better food - better health

[Carsten Schermuly]

What can we do to become healthier?

How to protect children?
How to prevent sickness?
What is nutrition? What is metabolism?
Are there alternate solutions to traditional food?
If so - what will cost that?
How to get natural food (any diet, "natural food" is not a classification, it is just a conterweight to "denaturated, industrial food")?
How to make natural food better tasting (reciepes)?
How to use healing plants (dried, teas, tinctures etc)?
Where to find healing plants?
What about healing plants (or other herbes, fruits etc) in my own garden?
Will natural food contradict to medic therapies?
Switching from traditional food to natural food - must I turn my kitchen on head (e. g. put out microwave, put in juicer and / or a mill)?
and
so
on ...
A thema without an end - eating in relation to a healthy body.

[Wilson L. Deaton]

"natural food" is not a classification, it is just a conterweight to "denaturated"...

Why is it that every time we "process" something, someone complains about it being "denaturated" and the assumption is that it is somehow a bad thing?

Why are some "processes" OK and others are not? We can "mill" and "juice" and no one has a problem with that. But we aren't supposed to microwave? Why is that? Only simple technology is good? (God wanted us to invent the wheel but not the automobile?)

I believe that God created the world with natural law that behaves in an orderly and predictable way so that we could discover and invent. Because we get some things wrong that doesn't mean that we should give up and only eat raw, so-called "natural" foods.

Why is it "natural" to mill and bake (bread) but it is not natural to homogenize or pasteurize (milk)? When gardening, why is manure and compost acceptable but "Miracle-Gro" is not? It's not like man is creating things out of nothing! Some of our creations are just more complicated than others. That doesn't make them evil.

Those who have posted along the theme that the key is balance and moderation are on the right track. Pushing for all "natural" is carrying things to far.

Wilson

[Carsten Schermuly]

Why is it that every time we "process" something, someone complains about it being "denaturated" and the assumption is that it is somehow a bad thing?



It needs to differ, your terms

every time
"process" something
someone complains
it being
is somehow
bad thing

are empty. So there is no answer.
I will use an example
Pasteurizing and other processes, will heat food up on a temperature over 60 degrees Celsius, will make changings on the DNS molecule chains of the food. In the moment, the temperature of 60 degrees Celsius is reachend (or overstepped) the chains do no more turn right (before), they will now turn left (after) - and the food is no more nature identic. Our organism is not able to use the not nature identic food in the same way like nature identic food. That means - eating no more nature identic food over a longer time span, our body is not covered by its needings and hinderances for good organ functions will appear (we will become sick).



Why are some "processes" OK and others are not?



Put a seed corn in mouth between teeth and bite on it - it is broken. It is a natural process, it is a good process because it will help our body to use the food. A similar process it to mill seeds.

A not good process is heating food up over a limit temperature (please see before, my example). It is a bad process. Other bad processes can be to mix food by chemicals. That can be aromas to make changings on its taste, colours to make changings on its outfit or to conserve it. Chemicals on farmland do no more play so a big role as they have played twenty years ago (remember to DDT?)



We can "mill" and "juice" and no one has a problem with that. But we aren't supposed to microwave? Why is that? Only simple technology is good? (God wanted us to invent the wheel but not the automobile?)



What does a juicer? What does a mill? Just similar things like to bite on food or to cut it by knife. Harmless.

What does a microwave (or a stove)? Please see above - it heats up the food - over a limit (nature identic - no more nature identic).



I believe that God created the world with natural law that behaves in an orderly and predictable way so that we could discover and invent. Because we get some things wrong that doesn't mean that we should give up and only eat raw, so-called "natural" foods.



Raw (plants or fruits) is nature identic - "natural".
"Natural" must not be raw. For example, to conserve healthy jam is used a temperature of 45 degrees Celsius to stir it while mixing by fruit sugar (fruit sugar looks white, but is not white sugar). After mixing the fruits are damaged and enriched by sweeteness - no more raw - but still nature identic.

Please note, this is not a correct identification
only eat raw, so-called "natural" foods.
Natural food is more than only raw (plants), OK? For example, there is natural identic bread or cake - but it is not raw in sense of "green" like plant flowers, sleeves and stalks in salads.

What faith means - you told,
"... that we could discover and invent"
is correct - we are called up to use the creation. It is the will of the Lord.
But we can not do anything we want - without negative effects for our life.
We must watch to get the right things.

