I think he was asking whether there is any theological intentionality to how we use music in worship, or whether the reasons behind how we actually use music relate more directly to the culture of which we are a part and the personal preferences of the people and the leader. I do know that he did not have in mind any kind of worship wars. He was asking a much more positive question.

I’m not sure I asked this any better.

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

Dennis,
Thanks for the clarification. I hope I don't steer too far from what you're asking, but let me add something to the mix....

I think overall the approach to worship in most Nazarene churches are TOO focused upon music, and therefore people think only "music" when they hear the word "worship." Adding elements of participation to worship -- public reading of Scripture, confessions of faith, the Lord's Prayer, responsive reading/singing, etc. -- can increase participation in worship (esp. for those who aren't singers!) and can focus upon participating thematically as the Community of Faith, rather than focusing upon particular musical styles. So, that's the first thing I tend to emphasize with students preparing for ordination. It's also something we've emphasized here at NSCN where I pastor, and the response and participation has been great! This church is no longer having some of the "worship wars" they experienced before I arrived, praise the Lord! And, we use a variety of musical styles in our worship now, but we also emphasize a wider range of participation in worship.

Finally, since as you know I like lectionary preaching (and thematic emphases even if I'm not using the lectionary on rare occasions), I think the music should address the themes present in the Scriptures for the day. This can also take some of the focus away from "style" of music and place it upon the overall theme of experiencing God's Truth together as a community of faith. I simply don't want to attract people based upon worship style (this is a critique I have with some church growth movements within the Church). Instead, I want to provide avenues for God to speak in various ways around a Spirit-led theme in the worship time together. There's a difference. Music then becomes simply another tool (like the readings, the sermon, the offering, and the prayer, etc.) for God to encounter God's people through a specific theme of Scripture....

Thanks
Charles

[Ryan Scott]

I've heard lots of people say, "no one sings in church anymore," meaning something along the lines of your statement that no more than 20% of the congregation sings congregational songs. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. At least I don't view the purpose of the music as a chance for people to sing, but as a contribution to the overall message of the sermon. The words and music should be chosen to communicate a truth, just as truth is communicated in prayers, testimonies, sermons, communion, or whatever elements are in the service.

I sing most every song every week, but a vast majority of them are new to me every week and most of them are written in such a way that I sing the words without having the time to read the words and understand what I'm singing. When I do know the words, I worship in being able to affirm them with those around me, when I don't, it might be better for me to just read along and understand what is being said.

I guess I'm saying the proclamation of the songs should be more important than people singing them (so long as they are engaged in the songs, even just reading the words).

[Eric Frey]

I always view the music:

1) as a corporate prayer
2) as a response to what was just proclaimed.

We typically have two "sequences" one following the call to worship and one following the sermon. The first is tied generally to the liturgical season and specifically to the theme(s) of the psalm for the day. The second is generally tied to the liturgical season and specifically to the ideas in the sermon. The other place we have music is the offertory which is generally tied to the themes of the day and specifically tied to Thanksgiving.

[Susan Unger]

A pastor asked me this question this week, and wondered what, if any, theological implications were involved.

What is the purpose of music in worship?

Grace and peace,

Dennis B.

I had a pastor once who didn't concern himself with which musical style to follow but could God use it to speak to the people. I guess you could classify it as a "theme" oriented purpose in chosing the music.

[John Kennedy]

A contemporary hymn writer, Fred Pratt Green, penned these words that might have some relevance to the question at hand. The text was copyrighted by Hope Publishing in 1972 (and I hope I'm not violating some law by this posting)

When in our music, God is glorified, and adoration leaves no room for pride,
It is as though the whole creation cried: Alleluia!
How often making music we have found a new dimension in the world of sound,
As worship moved us to a more procound Alleluia!
So has the church in liturgy and song, in faith and love through centuries of wrong,
Borne witness to the truth in every tongue: Alleluia!
And did not Jesus sing a psalm that night when utmost evil strove against the light?
Then let us sing, for whom he won the fight: Alleluia!
Let every instrument be used for praise! Let all rejoice who have a voice to raise!
And may God give us faith to sing always: Alleluia!

I heard a Nazarene music educator once make the distinction between 'church music' and 'music in the church'. The saw the former as a purposeful use of song to complement and enhance Word and sacrament. The latter was just something to keep 'em occupied until the sermon.

The proponents of the latter point of view were highly incensed. Obviously, I think he was 100% right. Music, of whatever style, that doesn't help in sharpening the focus of worship, is, at best of little value.

[Dennis M. Scott]

An important part of music in worship is that it can be - is - a powerful tool for teaching theology. People will learn as much theology from music as from preaching; probably more. It therefore is important that our singing include good theology.

[Jamie Wayne]

An important part of music in worship is that it can be - is - a powerful tool for teaching theology. People will learn as much theology from music as from preaching; probably more. It therefore is important that our singing include good theology.

Chuck (Wesley) certainly thought so!

I wholeheartedly agree, especially in a time when most were illiterate and/or books were expensive. How many recall that "Jesus love me, this I know" from a song?

Not only that, but I was talking to a friend in the Church of Christ, where they do not affirm the historic Creeds, and the first time he heard of the Trinity was singing, "God in three Persons, Blessed Trinity" in another denomination.

[Dennis Bratcher]

I think that music is one of the ways that we bring our gifts (as a congregation) to God. In that regard, I think that our music choices ought to primarily flow out of who we are as a congregation.

For instance, I'd love to have a bass player-- but I'm not actively trying to recruit a bass player. However, if there were a bass player in the congregation, I think it would be important to utilize them. At the same time, if there were an organist in the congregation, I think it would be important to utilize them.


On one level I totally agree with this idea. I have been in too many churches, and seen too many college music professors, that thought only professional musicians and vocalists should “perform” in a church service.

On the other hand, I have had a lot of experience on the other side as well. Some were admittedly difficult situations. In one very small church (20-30) a mildly mentally handicapped young man was allowed to play the drums for service. That was the only instrument besides the piano. He played, and very loudly, for everything, including offertory and prayer chorus. In other words, the only “music” was loud drums. The rationale was that this is the only way this young man could worship. And, since a previous pastor had allowed him to do this, the present pastor was afraid that if they changed, his mother and others would be offended and stop attending church.

Admittedly, a severe example. But the question still arises: Is the purpose of music in worship to allow us to showcase particular talents, even if offered as “gifts?” And if this is done as a congregation, what about those who have no music gifts, especially if the “worship” is primarily geared around music? (I realize that this is “one of the ways” we bring our gifts to God in worship.)

