In your face spiritual warfare! Question...

[Mark Doble]

Last week a friend of my wife gave her life to Chirst, PTL. She is about 37 yrs. old, with one 12 yr. old daughter. Single mom.

She just told my wife what has been going on in our community...
She has a heritage of native rituals that go back centuries. She has been actively involved in the occult practices very heavily. Now that she is born again she wants to let go of it all. We will suggest the, "steps to freedom in Christ" by Neil T. Anderson.

She has told us that a network of people hold seances weekly in the house next to us and call out spirits to curse our church, individual people, US, and any other Christians in the Pefferlaw area. Most of what these curses are we have been experiencing! Even our Pastor.
Curses are for scattered thoughts, confusion, night fears, nightmares, adultery, pornography addiction, drunkeness, the list goes on and on. I have been praying as to why so many things are happening around us, to us, and others. I believe I have been given the answer...!

The question is: WHAT NEXT? How should we handle this. What sort of battle plan can we put together. Of course prayer...

Has anyone else gone through this type of community attack? What did you do?
:eek:

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

nods - oh yeah.

This isn't new. This is a reason that they delight in how lukewarm Christians are in their quest for Christ. They are winning. This is an answer to *their* prayers.

Back to your question -

1. Don't walk in fear.
2. Watch what you say out loud. The power of the righteous is the silent prayers. Only Jesus/God/Holy Spirit can read the thoughts of man. Your secret weapon is silence. Learn to speak to each other without saying a word.
3. Pray the blood of Jesus over whatever you are sensing the Holy Spirit's nudge to pray over. They have no power over the blood of Christ.

[Mark Doble]

That is very true. Silent prayers. We are having a day of fasting and prayer today for this issue. Thanks for your responce. I did expect to see more advice from a diverse forum. I found a good book to read on the subject.
"The Divine Antidote" by Francis Frangipane.

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

Well, Mark - saddly enough - many Christians don't believe this to be real. They consider this just a hoax to get the people stirred up emotionally.

i believe this is one reason that there aren't more victories in our lives - we don't acknowledge that the enemy is still seeking and prowling around.

[Gina Stevenson]

Neil Anderson has written a couple of good books; have them somewhere from long ago. This "stuff" is very real ... life is a war ... hopefully we win all the battles, but sometimes one is lost ... tho' the war is finally won!


<i>gina</i>

[Wilson L. Deaton]

A Free Methodist pastor friend of mine has been involved with this type of thing in the past. (He has actually been to China and Tibet for Spiritual Warfare Prayer Walks.) I copied your post to him and asked his opinion. Here is his reply:

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Wow.
Just off the top of our heads, prayer walks through and around the
neighborhood with MATURE Christians praying specifically about what has been
revealed. Prayer asking for any stronghold of Satan to be broken in their
region. Prayer around the church asking God for protection and proclaiming
that Satan has no authority on those premises. Confession and asking of
forgiveness for allowing these practices to take hold in their city. Praying
a hedge of protection around specific places, people, events.

Books for suggested reading Warfare Prayer, by C. Peter Wagoner
Intercessory Prayer by Dutch Sheets, Bondage Breaker by Neil T. Anderson
We are sure that there are more resources out there. These are the ones we
are familiar with.

Hope this helps.
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I, too, hope this helps.

Wilson

[Mark Doble]

All day yesterday it was in the back of my mind in prayer as to those who were praying against us.

On my way home I saw a hitch-hiker. Never pick them up. That voice in the back of my head said pick him up, its ok this time. So, I did and felt peaceful about it.
We talked for 15 min. before I asked him where he was going. He said, Virgina, you know where that is? I was reluctant to say yes... He lived in the very house that is responsible for the weekly seances! MY GOSH! Course I drove around the block before I went home. Cause like he is only 200 yrds. away from where we live.
I told my wife when I got in and she could not believe it happened.

The weird thing is, as he sat inches from me in the truck I could FEEL the evil eminating from him. This was before he told me where he lived... when he looked at me in the eye it was as if he was looking right through me and not actually at me. His eyes were alive and wild looking. Quite blue too...

The whole time I was in total peace, and made a new friend...hmmmmmmmm

Please keep praying for Pefferlaw...:fav18

[Gina Stevenson]

All day yesterday it was in the back of my mind in prayer as to those who were praying against us.

