What is the German word for cigar?

[Joel Merrill]

Naznetters know everything :)

Joel

[Cindi Hammons]

"Zigarre"

Naznetters have German-English dictionaries.

Cindi H.

[Carsten Schermuly]

Plural Zigarren

and
Zigarette - Zigaretten

The A (or another vocal) in front of two consonants is spoken short like in Zigarre.
The A in front of one consonant is spoken long (normal) like in Zigarette.
The small form "ette" we got from France. During Baroque and Rokoko it was seen as elegant to talk french for upper classes - and indeed french does sound more like melodies and not as wooden like german. This mode to talk french has helped later to lift up many hardnesses during the Napoleon era, once he connected the continental european countries.

[Carsten Schermuly]

The music world has spoken italian and still does - because the "higher composition art" of Baroque was earlier developed in Italy by composers like Antonio Vivaldi. Johann Sebastian Bach stood under strong influence of Vivaldis music. So see, we germans have been "a bit too late" - so it was a logic and naturally thing to overtake italian terms in the music language. Operas like the Mozart or Handel operas (often written around typical Renaissance themes, "greek" and "roman" themes) also do have italian textes. Operas in other languages like the Mozart Magic Flute (with an old egypt theme - the Isis and Osiris cults) logically did not appear in italian because there is no relation between the classic european languages and the egypt language - and the egypt hiroglyph language to that time could not been read.

[Carsten Schermuly]

"Zigarre"

Naznetters have German-English dictionaries.

Cindi H.Sorry, Mylady to be later with the same message!
It looks like to schoolmaster you, as to correct you, as to know it better.
Sorry. While I still wrote, you already saved.

Ash on my head!

[Carsten Schermuly]

But
the reason to talk french for the better educated upper classes was not because french does sound better.
The reason has to do with Reformation and later with the Hugenottes as expression not to sound equal like Rome in latin, the laguage of siences.

[Joel Merrill]

Thank You :)

Joel

[Gina Stevenson]

Not sure why you wanted to know, Joel ... but before seeing folks had already answered correctly, I was going to say something "smart" like:

"CIGARRR--YUCK!!!" [meaning quite a stomach-turner]. :basic02

[Joel Merrill]

Not sure why you wanted to know, Joel ... but before seeing folks had already answered correctly, I was going to say something "smart" like:

"CIGARRR--YUCK!!!" [meaning quite a stomach-turner]. :basic02
I second that YUCK. Don't worry, I'm not interested in cigars. I'm doing research on my family tree. My great great grandfather was a cigar maker. His name was Adolph Luebke. He made Uncle Fritz Cigars. He came here from Germany around 1890. I've not been able to find any information on him until today. I may have found something. I was looking at the 1900 census and found someone who might be him. The handwriting is not too good on the census form and his name is spelled wrong. But since he had only been in this country for a few years and he moved to a area that had a large German population, he probably spoke very little English. So the person taking the census had to guess at how to spell his name. Under occupation there is a word I never saw before and the word "maker". His occupation should have been, "Cigar Maker." The census taker just tried to sound out what he said and spell it phonetically. That is why I wanted to know what the German word for cigar was. Now, don't you feel better? :)

Joel :fav02

[Carsten Schermuly]

I did a first google search and found that name, so I guess, that could be pages, you have already seen.

Please, some questions

was it Adolph or Adolf?
was it Luebke or Lübke?
In german are known both frontname forms and both familyname forms.

Where he produced his cigars - in Germany or in the United States?
In case, Germany,
the product name could have been Onkel Fritz - Zigarren. This could be a good way to find out more.

Do you know the town he was from?
Or
do you know the ship or the line (e. g. Norddeutscher Loyd or HAPaG etc) he crossed the Atlantic with?

[Gina Stevenson]

Now, don't you feel better?

Yeah ... very glad at this point that there's no transmission of odors via phone lines ... tho' for some things, such as some good-looking foods we see on-line, it would be nice. Knowing we don't have to smell cigars, just because we're reading about them ... yeah, that does make me "feel better." HA! ;)

[Joel Merrill]

I did a first google search and found that name, so I guess, that could be pages, you have already seen.

Please, some questions

was it Adolph or Adolf?
was it Luebke or Lübke?
In german are known both frontname forms and both familyname forms.

Where he produced his cigars - in Germany or in the United States?
In case, Germany,
the product name could have been Onkel Fritz - Zigarren. This could be a good way to find out more.

Do you know the town he was from?
Or
do you know the ship or the line (e. g. Norddeutscher Loyd or HAPaG etc) he crossed the Atlantic with?

