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Gord Evans
11th September 2006, 12:45 PM (12:45)
There is a new book out:

For Canada's Sake, by Gary Miedema (the re-making of Canada in the 1960s)

This is what ChristianityToday has to say about it:

What Happened to Religion in Canada?
How our neighbor to the north lost its faith.
Reviewed by Mark Noll | posted 09/11/2006 09:30 a.m.

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Into the 1960s, Canada was a markedly more religious country than the United States, with a higher percentage of church attendance and a stronger place for Christianity in public life. In that decade, however, things began to change, and in a hurry.

Gary Miedema's carefully researched book explores and explains those rapid changes. By studying the place of religion in celebrations of Canada's 100th birthday (July 1, 1967) and at the World Exposition in Montreal that same year, Miedema shows how elite and many ordinary Canadians had come to look differently at their nation.

No longer did particular identities such as Catholic and Protestant, or French and English, matter most. Rather, the new unifying ideal was a hope that by embracing pluralism and diversity, national unity would flourish.

This effort both reflected and stimulated a large-scale reordering of public life, including the recent legislation that has legalized gay marriage throughout the nation.

Miedema's tone is low-key, but he nonetheless offers much to ponder—especially on how the national effort to combat religious discrimination led to extensive discrimination against sharply focused religious groups (often evangelicals) and on how an ideology of pluralism has succeeded only partially in creating a strong sense of Canadian identity.

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September 2006, Vol. 50, No. 9, Page 126


Is there a message, here, to other nations claiming to be "Christian", or have "Christian roots"?

Oh, BTW, the book retails for only $70. What is it with Christian materials (books, CDs, DVDs)? Why can't they be more affordable??

For Canada's Sake:
Public Religion,
Centennial Celebrations,
and the Re-making
of Canada
in the 1960s (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0773528776/christianitytoda)
by Gary R. Miedema
McGill-Queen's
308 pp.; $70.00

Mark Doble
11th September 2006, 01:35 PM (13:35)
Oh, BTW, the book retails for only $70. What is it with Christian materials (books, CDs, DVDs)? Why can't they be more affordable??

Hey, Mitchell's bookstores as well as other Christian book stores are very expense.
Come to think of it, so are a lot of other Christian businesses.

Ya, how come eh?

Dave McClung
11th September 2006, 02:29 PM (14:29)
Oh, BTW, the book retails for only $70. What is it with Christian materials (books, CDs, DVDs)? Why can't they be more affordable??

Hey, Mitchell's bookstores as well as other Christian book stores are very expense.
Come to think of it, so are a lot of other Christian businesses.

Ya, how come eh?

Hey Mark, that light blue font is very hard to read.

Mark Doble
11th September 2006, 02:48 PM (14:48)
Hey Mark, that light blue font is very hard to read.

I think I fixed it. Lets see.

Barbara Moulton
11th September 2006, 04:10 PM (16:10)
Miedema's tone is low-key, but he nonetheless offers much to ponder—especially on how the national effort to combat religious discrimination led to extensive discrimination against sharply focused religious groups (often evangelicals) and on how an ideology of pluralism has succeeded only partially in creating a strong sense of Canadian identity.


"Extensive discrimination" against evangelicals? Those are pretty strong words...I would like to know what he gives as examples of this extensive discrimination.

But I am not willing to pay $70.00 to find out.

As an evangelical in Canada, I can't think of one time in my 47 years, where I have been discriminated against because of my beliefs and practices.

Mark Doble
12th September 2006, 07:21 AM (07:21)
"Extensive discrimination" against evangelicals? Those are pretty strong words...I would like to know what he gives as examples of this extensive discrimination.

But I am not willing to pay $70.00 to find out.

As an evangelical in Canada, I can't think of one time in my 47 years, where I have been discriminated against because of my beliefs and practices.

I can sure think of a few! Like christians were turned down to be hired at my place of hire because they did not have, "the ring". Masonic ring that is. This goes back 50 yrs. They were also looked over for promotions. This only goes back like 10 yrs.

Supervisors and Tradesmen who claimed to be Christians were constantly harassed on the job, myself included... I thought it was fun though.

Barbara Moulton
12th September 2006, 08:59 AM (08:59)
With all due respect Mark, that doesn't really describe "extensive discrimination". And, the human rights laws which we now have, could have addressed that situation if it happened today. If I could prove that a company systematically discriminated in their hiring practice in such a matter I could have a case.

I will say that when I was a teenager I was insulted by my peers more. But as an adult, even though I have often worked for non-Christian organizations, the majority of people I have worked for and with honoured my beliefs. Those who didn't, pretty much left me alone. For the majority of my adult life insult because of my faith hasn't happened. I am not saying that this doesn't happen to Christians who work in less tolerant workplaces then I have. But insult and harassment, although unpleasant, isn't discrimination.

Discrimination is being denied opportunity for accomodation, work, advancement or service because of our faith. That has never happened to me and I am struggling to think of anyone I know that it has happened to. Other than those who have a more "in your face" approach to their faith, insisting on tackling others with their need for Jesus, I can't think of any.

I know one woman who claimed discrimination because her boss wouldn't let her read her Bible at her desk. I asked her, "Was this during workhours?" When she said yes I replied that wasn't discrimination. She probably wouldn't have been allowed to read a novel at her desk during workhours. "It's ok," she replied. "I just start pretending I needed to use the washroom and taking my Bible with me."

She deserved to be challenged for this behaviour IMHO.

The reality is that good Christians normally have a good work ethic, don't party to all hours and miss work, don't steal from their employeers, don't make up reasons to be away from work, don't shift responsiblity for their workload to others etc., etc. A Christian who lives their values in their work will probably do well in the workplace.

Shortly after Carl and I were first married we applied for an apartment. We went after church and we were both still wearing our Salvation Army uniform. We liked the apartment and the rent was unbelievably low so we told the woman showing us that we would like to make application.

Just after we had made application and were in the process of leaving, with her telling us she would let us know shortly, another couple arrived. They looked like they had been partying all night and a little rough around the edges. They asked about the apartment and the woman looked at them and simply said, "I'm sorry, it's been rented to this couple."

In my opinion, we got that apartment over the other couple, because of WHO we were.

I am curious that you say that being harassed for your faith was "fun". What do you mean by that? And what form did this harassment take?

Blessings,
Barbara