Example
A bakery offers cakes. Sugar flowers and other decorations on - it looks nice and it tastes nice. Seen what the cake is made from, it is bad, unhealthy. Because it looks good and tastes good, the cake is defined as good. So the selling personal put a label on "GOOD!" - to make you to buy it.
You will trust in, you will buy it and take the cake home and you will eat it. You are not critical enaugh - if you do so. Not thinking to "nature identic" or "denaturated" while shopping (or while eating) over years you will get a sick body.



Why is it "natural" to mill and bake (bread) but it is not natural to homogenize or pasteurize (milk)? When gardening, why is manure and compost acceptable but "Miracle-Gro" is not?



I do not know what "Miracle-Gro" is. I guess, it is a chemical or frozendried bakteries to help faster composting? "Speed composting up"?
Natural composting is better - no question. Natural processes do not leave wrong things in a garden. What is composting? Parts of plants are destroyed, cut to their smallest parts, "eaten" by funghi and bakteries. The output can be poison for our body - so we should be carefully what to do in our gardens or on our farmland.



It's not like man is creating things out of nothing! Some of our creations are just more complicated than others. That doesn't make them evil.



Yes and No. We need to know what methods are used and what results we will get.



Those who have posted along the theme that the key is balance and moderation are on the right track.



Yes and No. We must try to meet with such balance the needings of our body.



Pushing for all "natural" is carrying things to far.

Wilson



Everybody is free to eat (or to drink) what he wants. There is not a must - except "what needs my body?". My desire is to help a bit - nothing else.

[Gina Stevenson]

Well, here if we may recall another thread where someone asked if medical technology has advanced so much that sometimes we may be "playing God" with what we do ... the microwave, in the same way, is some of that technology that surpassed stovetop cooking.

From what we've read, it changes the molecular makeup (& vitamin depletion) of food much moreso than stovetop heating ... molecularly changed, perhaps, beyond that substance that might actually nourish ... ??

Yes, in spite of this, we've a microwave ... don't use it too much, but when tired, I might just eat something warmed in it, while knowing it might not be the most nutritious thing I've eaten ... figuring I can make up for it by "balancing" this input with some more nutritious food another time. ;)

Why are some "processes" OK and others are not? We can "mill" and "juice" and no one has a problem with that. But we aren't supposed to microwave? Why is that? Only simple technology is good? (God wanted us to invent the wheel but not the automobile?)

[Carsten Schermuly]

Microwave Oven

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
Look for "Description" to see how it works.

To say only "microwave" is not correct, it means waves of a special frequency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
But using "microwave" in daily language means "microwave oven".

See also "Stove"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stove

[Carsten Schermuly]

Why is it "natural" to mill and bake (bread) but it is not natural to homogenize or pasteurize (milk)?



To this phrase I have not answered. Before I thought, it were already answered by "bite on a seed corn (mill)" and the temperature example. But it contains more.

Homogenised Milk
is homogen. Parts of milk are mixed in the same density, no matter where in the milk is taken off a sample, top, middle, bottom. Not homogeneized milk will have their parts in different densities on different layers, e. g. fat (cream) on top. To homogeneize mik, its parts are cracked - shot by high speed across fine sieves to split eggwhite and fat clusters. It is said, this should make milk healthier. I personally am not sure what to think about. There is a discuss about "is milk made for men? It is baby food for little cows." I have no problems with to drink milk like it is found in trade - homogenized milk.

But pasteurized - means heated up for a very short time over 75 degrees Celsius - and with this I have problems because turned DNS molecular chains, killed enzymes etc. If possible, we get our milk direct from a farm - out of stable, daily fresh - often not cooled - hand warm as it came out of the cows "valves". * g *

WikiPedia definitions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogeneous

too late seen,
otherwise I could have saved a bit time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogenization

To get a better imagination, please see three pictures in top of the german WikiPedia
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogen - nicht = not


"external link" from WikiPedia
Homogenised Milk and health problems

http://www.naturopath.org.nz/homogen.html
short and incomplete quote

Fragmenting the fats - how it works

Homogenisation forces the milk under extreme pressure, through tiny holes. This breaks up the normally large fat particles into tiny ones and forces the fat to form tiny molecular clusters, thus ensuring that the molecules do not regroup and form a cream layer on top of the milk. Instead, in this denatured state, they stay suspended in the milk. However, not only do they not regroup, the process also makes digestion almost impossible. The tiny molecules enter the bloodstream directly as undigested fat - not exactly the best for human health.