I do agree that the music should flow out of the life of the congregation (Africans sing much different music and in different ways than Americans). But I’m not sure that gets at the purpose of music.

I tend to shy away from "Special Music," because I think that music should generally be a congregational experience (or a corporate act of worship). However, if there is a particular song that would reinforce the theme/message of the morning, I might ask someone to perform it as part of the service.

This gets to purpose a little closer. In this specific example, music is used to serve the sermon and Scripture (it would not necessarily have to be “special music”). So what is the purpose of the rest of the music in a service of worship?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Dennis Bratcher]

An important part of music in worship is that it can be - is - a powerful tool for teaching theology. People will learn as much theology from music as from preaching; probably more. It therefore is important that our singing include good theology.

I agree that it can be. As Jamie noted Charles Wesley, Luther, and many of the Reformers certainly thought so, as well as the classic hymn writers of the Church (for example, Resurrection, St. John of Damascus; The Glory of These Forty Days, St. Gregory; Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence, St. James). It was also true for many of the holines pioneers, whether or not they communicated very sound theology (for example, Fanny Crosby and Phoebe Palmer Knapp).

The question is whether we actually do that. What is the purpose in how we actually use music in worship today? Is there a real sense that the purpose of music in worship today is to teach theology?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Dennis Bratcher]

Dennis,
Thanks for the clarification. I hope I don't steer too far from what you're asking, but let me add something to the mix....

I think overall the approach to worship in most Nazarene churches are TOO focused upon music, and therefore people think only "music" when they hear the word "worship." Adding elements of participation to worship -- public reading of Scripture, confessions of faith, the Lord's Prayer, responsive reading/singing, etc. -- can increase participation in worship (esp. for those who aren't singers!) and can focus upon participating thematically as the Community of Faith, rather than focusing upon particular musical styles. So, that's the first thing I tend to emphasize with students preparing for ordination. It's also something we've emphasized here at NSCN where I pastor, and the response and participation has been great! This church is no longer having some of the "worship wars" they experienced before I arrived, praise the Lord! And, we use a variety of musical styles in our worship now, but we also emphasize a wider range of participation in worship.

Finally, since as you know I like lectionary preaching (and thematic emphases even if I'm not using the lectionary on rare occasions), I think the music should address the themes present in the Scriptures for the day. This can also take some of the focus away from "style" of music and place it upon the overall theme of experiencing God's Truth together as a community of faith. I simply don't want to attract people based upon worship style (this is a critique I have with some church growth movements within the Church). Instead, I want to provide avenues for God to speak in various ways around a Spirit-led theme in the worship time together. There's a difference. Music then becomes simply another tool (like the readings, the sermon, the offering, and the prayer, etc.) for God to encounter God's people through a specific theme of Scripture

OK, so if I hear you correctly, you tend to see music in worship as a tool to serve or reinforce the theme of the service established by the Scripture readings and therefore the sermon. The purpose of music is to provide one avenue among others for people to focus on a (Spirit-led) theme or topic for the day with the overarching goal of encountering God (however we might define that)? Did I hear that too narrowly? Would this extend to prayer choruses (if you use them), offertory, prelude, postlude? Or do you see those as different categories of music in worship?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Jon Twitchell]

One of the purposes is "Community."

When we do something together--from the most sacred (breaking bread and sharing wine) to the mundane (church softball), community is formed. The act of standing and singing together builds community.

[Charles W Christian]

OK, so if I hear you correctly, you tend to see music in worship as a tool to serve or reinforce the theme of the service established by the Scripture readings and therefore the sermon. The purpose of music is to provide one avenue among others for people to focus on a (Spirit-led) theme or topic for the day with the overarching goal of encountering God (however we might define that)? Did I hear that too narrowly? Would this extend to prayer choruses (if you use them), offertory, prelude, postlude? Or do you see those as different categories of music in worship?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

Dennis -
I think it would extend to any music used in worship. I don't think, by the way, that it has to be overly formulaic (even though my post may have sounded that way), but my point is that music is part of the many wonderful tools that we as the community of faith are given to help us experience God and learn about God.

Thanks,
Charles

[Dennis Bratcher]

I've heard lots of people say, "no one sings in church anymore," meaning something along the lines of your statement that no more than 20% of the congregation sings congregational songs. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. At least I don't view the purpose of the music as a chance for people to sing, but as a contribution to the overall message of the sermon. The words and music should be chosen to communicate a truth, just as truth is communicated in prayers, testimonies, sermons, communion, or whatever elements are in the service.

I sing most every song every week, but a vast majority of them are new to me every week and most of them are written in such a way that I sing the words without having the time to read the words and understand what I'm singing. When I do know the words, I worship in being able to affirm them with those around me, when I don't, it might be better for me to just read along and understand what is being said.

I guess I'm saying the proclamation of the songs should be more important than people singing them (so long as they are engaged in the songs, even just reading the words).

Then why have congregational singing at all? Would not Scripture reading, reciting the creeds, and hearing the sermon accomplish that just as well? If singing is not the point, then it seems that the time spent singing could be used more productively doing something else.

I sing most every song every week, but a vast majority of them are new to me every week and most of them are written in such a way that I sing the words without having the time to read the words and understand what I'm singing. When I do know the words, I worship in being able to affirm them with those around me, when I don't, it might be better for me to just read along and understand what is being said.

I think this is a serious critique of how many churches use music today. 1) What is the purpose in having a “vast majority” of songs new each week? 2) What is the purpose in singing songs that sound good as a solo but are virtually unsingable for a congregation?

So, generally, you see the purpose of music in worship as a way, along with other elements of the service, of reinforcing or teaching truths about God. Is that a fair assessment?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Jon Twitchell]

One of the purposes is "Mood Setting."

Perhaps it has been a difficult week for the community, and I want to acknowledge that, without lingering there--done carefully, music can help us transition from prayer or testimony into a spirit of thanksgiving.

[Dennis Bratcher]

Dennis -
I think it would extend to any music used in worship. I don't think, by the way, that it has to be overly formulaic (even though my post may have sounded that way), but my point is that music is part of the many wonderful tools that we as the community of faith are given to help us experience God and learn about God.

I didn't hear it as formulaic. And I should emphasize that nothing I have asked has anything to do with style of music. That is where the worship wars are being fought. Style of music only enters this as it relates to purpose. If a certain style of music, whether it is contemporary Christian rock or classical organ-based anthems or Gregorian chants, is used solely for its style, then the question of purpose applies. If the purpose is to use a certain style for its own sake, then I think we have something to talk about in relation to style.