On my way home I saw a hitch-hiker. That voice in the back of my head said pick him up, its ok this time. He lived in the very house that is responsible for the weekly seances!

The weird thing is, as he sat inches from me in the truck I could FEEL the evil eminating from him.
Please keep praying for Pefferlaw...:fav18

This is freaky, isn't it, Mark? Perhaps you were to pick him up to plant some seeds that can grow once he gets to Virginia, away from that atmosphere.

Safety & blessings to you folks in Pefferlaw,

[Patti Grewell]

I am told a former pastor of ours used to walk the hallways of the church praying against Satan and binding him in Jesus name. Pray a wall of protection around your church. Satan is alive and well!

[Mark Bolerjack]

We have used them some in our ministry. Also, we have gone around the church anointing each Sunday school room and praying over them and the ones that would be occupying them on Sundays. You might anoint the doors on your house and pray over them and everyone who enters there. The prayer walks are good, too. Try walking around your property while praying for protection over it.

[Billy Cox]

I can certainly understand prayer for people who will gather in rooms, but to pray for inanimate objects or pray to bind Satan seems way more pagan than biblical.

To the degree that spiritual warfare makes us conscious of God's activity in the world, I am okay with that. However, it too often descends into casting demons out of sound systems, chairs, and engine blocks. It's just silly and the scriptural support for it is very sketchy.

[Marg Webb]

Billy, you mean well, but you just need to drop the negative words at this time. I understand what you are saying, but until you meet up with the devil, you will never understand.

[Ian Gentles]

Could explain a lot of whats happening to us lately?
I see evil in my police work, it can only be called "evil", as "crime" is too light a word.

[Barbara Moulton]

Billy, you mean well, but you just need to drop the negative words at this time. I understand what you are saying, but until you meet up with the devil, you will never understand.

I agree with Billy's sentiments, if not his expression of those sentiments.

Personally, I think Satan is very happy when we are looking for him. I used to be caught up in this as well. Reading Neil Anderson's books, talking to people who prayed out demons etc. Talking with people about their own experiences with evil spirits. I didn't find much spiritual victory.

One day, I heard a sermon in which the preacher emphasized that Satan is a roaring lion. He then went on to say that he is a caged lion when we know Jesus Christ.

I came to believe that the way to defeat Satan was not to spend time digging around in my past trying to remember if I had ever used a Ouija Board or done anything that might have given Satan a "stronghold" or looking around to find where he was most active. It was simply to daily claim the victory that Christ has given us and put Satan out of my mind.

That was more than ten years ago. My spiritual journey has greatly improved, I have greater victory and peace.

[Marg Webb]

In James it says "resist the devil and he will flee from you".
1 Peter 5:8.9 are wonderful scriptures to memorize.

I have heard many, many Nazarene Missionaries telling about the occult and evil spirits comming out of the wall, trunks and etc. where the Natives had their worship of the evil one in,
, and the Missionary rebuked Satan and he fled from the box into the wall and talked back to the Missionary. Now this was Nazarene Missionary's.
Evert Howard on the Cape Verdie Islands , the saints had no drinking water. He prayed at a stone wall and water came forth. Howard told this in our church, he was a Nazarene Missionary to the Cape Verde Islands off the coast of South Africa.
Must run on, but there are evil spirits and we can and we will continue to rebuke them in the Name of Jesus. Praise His name. Written in haste. God go with you all.!!

[Mark Doble]

By not knowing anything about spiritual warfare praying or how to deal with such things how are you going to deal with someone whom comes to you for help. If you dont research such things you will not be prepared. As far as one's unknown past, sins of the father and 4th generalational sins must be dealt with separately.

Now saying all that, if you dwell on these things too much you can be taken away from Christ. So, it is better to dwell on Christ. However, if you feel this is your ministry, study...

[BobHunt]

Its very timely that this post is here. Just this past week at my mother's neighboring church they had a girl walk in, who had not been there before. The minister was preaching about the man among the tombs and she couldnt take it, and went back into the walk in coat room. She started yelling and little did she know but the pastors wife keeps a baby there who many times sleeps during service. They rescued the baby, and it happened that a missionary was speaking who was from Brazil. He had come in contact with these kinds of events and knew wht to do. He had everyone kneel and pray and then went back into the coat room and asked who was speaking. In an unearthly voice they identified themselves and the missionary commanded them to come out of her. By the time it was over the girl was completely exhausted.