Xanthine oxidase has a very specific function in our bodies. It breaks down purine compounds into ...

[Carsten Schermuly]

I have changed my mind - what homogenised milk means. I am now unwillingly to take an industry product (bottled or in another way packed milk from trade).

It is good to read this article ...

"external link" from WikiPedia
Homogenised Milk and health problems

... twice to get it fully
http://www.naturopath.org.nz/homogen.html

[Carsten Schermuly]

Some cellphone networks also use the lower microwave frequencies.


Uncommented single thought from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
Chapter "Uses", bullet no 6

A few years ago I have read warnings to use special sords of cellphone connections - antennas beams will heat up brain. Do you know what it means? I think, today this theme is from table - or not?

[Wilson L. Deaton]

Carsten,

Thought you might be interested in this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/01/20/pig.genome.ap/index.html

Wilson

[Carsten Schermuly]

Dear Wilson, thank you!

No question, it is a "pro pig" article, friendly for pig farmers, pig related industry and pig consumers. To talk friendly to this groups is an egoistic opportunity, because pigs omni presence in kitchens of households and restaurants, this groups do represent an overweight of population. There are more pigeaters found under the sun than abstinent people.
The article writer is not interested in health questions, otherwise he had added mindst one critical phrase or had added links to pig contra articles.

The first phrase in bold of the article you will point to, sounds:
A team of researchers won a $10 million federal grant to provide the first complete sequence of the swine genome -- a genetic map they say could help farmers produce better hogs, give consumers tastier pork and ultimately benefit human health.

That means, an "ultimately benefit" (for) "human health" at present is missed.
As I said, it is a pig friendly article - because the words "ultimately benefit", especially the word "ultimately".

Pro pig or contra pig -
pig never ever can be an ultimately benefit for human health.

An Ultimatum was set by President Kennedy to Ministerpresident Chruchtcew,
"Turn your ships or we will sink them."

Pig as an ultimately benefit for human health means,
"Eat pig or become unhealthy."

The proven truth is
"Do not eat pig to get a better health".

Do you see how the article is coloured?

At least - turn it.
The article talks about what to do for a better future, "to get an ultimately benefit for human health". That means, at present - without this planned genetic map pig is known as unhealthy.


The big question is
"What does my body need to stay healthy?"


"Do we need pig? Is pig good - or is pig bad?"
Pig is destructive for our health. Our body does not need pig. All positive things, our body could get from pig, he could also get from other, more healthy food. There is no argument to eat pig - except the only one "I like its taste" - and this is not an health related argument - it is expression of pure blindness.


Correcture
As I said, it is a pig friendly article - because the words "ultimately benefit", especially the word "ultimately".
was
As I said, it is a pig friendly article - because the word "ultimately".

[Carsten Schermuly]

What officials say, what governments will say.

Let me talk now only about Germany - a similar situation is given in the US and other countries.

http://www.dge.de/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=12

Please look around, what do you see?
http://www.dge.de/images/presse/fruehstuekck.png
The grey or light blue box means "milk" - packed like it is found in trade, that means "homogenised and pasteurized milk". Going a bit backwards in this forum page, we have been by that theme - and getting now this picture, mindst I am warned "be critical, what they say".

What do they say?
in page "10 guidelines"
http://www.dge.de/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=16
we have a ground direction about "good or bad".

It is not precise enaugh.
Everybody must watch its own special needs,
for example,

allergies are wide spread.
Parents of little children with red and raugh skin are confused (from what they should know the reason of health problems of their kids?) and went to a doctor and often the doctor teaches to put skin cream on. From sight of the doctor might be this correct - to underpress a symptom. The reason for the red and raugh skin could be a milk eggwhite allergy. This must be found out by allergy tests - to be able to give the kids the right sord of food to heal the skin.

Bottom line - it needs to look nearer.
Such common recommendations like the german Nutrition Society DGE is already alot, but never enaugh.

[Carsten Schermuly]

I am hunting in prior for "cancer prevention" beecause the relations. Looking on (not correct, "unnatural", "uncontrolled") cell growth we come down to the DNS molecular chains.