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Jon Twitchell]

Another purpose might be "Ritual"

While this goes along with "Community Building," Ritual is beneficial in our lives... For instance, the Doxology after the offering, or a prayer chorus as people come to the altar. These both help us recognize the various components of the service, as we respond to the ritual / liturgy.

[Ryan Scott]

Then why have congregational singing at all? Would not Scripture reading, reciting the creeds, and hearing the sermon accomplish that just as well? If singing is not the point, then it seems that the time spent singing could be used more productively doing something else.



I think this is a serious critique of how many churches use music today. 1) What is the purpose in having a “vast majority” of songs new each week? 2) What is the purpose in singing songs that sound good as a solo but are virtually unsingable for a congregation?

So, generally, you see the purpose of music in worship as a way, along with other elements of the service, of reinforcing or teaching truths about God. Is that a fair assessment?


I think your summary of Charles' post put it better than your summary of mine. There is a specific focus in the service, some message being communicated. The music should be pointing to the same thing. Even in a prayer chorus or any other music, it should be designed for the same purpose.

As for the congregation singing. I've never heard any song leader tell people they had to sing, they've been invited to participate. I don't think there should be any music people aren't invited to participate in, so long as they do so in an orderly manner.

[Gina Stevenson]

A contemporary hymn writer, Fred Pratt Green, penned these words that might have some relevance to the question at hand. The text was copyrighted by Hope Publishing in 1972 (and I hope I'm not violating some law by this posting)

When in our music, God is glorified, and adoration leaves no room for pride,
It is as though the whole creation cried: Alleluia! ...............
Thanks! A keeper [so, I did]. ;)

I heard a Nazarene music educator once make the distinction between 'church music' and 'music in the church'. The saw the former as a purposeful use of song to complement and enhance Word and sacrament. The latter was just something to keep 'em occupied until the sermon.
We've all seen/heard this ... maybe it's due to being a musician, but when I had anything to say in helping pick the music, I tended to want to know what the sermon topic/scripture was, too, to coordinate, rather than just have music for music's sake [tho' I love music!], that may or may not relate to the topic at hand. When related, there's a smoother flow, it seems.[trying to get the "quote" marks right/correct an error, this cursor/arrow thing is again driving me nutso! :eek:]

An important part of music in worship is that it can be - is - a powerful tool for teaching theology. People will learn as much theology from music as from preaching; probably more. It therefore is important that our singing include good theology.
Yes, one thing that came to mind was, "And Can It Be?" along w/several others. As a writer, I'm always very careful, and comb through words, trying to make sure they're understood as I meant them, and not written in such a way that they can be taken/understood incorrectly. I'm a stickler for "good theology," rather than something that might not seem so, in lyrics.

The question is whether we actually do that. What is the purpose in how we actually use music in worship today? Is there a real sense that the purpose of music in worship today is to teach theology?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

"YES" and "NO." Just as sermons might give forth theology, they also use illustrations, testimonies ... things that "put flesh on" the theological idea, helping clarify ... and helping folks' memories ... so they may take something home with them. So, yes, some of my songs do contain some testimonials ... some theology ... some stories ... some praise, and are not all "theological" throughout.

One of the purposes is "Mood Setting."
For sure! The Psalms do not tell us to sing praises for some perfunctory purpose ... the Lord made us emotional creatures, as well as intellectual, spiritual, et al, and music definitely speaks to parts of us that words alone just do not seem to as adequately address.

Perhaps it has been a difficult week for the community, and I want to acknowledge that, without lingering there--done carefully, music can help us transition from prayer or testimony into a spirit of thanksgiving.
Amen! ;)

[Jamie Wayne]

The question is whether we actually do that. What is the purpose in how we actually use music in worship today? Is there a real sense that the purpose of music in worship today is to teach theology?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

I wish that there was a real sense that at least one purpose of music, generally speaking, in worship today is to teach theology.

Since doctrine generally follows worship, the lack of theological content in worship is telling as to what we do believe - and I mean this in the broader sense of worship, not just in terms of "music."

For example, if our worship doesn't include Creeds, for example, doesn't that say something about what we believe about Creeds?

Using that same example of using Creeds as worship, I wonder for how many people professing a Creed is seen as an act of worship, anyway - and what does that say about what we believe about both worship and doctrine?

Maybe this is one of the reasons why I get so excited with the "thrice Holy" songs, and Trinitarian worship more generally, because it is a strong affirmation of the heart of God, and that sort of worship is so strongly doctrinal - whether it sets a mood, or rouses hearts and minds or not.

The question, really, is whether or not worship is about us or whether it's about the Living God. If we believe that worship is truly about God, then our worship should reflect that, because if our worship does not reflect that worship is truly about God - and not us - then there's a serious problem.

[Bruce Carriker]

I can speak only for myself, but when I plan worship, we sing at the following times:

1. Call to Worship...which is exactly what it says it is. A time for, as our Quaker friends would say, 'centering down'...a reminder of why we've come together in this time, in this place.

2. In our liturgy, we read three of the lectionary lessons - OT, Epistle, Gospel. Following each of the lessons we sing, as a corporate response to God's Word. This could certainly be done in other forms, too. Music is not the only way, but it is one way.

3. The Psalm is usually done as a responsive reading, followed by a hymn.

4. Sometimes...not always...we sing after the homily...as our corporate response to the preached Word.

I try very, very hard to find hymns that fit the Scriptural texts. They are not just "filler till sermon time". Sometimes, I will find poems, or old texts to unfamiliar hymns which fit the Scriptural text and have a meter that matches a familiar hymn. I'll explain to the congregation, here are the words...they go with this tune.

Worship must involve the entire congregation, not just the folks on the platform. And the music is part of the worship event...not just a time to sing songs we like. Everything fits together...sometimes better than others.

Like I said earlier, there are other ways that you can involve the congregation, but music seems to work well. And if it was good enough for David, who am I to change things?

[Gina Stevenson]

Maybe this is one of the reasons why I get so excited with the "thrice Holy" songs, and Trinitarian worship more generally, because it is a strong affirmation of the heart of God, and that sort of worship is so strongly doctrinal - whether it sets a mood, or rouses hearts and minds or not.

The question, really, is whether or not worship is about us or whether it's about the Living God. If we believe that worship is truly about God, then our worship should reflect that, because if our worship does not reflect that worship is truly about God - and not us - then there's a serious problem.