Part of the problem is that I don't know for sure how his name was spelled. He made cigars in Germany and in the US. I don't know what he called them in Germany or where he came from in Germany. I know the town he settled in here in the US but I haven't been able to find out much so far. I am still looking.

Joel

[Peter Teolis]

Have you been to Ellis Island website.

I found this

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=LUBKE&PLNM=LUBKE&CGD=M&SYR=1887&EYR=1897&last_kind=1&town_kind=0&ship_kind=0&ETHS=26&kind=close&offset=0&dwpdone=1

click on it for some names...

[Charleen DiSante]

Not sure why you wanted to know, Joel ... but before seeing folks had already answered correctly, I was going to say something "smart" like:

"CIGARRR--YUCK!!!" [meaning quite a stomach-turner]. :basic02



My sentiments exactly!

[Carsten Schermuly]

The tabaccomanufacturer (cigarmaker) family Koch in a town named Vierraden, next the polish border. Please click a bit around to get an impression.
http://www.tabakmuseum-vierraden.de/themen/themen.html - only german talking.
The museums exhibitions do talk also polish.

This could be a way - over tabac industry museums. We could find out, what town your ancestors Luebke did come from to set things in motion.

[Gina Stevenson]

My sentiments exactly!

Charleen, never did say welcome to Naznet, did I? So, welcome! ;)

Anyway, re this way of saying "CIGAR" in any language, it reminded me of this one attorney that I did some parttime work for eons ago while doing paralegal-type work elsewhere. He's just down the street less than a mile now, so I've tho't of asking him if he still smokes cigars ... thinking that if he doesn't, perhaps I could bring some of the work home & do it here for him ... if he still has parttime help now & then, that is. Don't know how I used to stand it for even a couple of hours at a time ... it was nasty!

[Joel Merrill]

Have you been to Ellis Island website.

I found this

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=LUBKE&PLNM=LUBKE&CGD=M&SYR=1887&EYR=1897&last_kind=1&town_kind=0&ship_kind=0&ETHS=26&kind=close&offset=0&dwpdone=1

click on it for some names...

I haven't found anything yet but this is a very interesting site. :)

Thanks,
Joel

[Charleen DiSante]

Hi Gina, thanks for the welcome. Re cigars: never could figure out why "intelligent" people smoke period... But, you never know, maybe my chocolate breath bothers someone else

[Gina Stevenson]

Hi Gina, thanks for the welcome. Re cigars: never could figure out why "intelligent" people smoke period... But, you never know, maybe my chocolate breath bothers someone else
Ahhh ... "chocolate breath" ... my kind of gal! ;)

Have found the most wonderful -- yet comparatively inexpensive -- dark, dark chocolate bars several months ago. Have always liked dark better than milk choco ... it's finally easier to find, since they came out with the health benefits of it.

As for smoking ... those cigars, "gag city" as they are, have sometimes made me feel that cigar smokers can be arrogant, non-caring folks who don't at all care that they're nauseating those around them. Can anyone reeeally like cigar odor!?

[Carsten Schermuly]

I have heard "chocolate"!

http://haufenzeug.de/dance.gif






Where, please - ?

[Gina Stevenson]

Well, unless they've gotten rid of entirely all of the food at ALDI's -- you said they're mostly electronics now there in Germany (maybe they have a residue of goodies to eat, tho'???) -- that is exactly where I got the good dark chocolate.

It's in a long, flat package that is black & gold ... five little bars inside this package for $1.49 US ... brand name is MOSER-ROTH ... they also have it in blue packages that's milk chocolate (didn't impress me at all). It says 70% COCOA on it ... it's nice & tart ................. best found in awhile that wasn't twice as much for the same amount of chocolate.





I have heard "chocolate"!

http://haufenzeug.de/dance.gif






Where, please - ?

[Charleen DiSante]

Yes, Gina, you left us hanging (with mouths watering) Aren't we glad "they" finally realized what we knew all along? Now, where is that choc?

[Charleen DiSante]

Oop's, sorry, you didn't leave us hanging, that was me not checking the time of last post.

[Carsten Schermuly]

http://www.aldi-stores.co.uk/images/data_product/11165733084410140eb0e02.jpg

http://www.aldi-stores.co.uk/images/data_product/11165733084410140eb0e02.jpg

[Gina Stevenson]

Aha! I see you've found it, Carsten! Strange that they highlight the milk chocolate ... it's the dark chocolate that's "wunderbar!" not the milk chocolate. ;)

[Carsten Schermuly]

Cocoa is a healing plant (cocoa beans) - that makes my second interest.

chocolate does taste best - that makes my first interest.

milk or bitter - that is not important - unhealthy are both sords, ha, ha!