Reasons
* Cancer is very popular and a top hardness.
* Industry food is regular overheated (pasteurized, baken, cooked, boiled), that means the DNS molecular chain strukture.
* "Cancer prevention by food" meets basic needings - also once cancer does not play a role because DNS molecular chain strukture.

Reading about cancer prevention food, means to learn basic chapters in healthy food in general, with this the biggest part of healthy food knowledge is already got. For sure, it is a long way - but it is a serious and correct way.
A shorter way is not to handle pro and contra (not to look in siences) and to listen to testimonials and to follow their recommendations.

I found a tip - new for me.

The World Cancer Research Fund WCRF and the American Institute for Cancer Research AICR published a 670 pages strong report
"Food, Nutrition and the Prevention of Cancer: a global perspective".

I read the tip in a german talking pdf file under
http://www.dife.de/en/index.php
"Press"
"Downloads"
Broschüre Krebsprävention durch Ernährung
Broshure cancer prevention by nutrition
"high quality" - pdf file.


The report
"Food, Nutrition and the Prevention of Cancer: a global perspective".
Please see
http://www.wcrf.org/research/fnatpoc.lasso

[Carsten Schermuly]

Sorry, I forgot,
why I say this?
Reading what to do for a healthy DNS molecular chain structure (and to do that) will not only prevent cancer, it will give back a healthy molecular chain also once cancer does not play a role. Taking the best (as long cancer does not play a role, we are free to make choices) will meet healthy food in general - as a pretty effective way.

Again - other relations like Diabetes, Kidneystones, Arthrithis, Osteoporosis etc etc must be watched separately.

[Ian Gentles]

Although these things all might be good, there is the problem of time ans money for most people. Organic food costs a lot more! Also mant may not have the time to prepare special foods, meals. In end, in modern society, who can guerentee fresh food is actualy fresh? Also modern farming methods, mas prodused etc, has provided more food at prices most can afford!

[Carsten Schermuly]

It is good to cut this things.
We talked already about, so I put it in my initial message.

Some of your comments and your questions are also a problem for me and my family. What i say about will meet an ideal - not reality. I am sorry about, I know like you what where when - or not.



Although these things all might be good, there is the problem of time ans money for most people.



Often heard.
How much time do we spend to prepare traditional food?
How much time we must spend and have already spent to overcome sickness, basing on wrong food?
How much time was / is lost by cronical health problems, following wrong food?
How much time needs a chicken?

Why another kind of food should need more time?

Put some carots, some apples and a glass of juice in kitchen engine, add a spoon fruit sugar - and you will get in seconds (precise - two or three minutes) a very good tasting dessert. Why it should last longer? William Christ, ice cream and vanilly sauce needs much more time.



Organic food costs a lot more!



What means "organic"? Do you mean food, marked by a special quality seal?
Yes - because our world is a murdering world, better things do cost more. I am a victim like you. I do not love that like you.
But - it must not be a higher quality. Regular stuff will be already much better than nothing.



Also mant may not have the time to prepare special foods, meals.



See above - and
how long did it last to learn the traditional way? How many cooking books have been turned to bring traditional food on table?
Invest the very same in better food - and it is done.

Fast food
As a carpenter I went to work with my VW - Van - enaugh place for tools, materials - and enaugh place for food. In summer or late summer days I have taken with me curiously things, e. g. a bucket full plums, because the day before we have picked them and as early as possible eaten it is the best. Others laughed about me.
I did not react, just watched how tired they have been after Lunch - and I was top fit, I need only five hours to sleep daily and could spend every week one night by paper work or reading - without sleep was missed.
In relation to that, my immunesystem was pretty strong.

How good do ripe plums taste?
Why I should not eat a bucket full from that nice stuff a day?

"a bucket full plims"
Again - to switch from traditional food to cold, green food must be done carefully - like fasten breaking. Best is to look in books as guides.



In end, in modern society, who can guerentee fresh food is actualy fresh?



Nobody.
Because - today apples and potatoes just will have 40 percents of vitamins in comparison to the fifties - because modern industrial farming methods.
So - in general we all only can get "old, bad stuff - no matter to what time point it was picked, yesterday or already some months ago.

On the other side, modern things like gas conservation will keep food longer fresh, will keep vitamins for a longer time, the process "to become old" will be streched. Similar are cleaning methods and packing methods - plastic foil changed whole industries.