Not sure if this is directed at my comment that God gave us emotions as one aspect of our being, or not. But, anyway, you're right that worship is about God. yet what is God "about"? He's into not just His being lauded, but He's "about" a relationship with us, as much as we're to be "into" a relationship with Him, & not just "into" religion. So, perhaps He even invented music ... then suggested we use it for praise/worship ... knowing that, according to the way He made us, even this might facilitate the relationship He desires with us, just as we're to desire Him. [not wishing to be argumentative here, but just thinking some more aloud, trying to not discredit ... or at least too much ... the emotional side of ourmake-up].

Welcome back, BTW, Jamie. ;)

[Mark Metcalfe]

Several folks have criticized "special music" as something that the congregation cannot participate in and therefore should be diminished or eliminated from our modern worship experience. I do not agree.

I know that "special music" has been a platform for some people to "perform" but the pulpit has sometimes been used by speakers in similar ways.

Special music can communicate a message just as effectively as a 40-minute sermon. All music need not be sung by the congregation.

I do agree that music should present a theme or message or focus to the worship, coordinated with the worship leader who, we hope, is in tune with what God has to say to the congregation each week, and not only in tune with what the congregation has to say to God each week.

What I have not seen much in this discussion is the effects of music on the brain, although Dennis Scott probably touched on the effects of music on people. Singing and chanting are ways to inculcate a message and to reinforce patterns we want to reinforce, such as devotion, remembrance, and love.

Mark...

...who will be singing special music the next two Sundays in two different churches. My purpose is to find the right message to bring to complement what the preacher will be bringing to the congregation. This Sunday: His Eye is on the Sparrow.

[Chris Patton]

I would have to say, contra Jamie, that many people do not see worship as being about God. Thus the incredible focus on it in some churches. I have heard people mention the emotional part of music that "helps us worship." But this seems to focus, again, on us not God.

[Gina Stevenson]

What I have not seen much in this discussion is the effects of music on the brain, although Dennis Scott probably touched on the effects of music on people. Singing and chanting are ways to inculcate a message and to reinforce patterns we want to reinforce, such as devotion, remembrance, and love.

Mark...

...who will be singing special music the next two Sundays in two different churches. My purpose is to find the right message to bring to complement what the preacher will be bringing to the congregation. This Sunday: His Eye is on the Sparrow.

Is not there a portion of our brain that controls/registers the emotional aspects of our lives? So, I did -- just as Dennis -- mention it, while not using the word "brain." :rolleyes:

Anyway, about that "His Eye is on the Sparrow" ... you'll record, & post it here, right? :)

[Mark Metcalfe]

Is not there a portion of our brain that controls/registers the emotional aspects of our lives? So, I did -- just as Dennis -- mention it, while not using the word "brain." :rolleyes:

Anyway, about that "His Eye is on the Sparrow" ... you'll record, & post it here, right? :)

Sorry, I was in skim mode when the inspiration hit me. I want to make my statement even stronger about "special music" having a meaningful purpose in the worship experience.

George Beverly Shea taught a whole generation how to sing How Great thou Art incorrectly (musically that is).

Like an aroma that can bring back a memory decades past, music reinforces, remembers, and encourages. I cannot sing He Hideth My Soul without thinking of Esther Williamson, nor He Lifted Me without thinking of my grandparents (song evangelists), nor He Giveth More Grace without thinking of Jack Cove, nor His Eye is on the Sparrow without thinking of Marion Janes.

All of these people were special singers who brought their life's testimony to people through song.

Also, who among us is not "entertained" by inspirational music in our cars and iPods (or every sort of musical style). Does it not at times draw us closer to God as inspiration, just as reading scripture can also inspire? When does entertainment cross over into worship? Some people have talent to bring to the altar, to be used to inspire others (When God is Near), to comfort others (Does Jesus Care?), to encourage others (Submission). Their inspirational talent should not be left only in the congregation.

Mark

[Ryan Scott]

I wish that there was a real sense that at least one purpose of music, generally speaking, in worship today is to teach theology.


I agree, the problem is finding people to write music that can be understood while it is being sung and learned.

I mentioned earlier my problem singing along with the music at church. It is usually hymns chosen specifically for their lyrical content. I think that's great. The problem, as I said before, is that in singing the words, they go by too fast for me to comprehend their meaning. I tend to avoid singing so I can read the words and get what they're trying to convey.

Ideally we'd have music that communicates clearly in a way people can readily understand and still pick up well enough to sing.

[Jon Twitchell]

Several folks have criticized "special music" as something that the congregation cannot participate in and therefore should be diminished or eliminated from our modern worship experience. I do not agree.

I know that "special music" has been a platform for some people to "perform" but the pulpit has sometimes been used by speakers in similar ways.

Special music can communicate a message just as effectively as a 40-minute sermon. All music need not be sung by the congregation.

I do agree that music should present a theme or message or focus to the worship, coordinated with the worship leader who, we hope, is in tune with what God has to say to the congregation each week, and not only in tune with what the congregation has to say to God each week.

What I have not seen much in this discussion is the effects of music on the brain, although Dennis Scott probably touched on the effects of music on people. Singing and chanting are ways to inculcate a message and to reinforce patterns we want to reinforce, such as devotion, remembrance, and love.

Mark...

...who will be singing special music the next two Sundays in two different churches. My purpose is to find the right message to bring to complement what the preacher will be bringing to the congregation. This Sunday: His Eye is on the Sparrow.


Just to clarify--since I may have been the one to bring up "special music."

I don't have a problem with special music, per se. I have a problem with churches that try to find someone to do special music because that's what we're supposed to do after the prayer time. (Or whatever). If "Special Music" just becomes a spot to fill in the order of service, and has little (or nothing) to do with anything else that takes place...that's when I question its value.

[Susan Unger]

An important part of music in worship is that it can be - is - a powerful tool for teaching theology. People will learn as much theology from music as from preaching; probably more. It therefore is important that our singing include good theology.

I whole heartedly concur. I heard some bizarre sermons growing up. But looking back on that time, I think I still ended up on the right path cuz of the songs that we'd sing. The songs had good theology that even a child could understand while the sermons were out to lunch.

[Marsha Lynn]

A personal note:

My heart has always responded to music. From the time I was in 3rd grade to 5th, our pastor often closed the service with "Softly and tenderly Jesus is calling... calling, 'O sinner, come home.'" I may not have heard a word of the sermon, but that song would get me every time. The conviction I felt then was as real as any I have experienced since in response to sermon or prayer or any other aspect of a worship service. Assuming that our response to God involves emotion as well as our more rational side, I think music can stir our hearts to make such a response.