[Gina Stevenson]

Yes, something happened similar to this at campmeeting "eons" ago ... it was a gal who'd been heavily into drugs ... we've heard how they can somehow open a doorway for/to such things. It's eerie-sounding, isn't it?

Its very timely that this post is here. Just this past week at my mother's neighboring church they had a girl walk in, who had not been there before. The minister was preaching about the man among the tombs and she couldnt take it, and went back into the walk in coat room. She started yelling and little did she know but the pastors wife keeps a baby there who many times sleeps during service. They rescued the baby, and it happened that a missionary was speaking who was from Brazil. He had come in contact with these kinds of events and knew wht to do. He had everyone kneel and pray and then went back into the coat room and asked who was speaking. In an unearthly voice they identified themselves and the missionary commanded them to come out of her. By the time it was over the girl was completely exhausted.

[Ed Sherman]

Last week a friend of my wife gave her life to Chirst, PTL. :eek:

What is PTL??

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

What is PTL??


PTL = Praise The Lord

[Ed Sherman]

I'm an idiot - :eek:

[Marg Webb]

Ed.
Also there is a PTL program, Anchored by Jan and Paul Crouch and guest. It is called "Praise The Lord". You without doubt know about this.
They also maybe own ??, TBN, Trinity Broadcating Network. This station offers all denomination and many times a Catholic service. Because of my husbands illness we have not been able to attend our church and use this station many, many times for our church, ALL week long.!!
Also our church broadcast through TBN, by a local station.
Pastor Kennedy, Presbyterian (give me liberty or give me death)Great speaker, Adrian Rogers who has just gone on, but still his church broadcasts from Tenn. Great music from that . Wonderful music and many, many other's.
It is rather like "pick and choose" what one wants to hear and see. I am sure all know all of this, but just incase.
Of course you are acquainted with Pastor Kennedy and his great works.
The guest on this station is just remarkable.!!!
Please if there are any anti's out there do not write back to me. When one cannot get to their own service this is wonderful.

[Marg Webb]

ED!! YOU are not an idiot.
Tell me this, do you know I cannot work the speller corrector on this Forum. I have asked two other's but no reply.
Can you help me.?????????????
Marg. Webb

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

I'm an idiot - :eek:


*grins*

Nah - i had to ask when i first came to the internet, too. In fact, many of those little things i forget and still have to ask.

welcome to NazNet

[Ed Sherman]

Tell me this, do you know I cannot work the speller corrector on this Forum. I have asked two other's but no reply.
Can you help me.?????????????
Marg. Webb

Marg, I think you have to actually download the site's version of spellchecker before you can use it in the forum. Once downloaded (and installed) you click on the 'abc' icon after writing your post...I think! Another way to do this would be to write your post in a word file, spell check it there and then cut and past - a lot of work.
ed:basic01

[Marg Webb]

Thanks Sherm, but have no idea what you are talking about.:) Who is the idiot now.:)
Marg.

[Dana Grant]

I'm an idiot - :eek:


UHHH, Ed, I hate to bring this up, but when I first joined NazNet in 1998, I had a few questions myself.

Remember this: I'm a third generation Nazarene, OK?

I kept reading posts with these letters in them: COTN.

What in the world was COTN???

Yep, I had to ask. What is COTN.

When someone wrote the reply: COTN - Church of the Nazarene.......

Well, let's just say I wanted to dig a hole and crawl in it.


LOL

Welcome to NazNet!!

[Marg Webb]

I did not know either. We joined in 1948 and I was stumped too. COTN...
My husbands very close friend who is a Dr. Asked me my degree and I replyed MRS. He was really in the dark. I was going to leave it there but my husband answered.
Loved it for he was so egotistical. We are never to young or to old to ask questions.
Remember when children say, why, why, why? :)

[Marg Webb]

MARK-----------how are things in your home and community since your prayer walk.
Have Prayed for you ALL.
Marg.Webb

[Edith K. Thurmond]

http://www.lifemenders.org/about.htm

Reading his newsletter and recommendation sections was interesting. Perhaps some of you have had him as your evangelist.