Really fresh?
Climb up an apple tree, pick an apple, eat it before leaving the tree.



Also modern farming methods, mas prodused etc, has provided more food at prices most can afford!



The market situation is ruinous for farmers - since long years. Internationalism is not the best, to build all the times stronger and stronger companies by fusions is not the best. It is a sick development - only money for a small handfull of capital owners. I do not say, it were bad to have money, our world needs strong companies, but there are alot of bad side effects.

About "What food will cost" please see also
http://www.naznet.com/community/showpost.php?p=15879&postcount=52

[Gina Stevenson]

Yes, I was feeling much better when juicing fresh veggies everyday [as it was done dubiously at first, it was not a "fooling myself" sort of thing] ... whereas now I have to choose between doing that I listening to screaming re clogging her sink (not! anything that goes through a tiny strainer while washing the juicer is not going to clog anything so big as a huge drain pipe!! DUH!), or not doing it ... but then having everything else screamed about, anyway.

Oh, had I the $$$ to move out of here ... or had enough long ago to do so ... but then she's getting to where I don't think she can stay alone with her sometimes confusion (tho' she'll of course scream about that, too).

Anyway, I did notice that "organic" denotation does make a whole lot of difference in some things at least. For instance, I've had so much celery (several stalks have been included in each juicing session) with an awful taste, such as chemical fertilizer smells! Yuck! Have had spinach with that same awful taste ... now if it smells and tastes like fertilizer, we're ingesting it if we eat/drink it, right? Not good.

In spite of low $$, I've opted for organic several times, and it tastes sooooo good ... then there was the organic milk I finally bought when on sale (don't drink much otherwise at all). I could hardly believe the first little drink ... suddenly I was a kid again, drinking milk ... that's how strongly the taste/smell hit me ... took me way back there. Apparently things were done differently "back then."

There is too much overdone chemical-wise when you start gagging on juice with too much of the stuff in it. Sad .............

[Carsten Schermuly]

Allowed is nothing - äh - nearby nothing

German law about trading food (e. g. hygiene, added chemicals, food with pharmacologic powers, correct labeling etc)

Lebensmittel Bedarfsgegenstände Gesetz LMBG

Lebensmittel = food
Bedarfsgegenstände = nonfood (make up, soap etc)
Gesetz = law

http://www.jura.uni-sb.de/BGBl/TEIL1/1993/19931170.1.HTML

Interesting for "to talk about" food is Paragraph 18
"Advertisers, announcements"

Paragraph = title, marked by §



Verkehr mit Lebensmitteln

§ 8 Verbote zum Schutz der Gesundheit § 9 Ermächtigungen zum Schutz der Gesundheit § 10 Ermächtigung für Hygienevorschriften § 11 Zusatzstoffverbote § 12 Ermächtigungen für Zusatzstoffe § 13 Bestrahlungsverbot und Zulassungsermächtigung § 14 Pflanzenschutz- oder sonstige Mittel § 15 Stoffe mit pharmakologischer Wirkung § 16 Kenntlichmachung § 17 Verbote zum Schutz vor Täuschung § 18 Verbot der gesundheitsbezogenen Werbung § 19 Ermächtigungen zum Schutz vor Täuschung § 19a Weitere Ermächtigungen zum Schutz bei dem Verkehr mit Lebensmitteln


§ 18 Verbot der gesundheitsbezogenen Werbung

(1) Unbeschadet der Vorschrift des § 17 Abs. 1 Nr. 5 ist es verboten, im Verkehr mit Lebensmitteln oder in der Werbung für Lebensmittel allgemein oder im Einzelfall

1. Aussagen, die sich auf die Beseitigung, Linderung oder Verhütung von Krankheiten beziehen,

2. Hinweise auf ärztliche Empfehlungen oder ärztliche Gutachten,
3. Krankengeschichten oder Hinweise auf solche,
4. Äußerungen Dritter, insbesondere Dank-, Anerkennungs- oder Empfehlungsschreiben, soweit sie sich auf die Beseitigung oder Linderung von Krankheiten beziehen, sowie Hinweise auf solche Äußerungen,
5. bildliche Darstellungen von Personen in der Berufskleidung oder bei der Ausübung der Tätigkeit von Angehörigen der Heilberufe, des Heilgewerbes oder des Arzneimittelhandels,
6. Aussagen, die geeignet sind, Angstgefühle hervorzurufen oder auszunutzen,
7. Schriften oder schriftliche Angaben, die dazu anleiten, Krankheiten mit Lebensmitteln zu behandeln, zu verwenden.