Marsha

[Marsha Lynn]

For the past year, I have been directly involved in planning the music portion of the service. I developed some goals with a little help from my friends.


Worship -- prompting those present to bow down and worship God
Orchestrated -- having thought and planning behind it
Responsive -- incorporating the expressed desires of the worshippers
Sensory -- involving as many senses as possible (a weak point at the moment)
Holy -- aware of being in the presence of God
Inclusive -- having an awareness of the cultural diversity in the congregation, even if that diversity is only in age or personal preferences
Participatory -- involving all who desire to participate


We have a "worship planning team" meeting once a month. Anyone can be on that team (part of the responsive, inclusive, and participatory goals). Lately, there have been just five of us, but I think we may pick up a few more in the coming months. Our pastor comes with sermon topics and scripture for a month. We read through the scripture and choose songs that go along with the sermon. Our goal is to limit the number of songs we use. (One of my mantras is, "Old songs are new songs to new people." If we haven't done it in a year, there's a good chance that there will be people in the congregation have never heard it.) We try to have at least one "comfortable" song every week -- a song from the hymnal that has been part of the church's repertoire for the past 60 years (i.e. campmeeting music) or since Bill Gaither wrote it. I don't want there to ever be a Sunday when the old-timers can walk away and say, "We didn't sing a single song this morning that I know and like."

We have a ways to go, but in the past couple of years we have transitioned from doing the old gospel music out of the hymnal with piano and organ to a blend of new and old (and older) music with piano, organ/keyboard, bass guitar, and most recently 12-string acoustic and a vocal ensemble. We've added a projector and screen but include the page in the hymnal for any song that's in there. (Quite a few people use the books when they can.) We try to introduce new songs gradually and give people a chance to learn them.

The 20% participation number seems a little low, although I do observe from the piano that there are many people who don't sing. Still, I hope and pray that the commitments made by song sink into the hearts of those singing as well as those listening in and reading the words. Based on the testimonies at the end of the song service, I think those prayers are being answered.

I would say that one weakness is in not having more readings to supplement the music. Not everyone can sing but most adults can read.

As far as "special music," we vary between asking someone to sing a selection of their choice and matching a singer with a song that goes with the sermon but isn't known by the congregation or wouldn't be easy for them to sing.

We're not there yet in music, but I am amazed by how few complaints there have been as we have restructured the song service and added so much new music. I think it really does contribute to the worship experience.

Marsha

[Wayne Paul]

I whole heartedly concur. I heard some bizarre sermons growing up. But looking back on that time, I think I still ended up on the right path cuz of the songs that we'd sing. The songs had good theology that even a child could understand while the sermons were out to lunch.

Susan has a point. I have only read a dozen or so John Wesley sermons in my lifetime. However, Charles Wesley's hymns impact my spiritual life every Sunday. I am sure I am not alone. So, which brother has the largest impact on today's church?

I can sit here and resite the words from a multiple Wesley hymns whos theology uplifts and encourages me. Yet there are few sermons heard in a lifetime attending church that I remember. With all respect to my former and current pastors, I can easily say the hymns of the church have impacted my life more then preaching.

Music brings me peace, uplifts my spirits, and draws me closer to God.

[Zach Wingo]

I have two thoughts.

First, not everyone gets music. I've grown up in church my entire life...in fact for 6 years almost every single Sunday I did the words for worship. Guess what....I can't think of a single song that I remember all the lyrics for. Not a single one. I own 1 CD and I've only bought 3 in my lifetime. I'm just not much of a music person.

Second, although I'm not a music person, it does play a role in worship for me. For me, I personally think a big part of music that is underestimated is just quiet time with no singing or talking...just music. I'm not a singer, I don't even sing when I'm alone...so I'm not one who really get's into worshiping through singing...but music plays an important role when it's just the music because it allow me time to pray and worship in other ways.

[Mark Metcalfe]

Anyway, about that "His Eye is on the Sparrow" ... you'll record, & post it here, right? :)

Can you post links to MP3 here? I have never tried!
With your dial-up, though, I wonder if it would be more of a frustration.

[Marsha Lynn]

Style of music only enters this as it relates to purpose. If a certain style of music, whether it is contemporary Christian rock or classical organ-based anthems or Gregorian chants, is used solely for its style, then the question of purpose applies. If the purpose is to use a certain style for its own sake, then I think we have something to talk about in relation to style.

As I noted earlier, we do consider style in an attempt to offer music that facilitates worship/response for everyone in the congregation. As a community with different musical preferences, none of us can expect to be drawn into every song every Sunday. We try to avoid the extremes in all directions (not too loud, not too heavy rock, not too cheesy campmeeting songs, not too twangy gospel) while providing variety.

Our 21-year-old 12-string guitarist is coming to us for the summer from a very different church background. He knows few of the songs we're putting in front of him. A couple of weeks ago we had our usual mix of new and old. After practice on Monday, I asked what he thought of the selections. He liked most of the contemporary songs except a particular one which he had encountered before in an unpleasant situation, didn't particularly care for "Deeper, Deeper" from the hymnal, wasn't real taken by one of the dated choruses.

I was pleasantly surprised after the service on Sunday when he told me that he truly enjoyed all of the music that morning, even "Deeper, Deeper". That doesn't necessarily translate into a deep encounter with God, but it does support the idea that a music program that intentionally seeks diversity to match the congregation doesn't necessarily end up pleasing no one in its attempt to please everyone.

Marsha

[Marsha Lynn]

I have been in too many churches, and seen too many college music professors, that thought only professional musicians and vocalists should “perform” in a church service.

On the other hand, I have had a lot of experience on the other side as well. Some were admittedly difficult situations...

Is the purpose of music in worship to allow us to showcase particular talents, even if offered as “gifts?” And if this is done as a congregation, what about those who have no music gifts, especially if the “worship” is primarily geared around music? ...

This gets to purpose a little closer. In this specific example, music is used to serve the sermon and Scripture (it would not necessarily have to be “special music”). So what is the purpose of the rest of the music in a service of worship?

I sort of butchered this quote, but wanted to comment specifically on the purpose of "special" music in the small church.

