In view of remarks by Irans premier....

[Ian Gentles]

Will Iran have to be taken out next?
His statment that Israel should be wiped off the map is far from peacfull.
Will Israel itself now take out Irans nuclear capability? Gosh if we were Israelies wouldent we?
What is going to happen now?:cool:

[BobHunt]

Ian, some here say that all this is, is a bunch of sabre rattling, or big talk, showing off.
I imagine the leader of N Korea has done the same thing about the Unted States.
I hope its nothing more than a bad indigestion day, but if it is we will soon see!

[Dennis McClung]

I don't know why everyone was surprised by the statement. Iran has always disputed the existance of Israel.

[Dave McClung]

Don't forget that Iran was in a war with Iraq for years and years. They couldn't even whip Iraq. What makes anyone concerned that they are a threat to Israel? Obviously, we don't want them to have nuclear weapons, but except for terror activity they are not a threat to us or to Israel.

[Bruce Carriker]

But if we perceive them as a threat - whether now or in the future doesn't really matter - maybe we ought to just blow them off the face of the earth and move on. We have the nuclear capability to do just that. And after all, they are part of the "Axis of Evil."

[Billy Cox]

I think Syria is more of a menace to the region than Iran.

[Bruce Carriker]

I think Syria is more of a menace to the region than Iran.

But they're not part of the "axis". They'll have to wait their turn.

[Mike Norris]

....I'm sorry....but I detest talk of " blowing people off the face of the earth". Somehow that doesn't measure up to the attitude of Jesus. From a purely Christian position, to want to blow anyone up is wrong.
Now of course , we can do it very easily. There is no nation on earth that withstand the military might of the United States. Unfortunately , once we have conquered them, we don't have the slightest idea of how to nation build and govern those whom we have conquered. ( Iraq....prime example )

[Barbara Moulton]

Well said Mike.

[Ian Gentles]

My thinking, if Britain and others, especialy USA, had done something sooner, Nazi Germany wouldent have acheived power it had, and millions of Jews wouldent have died.
Let me be frank, I totaly hate war. I hate soo see parents, loved ones, going through trauma with loved ones in battle zones.
I would at least feel that now Irans Nuclear capability has to be taken out decisivly!

[Barbara Moulton]

But would you really advocate using nuclear weapons against a country, based on things they have said?

[Bruce Carriker]

Obviously my sarcasm was lost on Barbara and Mike.

[Barbara Moulton]

Obviously my sarcasm was lost on Barbara and Mike.

Yes it was. We need an emoticon for sarcasm :-)

[Hans Deventer]

Yes it was. We need an emoticon for sarcasm :-)

I'd say this one :basic05 comes close?

[William Hunter]

Mike, war is a last resort but it is very much a reality in a fallen world. According to the bible in our last days we will hear of more and more of them. Again, God used armies to totally wipe out whole nations whose evil had reached its limit with Him. He has not changed. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is no Arab/Muslim state that does not want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. do we sit back and shake our little finger at them and let them do that and say Jesus would not do what you are doing, or do we understand the world as God descibes it in His Word and use our military for the good of nations, and the restraining of evil intent by some nations. I for one, given history with Hitler, etc. have come to believe in pre-emptive strikes to stop evil before it has a chance to strike---like we experienced on 911. Apparently Clinton had all the info. on bil Laden and, in his usual draft dodger ways, chose to do nothing about it and bush inherited the result. Was is sad business but it will be a reality until Jesus comes and He was up front with us about that.

[Judy Hamilton]

is this thread deleted?? i cannot open any of the replys

need coaching here

Judy

[Garth Lahana]

I'm not trying to start an end-times discution (Tsunami/earthquake), but these things we see were foretold by Jesus almost 2000 years ago. I quote from Mark 13:7-8 (NIV) below:

"7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains."

I'm sure satan is having a field day, with all the christains who are showing so much hate towards muslims and other people, who are portrayed as destructive and hatefull by our 'friendly' media. Let's not forget that a very minor percentage of these peoples are radical, and the rest are peacefull folk just trying to live our thier lives. By falling into the trap of hate, satan is having a good laugh at our expence. These things are all going to happen, and there is not much we can do about it, except to pray for them. Let us christians not be the first to point fingers at the 'bad guys', but try to live every moment walking in the footsteps of Jesus. If we could all live like that, the world would be a much better place.

My 2c worth...

Garth

[Bruce Carriker]

I am retired military and not a pacifist. I am, as much as anything, a Thomist on that issue - that is, I believe there is such a thing as a just war. This is not the same thing as most neo-con thinking that it's "just war."

However, I have a very hard time, even under Aquinas' theories, of believing that a preemptive war can be just. And certainly a pre-emptive war can never be just when most of the grounds justifying preemptive intervention prove to be either contrived, or just plain mistaken.

As for Iran, and their possession of nuclear weapons...

Do we recognize them as a sovereign nation? If so, why should we get to have nuclear weapons, but they can't? Why should France get them, but not Syria? Why China, but not North Korea? How do WE get to be the ones to decide who has them and who doesn't?

[Billy Cox]

So, at what point in human history since Jesus' ministry has there NOT been wars and rumors of wars? Same thing with earthquakes and other natural disasters.

Jesus also said that in the last days people would marry and be given in marriage. These 'signs' don't seem to be very helpful clues at all except to suggest that we live in readiness but not in paralysis. ("do not be alarmed")

[William Hunter]

Garth, I do not see any hatred toward Muslims, just honest understanding that that religion was birthed by violence and is expanded by violence. Its two main groups are a case in point, the Sunnis and sheites. Each prach the "brotherhood" of the Koran, as long as others see the teachings of the Koran their way. If they do not they believe the other arer infidels and should be wiped from the face of the earth, thereby doing allah a favor. they believe that about anyone who does not view the Koran their way, especially of Jews and Christians. There is no denigh that truth of human experience. Islam is a deception born in the pit of hell as are all "religions" where Christ is not preached and people are not told they must be born-again.

It is not hate to acknowledge fact about some religion. Have you noticed not one Islamic group has spoken out against 9-11 or any of the other Islamic terrorist carried out bombings, etc. in our world.

[Barbara Moulton]

Have you noticed not one Islamic group has spoken out against 9-11 or any of the other Islamic terrorist carried out bombings, etc. in our world.

Not true. Go to google news and type "muslims condemn violence" into the search engine.

You'll find many condemnations, just using those search criteria. I am sure you would find many more with different wording.

[Bruce Carriker]

Oh, Barbara! Knock it off with the truth stuff, will you please? It offends our American ideals.

(Sarcasm, Barb...sarcasm)

[Barbara Moulton]

(Sarcasm, Barb...sarcasm)

Yep...I got it this time :-)