(2) Die Verbote des Absatzes 1 gelten nicht für die Werbung gegenüber Angehörigen der Heilberufe, des Heilgewerbes oder der Heilhilfsberufe. Die Verbote des Absatzes 1 Nr. 1
und 7 gelten nicht für diätetische Lebensmittel, soweit nicht das Bundesministerium durch Rechtsverordnung mit Zustimmung des Bundesrates etwas anderes bestimmt."



Unbeschadet des § 17 Abs. 1 Nr. 5 ist es verboten, im Verkehr mit Lebensmitteln oder in der Werbung für Lebensmittel allgemein oder im Einzelfall 1. Aussagen, die sich auf die Beseitigung, Linderung oder Verhütung von Krankheiten beziehen, zu verwenden.

Without prejudice to § 17 exp. 1 NR. 5 it is forbidden, in trade (Verkehr = traffic) with food or in the advertisement for food general or in individual cases 1. Statements, which refer to the removal, abatement or preventing of diseases to use.

That means, as to be not commercial involved in (production or) trade for a product, it is allowed to talk about how it works, like
"An apple a day keeps the doctor away".

I am not an apple farmer and I am not an apple trader - so I am allowed to state this (seen from siences unproofed) speech. In case, I were a professional, I had to await, the chased doctor will like to see me in front of a court to make me quiet.

As a layman I am allowed to deal with a flying word - easily to identify as not a wordly to take speech (only one apple a day is never enaugh to stay healthy). It is correct, "to eat apples is healthy". It is not correct, "to eat apples is part of cancer (or any other desease) prevention" - because I had to deliver the correct proof, accepted by common sciences.


This is the reason why professionals are quiet.
Do you think, there are not professionals on NazNet?
Be sure!
In background they sigh and shake head about my easily as layman - like activities to identify layman - like activities.

I guess, US law will sound similar. I have already read about. For professionals it were a dangerous game to open mouth.



I wish - you - and you - and you - will be in future much more critical

what to put in mouth!



There is a hole in the law.
I think, we could find the same hole in US and other countries law.
But - it is not a mistake!
It does not need to steer it because commercial or public interests are missed.

Once someone (an alived victim of a disease) will tell by its own very free will how to remove, how to abate or how to prevent a disease (by alternate methods), will give a testimony - that were a nice thing!


Goal is to save pain.


Unfortunately there is no big interest to tell it - and if so - where to do? Who will listen to? Where to place it - an auditorium is missed.
And
alot of people are ashamed "to confess" what kind of difficulties they have had.

[Carsten Schermuly]

Yes, I was feeling much better when juicing fresh veggies everyday ...



Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!

That will help!
We all need to hear testimonies to do it better.

Wich way we should learn it? We must guide another not to leave the right direction.

It must been said!
Thank you in the name of all, that are now a bit more motivated by you.



... [as it was done dubiously at first, it was not a "fooling myself" sort of thing] ... whereas now I have to choose between doing that I listening to screaming re clogging her sink (not! anything that goes through a tiny strainer while washing the juicer is not going to clog anything so big as a huge drain pipe!! DUH!), or not doing it ... but then having everything else screamed about, anyway.



First - it sounds strange.
From children times someone has never heard about, only watching, "Grandma is using her cook book, Mama is using Grandmas cook book." As an adult "I use Grandmas cook book."
Now - "What Grandma and Mama did - and what I do since years - and what indeed does taste good - that should be bad?"

It is like stepping in another world. It turns many things on head.

I laugh about, "spleeny, spinner."
After a while listening skeptic, I hear a thing I know already and another thing that sounds logic to me - and then my interest is awaked.
I am on a better way.


sidewalk
I do not know what kind of juicer you will have. What I found out how to clean ours very fasten and very precise - I "juice" a one or two dozen of ice cubes (about two hands full). Ours turns by max 30.000 rpm, the ice cubes are splitted very fine and are blown across the house and outlet like a snowstorm - taking with it all finest rest of fruit fibres and juice colours - at least some clear water drips will come out. After drying the juicer looks like new.