I think the small church serves as a sort of "farm team" as far as special music. We don't expect perfect. In fact, perfect comes across to us as showy. We simply want people to offer their talents to the Lord. Just as we have raised up multiple young preachers across the years, listening to painful first sermons and encouraging them as they develop their preaching skills, we also enjoy hearing developing musicians, even in the early, painful stages. It's our gift as a congregation to the young people among us and their gift to us. And I can't think of any painful music exposure that was ongoing. Either the musician got better or else they were gently steered in other directions, even if just to the back row of the choir.

Not all of our "special music" is conducive to worship in and of itself. In fact, many times it isn't at all. Sometimes it is done by people who are far too self-conscious to effectively escort us into the presence of God, particularly when done by children and teens. Sometimes the style of music isn't a good fit for the congregation. And yet ... when we listen attentively to our young people and applaud their efforts, it is an act of worship. We are celebrating the unique contribution each one brings into our midst. We are building up the church by allowing space for people to develop their talents.

To get personal again: I play the piano. I'm not polished enough to be considered professional, but I can play moderately advanced piano arrangements in a passable manner. I will be performing with my brothers and our children in a few weeks. However, I never play arrangements at church. Rather, I join with other instruments to play songs that the congregation knows or that we're introducing in the next few weeks. (For offertories, we put the words on the screen and can often hear people singing along.) In the rare times when the other instruments are all missing, I try to play simple songs well. ("Make Me a Servant" is a favorite for those times.) That's mostly because I want the focus to be on God, not on my skills. But it's also because I would like to find someone else to share the piano duties with me and want people to know that one doesn't have to be able to do fancy arrangements to fill that role. Doing simple music well rather than giving in to the pull toward impressive performance is again an act of worship, of leaving space for others to excel, of giving up the spotlight. Our best singers are likewise given no greater exposure than those with less experience. Everyone has a place and value in the music program.

I'm not saying that everyone should follow those same guidelines, but I do think that worship involves far more than the lyrics, style, or quality of the music. In music, we celebrate and affirm each other by joining our hearts, our voices, and instrumental sounds together in praise to God.

Marsha

[Dennis Bratcher]

I sort of butchered this quote, but wanted to comment specifically on the purpose of "special" music in the small church.

I think the small church serves as a sort of "farm team" as far as special music. We don't expect perfect. In fact, perfect comes across to us as showy. We simply want people to offer their talents to the Lord. Just as we have raised up multiple young preachers across the years, listening to painful first sermons and encouraging them as they develop their preaching skills, we also enjoy hearing developing musicians, even in the early, painful stages. It's our gift as a congregation to the young people among us and their gift to us. And I can't think of any painful music exposure that was ongoing. Either the musician got better or else they were gently steered in other directions, even if just to the back row of the choir.

Not all of our "special music" is conducive to worship in and of itself. In fact, many times it isn't at all. Sometimes it is done by people who are far too self-conscious to effectively escort us into the presence of God, particularly when done by children and teens. Sometimes the style of music isn't a good fit for the congregation. And yet ... when we listen attentively to our young people and applaud their efforts, it is an act of worship. We are celebrating the unique contribution each one brings into our midst. We are building up the church by allowing space for people to develop their talents.

To get personal again: I play the piano. I'm not polished enough to be considered professional, but I can play moderately advanced piano arrangements in a passable manner. I will be performing with my brothers and our children in a few weeks. However, I never play arrangements at church. Rather, I join with other instruments to play songs that the congregation knows or that we're introducing in the next few weeks. (For offertories, we put the words on the screen and can often hear people singing along.) In the rare times when the other instruments are all missing, I try to play simple songs well. ("Make Me a Servant" is a favorite for those times.) That's mostly because I want the focus to be on God, not on my skills. But it's also because I would like to find someone else to share the piano duties with me and want people to know that one doesn't have to be able to do fancy arrangements to fill that role. Doing simple music well rather than giving in to the pull toward impressive performance is again an act of worship, of leaving space for others to excel, of giving up the spotlight. Our best singers are likewise given no greater exposure than those with less experience. Everyone has a place and value in the music program.

I'm not saying that everyone should follow those same guidelines, but I do think that worship involves far more than the lyrics, style, or quality of the music. In music, we celebrate and affirm each other by joining our hearts, our voices, and instrumental sounds together in praise to God.

Thanks for the thoughts. So, if I were to state this in terms of purpose of the music, would it be fair to say that part of the purpose of music in worship is to allow people to contribute to community worship by participating in the music, as well as nurturing and encouraging young people to be involved in the music as an act of worship. In terms of the music itself, its purpose is to celebrate and affirm each other in community as it offers corporate praise to God. Please feel free to correct that if it’s not what you said or meant.

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Dennis Bratcher]

I always view the music:

1) as a corporate prayer
2) as a response to what was just proclaimed.

We typically have two "sequences" one following the call to worship and one following the sermon. The first is tied generally to the liturgical season and specifically to the theme(s) of the psalm for the day. The second is generally tied to the liturgical season and specifically to the ideas in the sermon. The other place we have music is the offertory which is generally tied to the themes of the day and specifically tied to Thanksgiving.

This highlights the difference between how music functions in liturgical traditions and how it tends to function in low-church and evangelical traditions. Much of liturgical music is responsive; that is, it is offered as a response to a specific part of the liturgy, such the reading of Scripture, the homily, or even the offering. In most liturgical worship, music is specifically structured to be a part of the overall liturgy, either related to the season of the Church year or related to the focus from the lectionary readings for the day.

Sometimes music is preparatory or introductory, such as Eucharistic hymns or songs like “These Forty Days” before confessional prayers of Lent. I have been in a Catholic service where music (led by Benedictine brothers with guitars) was used as a call to worship.

So, from this perspective, the purpose of music in worship is to enhance and support the themes and message of the overall liturgy (Season, Scripture, etc.) for that particular Sunday.

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Jamie Wayne]

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Not sure if this is directed at my comment that God gave us emotions as one aspect of our being, or not. But, anyway, you're right that worship is about God. yet what is God "about"? He's into not just His being lauded, but He's "about" a relationship with us, as much as we're to be "into" a relationship with Him, & not just "into" religion. So, perhaps He even invented music ... then suggested we use it for praise/worship ... knowing that, according to the way He made us, even this might facilitate the relationship He desires with us, just as we're to desire Him. [not wishing to be argumentative here, but just thinking some more aloud, trying to not discredit ... or at least too much ... the emotional side of ourmake-up].

My comment was in no way specifically directed at you, Gina; in fact, a very strong argument for the emotional side of worship can and should be made, because if we do not come before the Almighty, Sovereign God of all of creation with fear and trembling and love and respect and confusion and a billion other emotions, then there's something wrong with our worship, too. Love is not an emotion, it's a decision, a commitment, etc..., but love demands some sort of emotional response, doesn't it?