Blessings,

[Mark Doble]

MARK-----------how are things in your home and community since your prayer walk.
Have Prayed for you ALL.
Marg.Webb


Well, quite exasperating to say the least. Lost of hm. troubles, sickness, etc...

On the other hand, Charlotte is beginning to grow in her faith, still however living in the midst of evil. The mediums are pushing her to have seances in her house as the past history of evil is strongest there. One of them she sees an ora about him. I have now a list of the mediums and as a church we are praying for them, hehe! :basic05

Charlotte is considering going through the steps to freedom in Christ sometime this week. Charlotte is becoming more open with us regarding what is going on now and in the past as well as with her family ancestors, all of which are naitive.

Thanks for your prayers, please keep them coming....


Mark

[Marg Webb]

Praise God. Isn't it wonderful to fight for our Lord. Who gave us His life to RANSOM OUR SOULS!!! Keep it up and rebuke any negative thought you might have and do not despair, the Lord is right beside you and His Army. Call for more protection anytime. His Army never dwindles!!! Praise His Name.
I just asked the Lord to make Charlotte a Warrior in her camp of satanic people. To make her strong and determined to lead and defend the truth. HE WILL.
She has been appointed. We must pray that she becomes an outstanding leader.
Marg.

[Mark Doble]

She has been appointed. We must pray that she becomes an outstanding leader.
Marg.[/QUOTE]

Marg, now there is a thought eh! Charlotte has been appointed. Lets pray to that end, that Charlotte becomes a leader against this in our hood.

Cool:fav18

[Marg Webb]

Gotch. All Ready Did.
Marg.

[Mark Doble]

Thank you for your support Marg...

[David Crane]

Mark,

Don't get caught up in what to do next. The fight is not yours, it is the Lord's. Stand still and see His salvation. If you start trying to cook up ideas and things to do it will probably blow up in your face. Just be prayed up, ready and courageous in the moments of trial. Wait on the Lord. His timing and plan is always perfect. God was not surprised or caught off-guard by any of this. He is working all these factors to the bennefit of His plan.

[David Crane]

Marg,

I had gotten the impression that you were, shall we say, a spiritually mature christian. What's being a shut-in got to do with watching TBN?

[Marg Webb]

SORRY have no idea where you are going with this.
If it is an arguement, you hit on the wrong gal.
Marg.

[David Crane]

Well, I WAS going somewhere, but I don't want to start an argument either, so never mind. It feels like there's already heat without any light.

[Billy Cox]

Whenever a conversation starts off with mention of Frank Peretti and/or missionary anecdotes about demon possession, I know that the conversation will not even be in the same 'zip code' as Nazarene core beliefs.

It is not a nice place nor is it supportive of the mission of the Church.

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

Whenever a conversation starts off with mention of Frank Peretti and/or missionary anecdotes about demon possession, I know that the conversation will not even be in the same 'zip code' as Nazarene core beliefs.

It is not a nice place nor is it supportive of the mission of the Church.


*grins*

You are so cute. You like this subject a lot, don't you?

[Mark Doble]

who has been under attack for some time now...

Saturday night I had a nightmare that lasted most of the night. I prayed when I went to sleep to let all my family have a good night sleep. Especially Kenny since he doesn't sleep well. Then I started getting these images in my head which I won't go into. So I kept saying the Lord's prayer over and over. I fell asleep. Then in my dreams we were all in my house, but it wasn't the house I live in. There was a secret room which was found and it lead into another apartment. It used to be a females room. As soon as I entered through the doorway I could feel the evil all around me. I started saying I command you in the name of Christ to get out of my house! I was shouting it and it was really hard to speak. I felt like my words were being drowned and I couldn't force my voice through. Weird I know. Then there were a whole bunch of us, you guys too standing in a circle holding hands. Mercedes was there also. We kept trying to recite the lord's prayer and we were saying it, but the wind was picking up and the lower part of everyone's jaws were distorted as they tried to say the lords prayer. that's when I woke up and kept saying it about a hundred times after that.

So it was probably a bad dream, it was a full moon, but maybe they were having some sort of a ritual.

Your thoughts?

[Barbara Moulton]

I would say it was a bad dream which arose because you have been focusing many of your thoughts on this subject lately.