The ice cube idea I got from Tennessee. The mother of my guest family put lemons in sink to clean it - and it became clean. But - lemons (Vitamine C) are made for men, so I looked for a cheaper method - and tried the ice cubes - and they worked also fine.



Oh, had I the $$$ to move out of here ... or had enough long ago to do so ... but then she's getting to where I don't think she can stay alone with her sometimes confusion (tho' she'll of course scream about that, too).

Anyway, I did notice that "organic" denotation does make a whole lot of difference in some things at least.



Maybe this will help her in general to see a bit clearer? Better metabolism also works positive in brain - and on homones etc - on all parts of our body.



For instance, I've had so much celery (several stalks have been included in each juicing session) with an awful taste, such as chemical fertilizer smells! Yuck! Have had spinach with that same awful taste ... now if it smells and tastes like fertilizer, we're ingesting it if we eat/drink it, right? Not good.



Do you have no reciepes to make it better tasting?
Once you do not own a book, you will find reciepes in internet.



In spite of low $$, I've opted for organic several times, and it tastes sooooo good ... then there was the organic milk I finally bought when on sale (don't drink much otherwise at all). I could hardly believe the first little drink ... suddenly I was a kid again, drinking milk ... that's how strongly the taste/smell hit me ... took me way back there. Apparently things were done differently "back then."

There is too much overdone chemical-wise when you start gagging on juice with too much of the stuff in it. Sad .............



Once I had a friend, a classmate while studying at Berlin, he was a bit younger than me - come to me with his first (old, pretty old, used) car and asked why it will turn so slow while starting.
No oil!
His control lamp did not worl so he got no hint about missed oil in engine. For sure - a dry engine will turn slow - for a short time before it will crack and never more turn.

What to do? Nobody had a bit oil on board. We took a bit old, black, dirty oil from a big building engine - oil in a strange quality - not made for a high turning car engine.
He shoutet "No, no! Not such misty stuff, please!"
I said "Bad oil is better than no oil, right?" He agreed to. At least he was able to go ride his car to a service or to home to get new, better oil.


Buy regular greens, herbes and fruits. Save money.
Look for informations what differences will make the higher price.
In end the cheap things are better than the expansive?

Bananas - washed on plantages in a special bath - only to save their brilliant yellow skin! Nobody will eat it - it is just done for the eyes. A SUPER banana should look SUPER.
Be sure - it is nonsense.
Look for brown spotted bananas and in case, they are not set already down, ask for a lower price - because the same evening they are done in trash - next day nobody ever liked to buy them.
Really ripe bananas with brown spots are better than SUPER bananas. They are fully ripe - and developed top fruit sugar - very, very healthy for our body.

[Gina Stevenson]

Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!

(#1) That will help!
We all need to hear testimonies to do it better.

It must been said!
Thank you in the name of all, that are now a bit more motivated
by you.

(#2) First - it sounds strange.
From children times someone has never heard about, only watching,
"Grandma is using her cook book, Mama is using Grandmas cook
book." As it is like stepping in another world. It turns many things
on head.

(#3) I do not know what kind of juicer you will have. What I found out
how to clean ours very fasten and very precise - I "juice" a one or
two dozen of ice cubes (about two hands full). Ours turns by max
30.000 rpm, the ice cubes are splitted very fine and are blown
across the house and outlet like a snowstorm - taking with it all
finest rest of fruit fibres and juice colours - at least some clear
water drips will come out. After drying the juicer looks like new.

(#4) Maybe this will help her in general to see a bit clearer? Better
metabolism also works positive in brain - and on homones etc -
on all parts of our body.

(#5) Do you have no reciepes to make it better tasting?
Once you do not own a book, you will find reciepes in internet.

(#6) Bananas - Look for brown spotted bananas ........
Really ripe bananas with brown spots are better than SUPER
bananas. They are fully ripe - and developed top fruit sugar -
very, very healthy for our body.

OK, now we'll take this # by #.

(#1) Thanks.

(#2) Yeah, it might sound strange to her, but she doesn't need to expect
everyone to be exactly like her ... tho' she does tend to be like that.

(#3) I've a juicer that's a "Champion" ... heavy thing. Have to take it
apart and rinse the residue of veggie fiber off that you can't get all
picked off by hand.

(#4) No, juice won't help her see anything clearer ... because she will
not even try it ... have offered to make enough so she could have
some, too; tho't perhaps it would shut her up, tho' it would cost me
twice as many veggies. But she doesn't want "that crap!"