Here's a thought: if we truly came before God as Almighty, Sovereign God of all of creation, might we not simply lay prostrate on the floor before Him in utter silence? Could that be considered worship? Could that be considered a "proper" emotional response? Clapping is good, too, and so is joy and excitement, but sometimes I wonder if we've made God our "Father" and Jesus our "Brother" so much that we forget that it's not always a party, but sometimes it's a throne room before the Most High King. Does that make sense? I'm looking for a balance of emotions, I guess, but emotions, nonetheless, I would strongly argue.

On the other hand, we ought to be able to worship God even if we don't "feel" like it, and even when we aren't "emotional" about it. I see theological studies as worshiping God with my mind, and that's not always exciting (although sometimes intensely so!); feeding the hungry is an act of worship, too, and need not be a thoroughly emotional thing, either. The problem is when worship becomes about our emotions rather than our emotions being a response to who He is.


Welcome back, BTW, Jamie. ;)Thanks. :)

[Susan Unger]

I sort of butchered this quote, but wanted to comment specifically on the purpose of "special" music in the small church.

I think the small church serves as a sort of "farm team" as far as special music. We don't expect perfect. In fact, perfect comes across to us as showy. We simply want people to offer their talents to the Lord. Just as we have raised up multiple young preachers across the years, listening to painful first sermons and encouraging them as they develop their preaching skills, we also enjoy hearing developing musicians, even in the early, painful stages. It's our gift as a congregation to the young people among us and their gift to us. And I can't think of any painful music exposure that was ongoing. Either the musician got better or else they were gently steered in other directions, even if just to the back row of the choir.

Not all of our "special music" is conducive to worship in and of itself. In fact, many times it isn't at all. Sometimes it is done by people who are far too self-conscious to effectively escort us into the presence of God, particularly when done by children and teens. Sometimes the style of music isn't a good fit for the congregation. And yet ... when we listen attentively to our young people and applaud their efforts, it is an act of worship. We are celebrating the unique contribution each one brings into our midst. We are building up the church by allowing space for people to develop their talents.

To get personal again: I play the piano. I'm not polished enough to be considered professional, but I can play moderately advanced piano arrangements in a passable manner. I will be performing with my brothers and our children in a few weeks. However, I never play arrangements at church. Rather, I join with other instruments to play songs that the congregation knows or that we're introducing in the next few weeks. (For offertories, we put the words on the screen and can often hear people singing along.) In the rare times when the other instruments are all missing, I try to play simple songs well. ("Make Me a Servant" is a favorite for those times.) That's mostly because I want the focus to be on God, not on my skills. But it's also because I would like to find someone else to share the piano duties with me and want people to know that one doesn't have to be able to do fancy arrangements to fill that role. Doing simple music well rather than giving in to the pull toward impressive performance is again an act of worship, of leaving space for others to excel, of giving up the spotlight. Our best singers are likewise given no greater exposure than those with less experience. Everyone has a place and value in the music program.

I'm not saying that everyone should follow those same guidelines, but I do think that worship involves far more than the lyrics, style, or quality of the music. In music, we celebrate and affirm each other by joining our hearts, our voices, and instrumental sounds together in praise to God.

Marsha

Can't tell you how much I appreciate this. It reminds me [positively] of the church I grew up in. We had bizarre sermons and lots of legalism. But when it came to music, I think we did it right. We had good theology in the hymns and we had an openness in serving God through music like what you describe above. Thanks for reminding me of my good memories. :)

[Dennis Bratcher]

I have two thoughts.

First, not everyone gets music. I've grown up in church my entire life...in fact for 6 years almost every single Sunday I did the words for worship. Guess what....I can't think of a single song that I remember all the lyrics for. Not a single one. I own 1 CD and I've only bought 3 in my lifetime. I'm just not much of a music person.

Second, although I'm not a music person, it does play a role in worship for me. For me, I personally think a big part of music that is underestimated is just quiet time with no singing or talking...just music. I'm not a singer, I don't even sing when I'm alone...so I'm not one who really get's into worshiping through singing...but music plays an important role when it's just the music because it allow me time to pray and worship in other ways.

So, one of the purposes of music (without lyrics), at least for you, is to provide a time of meditation, reflection, and prayer. Do you see any purpose in the rest of the music with lyrics?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Dennis Bratcher]

One of the purposes is "Community." When we do something together--from the most sacred (breaking bread and sharing wine) to the mundane (church softball), community is formed. The act of standing and singing together builds community.

One of the purposes is "Mood Setting." Perhaps it has been a difficult week for the community, and I want to acknowledge that, without lingering there--done carefully, music can help us transition from prayer or testimony into a spirit of thanksgiving.

Another purpose might be "Ritual." . . . Ritual is beneficial in our lives... For instance, the Doxology after the offering, or a prayer chorus as people come to the altar. These both help us recognize the various components of the service, as we respond to the ritual / liturgy.

Your suggestions get to the purpose of how we use music. They suggest that music can have different immediate purposes at different points in the service, yet all relate to the overall practice of worship and the people’s participation and response.

Personally, I don’t like the idea of “mood,” since that is a far too subjective and psychological label. However, I think the need to meet people where they are in terms of circumstances and location is crucial, and I have often used music for this. It has always seemed extremely dishonest to me for a community or for a number of people in the service to have been in a serious crisis or circumstance during the week and then expect them to come and start worship by “praising” God for 30 minutes. The lament psalms, many of which are communal prayers used in worship, suggest that there is an important place for beginning with pain and confession and moving “out of the depths” (Psalm 130:1) to thanksgiving and doxology. If we begin with nothing but positive praise (laments are negative praise) there is then no “movement” to worship, and people are often left in the depths.

So I like the purpose; it just seems to me that it needs a better label. In traditional worship this is part of what is called the “Entrance,” the first movement of worship that begins with people coming together from where they are in life, moving to the recounting of God’s revelation and the people’s testimony in Scripture, and then to the celebration and praise of God in the Eucharist, concluding with scattering to serve in the world singing thanksgiving and doxology.