[David Crane]

Sometimes I think we give Satan credit he doesn't deserve. Like the dream I had after eating an old pepperoni pizza.

he doesn't need a coven of witches in your town if he can destroy your rest by making you fret about it.

Think propoganda - he's the father of lies.

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

You have mail, Mark.

[Billy Cox]

It saddens me to see followers of Christ so worked up about demons and curses that they can't see the redemptive activity of Christ in their world. That is the extent of my interest in this topic.

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

It saddens me to see followers of Christ so worked up about demons and curses that they can't see the redemptive activity of Christ in their world. That is the extent of my interest in this topic.


Billy, i think you are reading the responses incorrectly or maybe i am reading you wrong. To me when i read *worked up* it is a dramatization of something that isn't factual.

Demons do exist.

One of the things that the army seeks to do is to learn of its enemy. One can't just have weapons and use them without knowing the enemy. i think the war in Iraq is an excellant example of this. Yes, we had mightier weapons, ect but we didn't really learn of the enemy. From what i am reading and understanding, it seems that we thought our weapons were enough.

Yes, we have amazing victory in Jesus.

But, if the knowledge and acceptance of that victory was all that was needful - then, may i humbly ask you why the church is filled with ones struggling with pornography/debts/revengeful hearts/addictions of all colors, shapes and sizes - the list goes on. The seven deadly sins are amongst us, Billy. They are many times the size of Goliath. Yes, a stone can knock him down but you must first know where the head is - otherwise, you may just hit the belly.

[Mark Doble]

[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Billy Cox]It saddens me to see followers of Christ so worked up about demons and curses that they can't see the redemptive activity of Christ in their world. That is the extent of my interest in this topic.


Billy with all due respect... Do not let the victory of Jesus Christ sadden you by any means! So far these past 2 years our Church has seen over 200 new believers come to know Christ as their saviour! Some have been practicing witches, mediums, sitters, and the such. They tell us what they were doing against the Church and members thereof.

In order to know how to effectively pray against the darknesswe must understand somewhat how it works. What does Christ mean when he says we must first bind up the strongman? I guess if we do not know or deny the existance of the strongman we loose? Or we are not as effective for Christ as we could be? I do not by any means dwell on satan or the demonic but I need to discuss these things with others that know a little about it in order to widen my knowlege in order to help my next dr. neighbour, whom by the way was a sitter and cast the demonic upon others. She is now a born again Christian because of the interest my wife and I took in her when everyone else ran from the demonic in her house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God has chosen to show me things that others do not see. It is called discernment of spirits.

Blessings brother...:basic01

[Marg Webb]

Belinda and Mark. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
I talked to one Pastor as I was so saddened by such silly remarks about such a serious situation in the church. Her reply was "our people are not being taught, because the young Pastor's have not been".
"ye shall know the truth and the truth will make you free".
I feel many NEVER open their Bibles.
Thank you both again.!!!

[Barbara Moulton]

Belinda and Mark. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
I talked to one Pastor as I was so saddened by such silly remarks about such a serious situation in the church. Her reply was "our people are not being taught, because the young Pastor's have not been".
"ye shall know the truth and the truth will make you free".
I feel many NEVER open their Bibles.
Thank you both again.!!!

There seems to be this unspoken assumption in this discussion (both threads)that if those of us who disagree that the powers of evil have as much influence as some claim, would just study and read more and get a little more experience, then we would accept what is being stated.

I know that Marg doesn't really think that I don't open my Bible but that could be implied in what she wrote. “I feel many NEVER open their Bibles.” The truth is many of do open our Bible and have read Peretti and Neil Anderson etc., but have come to different conclusions than what is being expressed here.

Ironically, the Scripture verse you quote "the truth shall me you free" is one I claim. I am free, not vulnerable to the power of a coven chanting against me.

Also, for the record Marg, I have been ordained for 20 years. I am not a young pastor just starting out. My husband and I have been in ministry together for almost 18 years and have been privlleged to help many struggling, hurting people, working through issues of past sin and pain. I choose not to break the confidentiality of those we have helped, but if I wanted to, I could supply an endless stream of anecdotes about people who have been helped towards spiritual growth and victory, without using Anderson's steps or telling them that they have a stronghold etc.