(#5) Oh, it's not recipes I need for better taste, Carsten; I know how to
make some yummy-tasting juices ... it's just that sometimes it's the
veggies that are supposed to be good (celery, spinach) that are so
strongly fertilizer-tasting, that the taste comes through, even mixed
up with other veggies, an apple, etc.

(#6) Bananas ... yes, I eat many of them ... like them definitely ungreen,
and I'll eat them until they're nearly ripe enough for banana bread,
rather than go without my bananas. ;)

OK, I've gotta go do a thing or two, so ... going to *try* to leave Naznet now; been on a bit much today!

[Carsten Schermuly]

An article by Reuters

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-01-24T210139Z_01_N24146480_RTRUKOC_0_US-OMEGA.xml

[Carsten Schermuly]

Already some days old - but still actual

http://dieoff.org/page165.htm

[Carsten Schermuly]

Conclusion

The prevalence of human diseases is increasing rapidly worldwide, as is the number of deaths from diseases. The ecology of increased disease is exceedingly complex because of the diversity of infectious organisms and the effects of environmental degradation on the prevalence of disease. The rapid expansion of human populations is a major factor in the rise of human diseases: Humans living in crowded, urban areas are in an ecosystem that is ideal for the resurgence and rapid spread of old diseases as well as for the development and spread of new diseases. The unprecedented increase in air, water, and soil pollutants, including organic and chemical wastes, further stresses humans and increases disease prevalence. In particular, widespread malnutrition enhances the susceptibility of humans to infectious pathogens and other diseases.

In addition, global climate changes are improving the environment for some diseases and disease vectors. Climate changes may also increase the susceptibility of food crops to some pests, which, in turn, could intensify food shortages and malnutrition. A concurrent problem is the rapid expansion in the number of "environmental refugees" (Myers 1993). These people, living in poverty and desperate for food, flee their home areas in a search for survival. Their malnutrition, stress, and dislocation foster the resurgence of old diseases and the development of new ones.

This analysis confirms that many factors influence the increased prevalence of human diseases now occurring worldwide. Currently, 40% of deaths result from diverse environmental factors, including chemical pollutants, tobacco, and malnutrition. The growth in diseases is expected to continue, and according to Murray and Lopez (1996), disease prevalence is projected to increase 77% during the period from 1990 to 2020. Infectious diseases, which cause 37% of all deaths throughout the world, are also expected to rise. Deaths in the United States from infectious diseases increased 58% between 1980 and 1992, and this trend is projected to continue.

To prevent diseases, poverty, and malnutrition from worsening, the growing imbalance between the escalating human population and the earth's environmental resources must be dealt with. The crowding of people into urban areas; the movement of populations into new environments; the increased use of chemicals that pollute soils, water, and air; the misuse of antibiotics, leading to resistance in disease microbes; and growing malnutrition all contribute to the worldwide increase of human diseases. Thus, comprehensive, fair population-control policies combined with effective environmental management programs are required. Without international cooperative efforts, disease prevalence will continue its rapid rise throughout the world and will diminish the quality of life for all humans.




What else can we do as to return to the laws of the Lord? It does begin by personally and individual controls.

Our bodies health is steered in prior by our food.

[Carsten Schermuly]

I have not read all - it is too much - to be able to say it were acceptable or not, please get your own opinion. I think it is correct (that will not mean, I share the teachings about evolution etc etc etc - it is easy to see, it was not written by christians).
My recommendation - bookmark it (and return as often as possible to get answers).
http://www.naturalhub.com/
Please note, it is Open Source. In case you like to take part, add your own article or modify existing articles.

I do the same on german talking pages like this
http://www.naturkost.de/
it is commercial - that means to be carefully

negative example
You will see at right "demeter" - it bases on teachings by Rudolph Steiner and his curiously spiritual sight of the world.
So it needs to be always critical "why they wrote that? will they teach me a special religios thing? will they sell me a product?" But in general, there is to find alot of good things.

[Carsten Schermuly]

I wish, I had more of such good, good stuff
It does not meet "food" - but it leads to.
http://www.hobrad.com/etbioc.htm


I am not aggressive.
My desire is to get the truth to help sick people - and to help all (including my family and me) to make the curve around sickness. Unfortunately I am a layman.