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

[Crystal Lutton]

I think overall the approach to worship in most Nazarene churches are TOO focused upon music, and therefore people think only "music" when they hear the word "worship." Adding elements of participation to worship -- public reading of Scripture, confessions of faith, the Lord's Prayer, responsive reading/singing, etc. -- can increase participation in worship (esp. for those who aren't singers!) and can focus upon participating thematically as the Community of Faith, rather than focusing upon particular musical styles. When I came into our leadership team I was asked what I wanted to take over for my part of the service. I immediately said "announcements" and to that has been offered the offering. This is exactly why. In the past, this was the "down" time of the service and no matter where we put it we had to try and get everyone back from where they sank and lift them up again to be tuned in for the message. I believe these are *part* of worship and I treat them as such.

As for what role music plays--I referred to the Psalm earlier that speaks of "entering into his gates with thanksgiving and into his courts with praise" and I think that is the purpose--it is *how* we enter into the presence of God. There is something about worship (all aspects of it) that brings us into where God is. We recently attempted a restructure of our service so that we went from what we bring in with us to where we are moved into the presence of God step by step and ready for the service. Not only did our service speed up but it's had many positive implications.

Music, though, plays a special role in this to many people. It's something we can bring to the altar, it's an expression of our giftings, it's a way to show love. I know I am moved by all sorts of music--even regular old songs on the radio. I'm a very emotional person who is artistic, etc. So when I'm singing thoughts that are focused on God--from a variety of "styles"--my whole soul focuses on the Lord. I tune into the upcoming message in a very different way. Sometimes for me it's an even more important part of the service than the actual message.

And not only am I tuned in more to the Lord--I find that during the time of worship God ministers to me in a very personal and intimate way. Many times I find myself releasing stresses from the week that I wouldn't think to ask for prayer for, sometimes I end up weeping in surrender through the entire music portion of the service. I've had specific songs speak to me about struggles I'm enduring, or reassure me of God's presence and Shalom in my life where I might be struggling with forgetting it in the midst of chaos at the door.

As for "style" of music--different things appeal to different people. I, personally, could not go to a service week after week that was singing from a hymnal. I know others who prefer that. I think we strike a good balance though of course our emphasis is music with a Messianic flavor--that's my favorite ;)

[Zach Wingo]

So, one of the purposes of music (without lyrics), at least for you, is to provide a time of meditation, reflection, and prayer. Do you see any purpose in the rest of the music with lyrics?

Grace and Peace,

Dennis B.

Yes, for me. I think providing that time in music is often ignored. It seems like people fear not talking (or singing). But certainly the rest of music play an important role for others, just not for me.

[Gina Stevenson]

Can you post links to MP3 here? I have never tried!
With your dial-up, though, I wonder if it would be more of a frustration.

Well, I find that these, tho' they also take awhile, DL easier than videos. So, I turn the sound off [so there's not a couple of words here ... silence ... a couple of more words ... silence ... & on & on. THEN, after it's all finished loading/DL'ing (whichever), then I can turn the sound back on & click "play." ;)

Now, as to Marsha's speaking of its being a time for those who need encouragement to contribute, I can see that. It's just when that "enduring" lasts for years from someone [again, no one in recent years that this refers to] who will be how they are "forever," well ... but I understand the difference. ;)

Then someone mentioned not just worshiping when one "feels" like it. Right. Therein is that "negative worship" of which Dennis spoke where we're in the midst (or so it sounded when reading it) of "dumping" things from our week/life at the Lord's table so we can be more positive, further into the service ... where it finally leads to thankfulness.

Just after Danny died, and I'd go to church not feeling like being there ... nor singing "joyfully" (tho' one of my passions is singing) ... it dawned on me when I'd try, & end up bawling instead, that herein I finally understood more fully that "sacrifice of praise" ... "sacrificing desolate feelings" to try and sing in spite of them ... praising despite "feelings." (who'd have "thunk" one could praise while so depressed/crying?)

[Mike Schutz]

I think the need to meet people where they are in terms of circumstances and location is crucial, and I have often used music for this. It has always seemed extremely dishonest to me for a community or for a number of people in the service to have been in a serious crisis or circumstance during the week and then expect them to come and start worship by “praising” God for 30 minutes. The lament psalms, many of which are communal prayers used in worship, suggest that there is an important place for beginning with pain and confession and moving “out of the depths” (Psalm 130:1) to thanksgiving and doxology. If we begin with nothing but positive praise (laments are negative praise) there is then no “movement” to worship, and people are often left in the depths.


Thanks for this point, Dennis. It is a frustration when using the Nazarene resources and what is often called "contemporary worship." Bringing in resources from other traditions can be a challenge that we must be willing to address, as many folks don't like to sing what they do not know - even if it is simply a musical arrangement of a biblical text. Some of the newer music being written attempts to unite the community in voicing the pain of life while proclaiming the journey of faith.

[Dennis Bratcher]

. . . unite the community in voicing the pain of life while proclaiming the journey of faith.

This is one of those "wish I'd said that" phrases. Thanks.

DB

[Linda Schroller]

Congregational singing IS participating in the service for many people.

Not everyone can preach, or read aloud before the assembled, or play an instrument, or sing well enough for the choir or a solo.

But when we sing, assuming we are singing lyrics that say something rather than "filler", we participate in the service.

And that is SO important to SO many. So I guess what we are saying theologically is that all in the church are involved in bringing the service, rather than just an anointed few.

After all, we are "whosever will" as Wesleyans.

[Charles W Christian]

Congregational singing IS participating in the service for many people.

Not everyone can preach, or read aloud before the assembled, or play an instrument, or sing well enough for the choir or a solo.

But when we sing, assuming we are singing lyrics that say something rather than "filler", we participate in the service.

And that is SO important to SO many. So I guess what we are saying theologically is that all in the church are involved in bringing the service, rather than just an anointed few.

After all, we are "whosever will" as Wesleyans.

This is true. Music/singing is a great way to participate in worship and is meant to exemplify our participation together in the worship of God. Of course, the other elements of the service are meant to be participatory in some way, too (even the sermon is to promote "active listening")....

Blessings,
Charles

[Jon Twitchell]

Congregational singing IS participating in the service for many people.

Not everyone can preach, or read aloud before the assembled, or play an instrument, or sing well enough for the choir or a solo.

But when we sing, assuming we are singing lyrics that say something rather than "filler", we participate in the service.

And that is SO important to SO many. So I guess what we are saying theologically is that all in the church are involved in bringing the service, rather than just an anointed few.

After all, we are "whosever will" as Wesleyans.

This is true... this is one of the reasons we pray the Lord's Prayer each week... almost everyone can participate here--even if they can't sing. We have an open altar for prayer time, in part because it's participatory. We have two laypeople read scripture each week, in part because it's participatory.