Some seem to think that those of us who question what is being stated so emphatically in this thread, don’t believe in Satan and the powers of evil etc. We have never said that. It is not that we don’t believe in the powers of evil. We simply don’t believe that they have some of the weapons that are being claimed.

Yvonne, I also think the war in Iraq is a good illustration of the need to know our enemy. Because the coalition went in, with a strong belief that Saddam had certain weapons, and devised a battle plan based on that belief. But those weapons didn’t exist. It was another weapon, an insurgency which has caused the greatest harm in that battle.

Some of us believe that fighting a battle based on the belief that the enemy has weapons such as curses and satanic rituals turns our focus away from the real battle.

Yvonne, I do study to “know the enemy”. Just because I don’t accept that the witches and covens have the weapon to curse me and my church, it doesn’t mean that I haven’t bothered getting to know my enemy. I know the temptations that Satan puts before me. I know how He works to discourage me. I know I must rely on the powerful weapons that Christ has given me. .

Mark, I appreciate your passion. I know that you sincerely believe that you “….see things that others do not see.” But if I see what others do not see, it behooves me to test what I see against God’s word. And I am still waiting in this topic discussion to be directed to Scriptures that clearly reveal evil curses and satanic rituals actually have the power to affect the Christian who is living by the authority of Christ.

[Billy Cox]

But, if the knowledge and acceptance of that victory was all that was needful - then, may i humbly ask you why the church is filled with ones struggling with pornography/debts/revengeful hearts/addictions of all colors, shapes and sizes - the list goes on. The seven deadly sins are amongst us, Billy. They are many times the size of Goliath. Yes, a stone can knock him down but you must first know where the head is - otherwise, you may just hit the belly.

This is a valid question. I pose this question in response: If people are enslaved to sin, is it because of demons or is it because they are not participants in Christ's victory over sin?

Just as quack doctors may prevent needed care from being delivered to the sick, an emphasis on demons and spiritual warfare may prevent someone under the power of sin from dealing with their sin problem in the way that is made abundantly clear in Scripture.

Demons may exist, but I don't see that it really matters in the eternal scheme of things.

[Bob Carabbio]

From the wild-eyed Charismatic perspective -

Judson Cornwall (I believe - might have been Merlin Carrothers) got in the habit of "binding the devil" and binding demons in his services -

And he found that the instances of oppression were actually growing - until he understood that the demonic entities were apparently "enjoying" the attention he and his people were giving them.

SO instead, he quit "fighting" the enemy, reinforced his praise and worship in order to glorify the Lord, and the problems went away.

In one respect, stifling or binding a demon is a good thing, but "Concentrating attention on 'em" isn't. It's all well and good to REALIZE that there's a satanic bunch polluting the area, but the battle isn't against flesh and blood.

The devil's a certifiably BEATEN enemy, and PRAISING the one who DID beat him is much more productive than "railing against satan". Worship and praise concentrate attention on God, and on Jesus - gloryfying THEM rather than giving undue "attention" to the negative aspects of spirituality.

However real worship isn't something that is either "natural" or necessarily even "easy". The Human spirit tends to rebel against it - since after all it involves a certain "turning over" of the pride, ego, self-determination, and human reputation, and embracing the essential helplessness we have without Him. Without HIM we can do nothing (As it OUGHT TO BE done).

That's to say that The church supposedly has "died to its human life" and has been raised in a "Newness of life" - and that life is Jesus' life. Practically, however, the larger percentage of the church probably isn't operating in this mode at all, and is still pursuing it's "Human life", and is quite happy to be living that way.

So since worship doesn't really support our "Preferance" of life-style, it doesn't come naturally. Wesley (If I remember right) when he asked how he could preach what he didn't believe (before the "Strangely warmed" thing) was told to "preach it UNTIL you believe it". It appears that the advice on worship is similar.

We're to "labor to enter into rest" - and we'll never really rest until it's ALL on the alter.

[Marg Webb]

I Praise our Lord much more than Pray. I am so glad you brought that word out in your writing.
I have praise CD's and just go around all the time Praising the Lord. My neighbor is CAtholic and she does too. I see her out on her Patio, arm's up-lifted just worshiping. It is wonderful to live in this area when one has a praying and praising friend.
Thank you for your words and the writing.
Marg.