Angry God Punished the Amish

[Cindi Hammons]

Transcript of an interview (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217975,00.html) with a representative of the Westboro Baptist Church. I'm in shock! Is there any wonder why people lump all evangelicals together? I hope the world realizes that those people do not represent the beliefs of all Christians!...in the same way that Muslim extremists do not represent the beliefs of all Muslims!

Sick...I'm just sick...

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

Transcript of an interview (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217975,00.html) with a representative of the Westboro Baptist Church. I'm in shock! Is there any wonder why people lump all evangelicals together? I hope the world realizes that those people do not represent the beliefs of all Christians!...in the same way that Muslim extremists do not represent the beliefs of all Muslims!

Sick...I'm just sick...

Blinks in astonishment!

This is horrific.

[Terri Knoll]

if you ever see these people being interviewed, you can just feel the hate exuding from them. I am sorry, but my God is a God of Love and His Son is the epitome of Love. I don't believe the Holy Spirit can be involved with hate, so I don't believe the message coming out of peoples mouths that preach hate, no matter who they are.

I am glad we live in a country where people can say things like that without fear of being killed for it.

[Marsha Gupton]

This is so horrific I have no words to even comment.

[Barbara Moulton]

It literally makes me sick to my stomach.

[Michael B. Ross]

I fully agree with the above comments, but I also feel the media needs to ignore them. The media are sensationalizing the twisted views of some sick people. If we ignored them, they would go away. Having them on H and C will only fuel their wildfire.

Transcript of an interview (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217975,00.html) with a representative of the Westboro Baptist Church. I'm in shock! Is there any wonder why people lump all evangelicals together? I hope the world realizes that those people do not represent the beliefs of all Christians!...in the same way that Muslim extremists do not represent the beliefs of all Muslims!

Sick...I'm just sick...

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

I fully agree with the above comments, but I also feel the media needs to ignore them. The media are sensationalizing the twisted views of some sick people. If we ignored them, they would go away. Having them on H and C will only fuel their wildfire.

i agree and i disagree.

i am sick over how several have responded to this crisis among a people who don't bother *us*. It is so disheartening that to protect their religious views (yet, we are a Country that declares that all may worship as they choose) and to protect their family values and to protect their privacy - they have to have a court order to keep the media's helicopters and such from flying overhead.

Whatever happened to a culture that could embrace character concepts of respect, dignity, honor, ect? Why is it that we seem to be so consumed with the *need* (ours - -mind you) to be in other people's business?

i don't believe like the Amish on some things but i highly respect them - and i am horrified over this event and continuing events that are occurring because of something that just dropped in on them. This is their 9/11 experience and it is terrible.

[Dennis M. Scott]

I will not read it or even go to that site. Just remember that Phelps occupation is that he is a lawyer. He seems to really like to bring his forces to New Hampshire. When he is demonstrating and someone either starts a fight, or he is "controlled" by the powers that be, he sues for denial of rights, and wins! There's big money in it, and people who are upset with what he says tend to go over the edge in responding - which is precisely what he wants.

Consequently, I won't dignify their efforts by reading what they say.

You might also remember that he kinda hit a bump in the road with his gay bashing. A national gay rights organization now funds local gay organizations when he is present. They send $100 (I think that's the amount) for every minute Phelps' group is demonstrating against gay rights. His demonstrations against gays seem to have shortened in length.

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

I will not read it or even go to that site. Just remember that Phelps occupation is that he is a lawyer. He seems to really like to bring his forces to New Hampshire. When he is demonstrating and someone either starts a fight, or he is "controlled" by the powers that be, he sues for denial of rights, and wins! There's big money in it, and people who are upset with what he says tend to go over the edge in responding - which is precisely what he wants.

Consequently, I won't dignify their efforts by reading what they say.

You might also remember that he kinda hit a bump in the road with his gay bashing. A national gay rights organization now funds local gay organizations when he is present. They send $100 (I think that's the amount) for every minute Phelps' group is demonstrating against gay rights. His demonstrations against gays seem to have shortened in length.

Thanks for the background information, Dennis. i wasn't aware of all of this.

[Bruce Carriker]

I am glad we live in a country where people can say things like that without fear of being killed for it.

For now, at least. ;)

[Bruce Carriker]

This is the same group of sickos that protest at the funerals of US servicemembers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My brother is a biker and some of his friends have gone to these protests. Dozens...sometimes hundreds...of bikers position themselves between the funeral and the sickos, and every time the sickos start shouting or chanting, they all open up their Harleys full throttle so you can't here what Phelps and his perverts are saying.

[Ronald McClincey]

I guess my take on people like this is where was Jesus in any of that oration? I hear the term babtist and it does make me think of Jesus but as the book of Jude tells us to beware of false teachers in the last days. I do feel that anytime someone proclaims that there theology is the way to Christ I do get a leary and weary. I live in alllentown pa and many here have been in prayer for those families and that is the important thing Christ would call us to do.

[John Kennedy]

Several somewhat associated thoughts on Phelps and his crew:

Garbage like that is part of the price we pay for living in a society which allows freedom of thought and belief.

He and his ilk are an incredibly strong testimony for believing in the separation of church and state.

[Alisa Stoll]

I used his group as an example of how Christians today preach against breaking the ten commandments but yet do it themselves (Romans Chapter 2 beginning verses). It certainally looks like misusing God's name to me.

Alisa

[Barbara Moulton]

I am glad we live in a country where people can say things like that without fear of being killed for it.

Nobody should be killed for their opinion, even if it is the most vile opinion ever held.

But that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be consequences. I am glad that I live in a country where people who say things like this can be charged with a criminal offense.

Canada's Criminal Code Section 319(1): Public Incitement of Hatred

The crime of "publicly inciting hatred" has four main elements. To contravene the Code, a person must:

communicate statements,
in a public place,
incite hatred against an identifiable group,
in such a way that there will likely be a breach of the peace.

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

Nobody should be killed for their opinion, even if it is the most vile opinion ever held.

But that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be consequences. I am glad that I live in a country where people who say things like this can be charged with a criminal offense.

Canada's Criminal Code Section 319(1): Public Incitement of Hatred

The crime of "publicly inciting hatred" has four main elements. To contravene the Code, a person must:

communicate statements,
in a public place,
incite hatred against an identifiable group,
in such a way that there will likely be a breach of the peace.

wow - i LOVE this!

[Glenn Harris]

I fully agree with the above comments, but I also feel the media needs to ignore them. The media are sensationalizing the twisted views of some sick people. If we ignored them, they would go away. Having them on H and C will only fuel their wildfire.

I'm with Michael on this one. As sick as anything coming out of that group makes me, I'm equally sick of the media running to them to get comments. Any time they want to demonize evangelicals or Christians in general they can always find plenty of ammunition with those people. I have always contended that if the media would just ignore them they would go away.

[Dana Grant]

Transcript of an interview (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217975,00.html) with a representative of the Westboro Baptist Church. I'm in shock! Is there any wonder why people lump all evangelicals together? I hope the world realizes that those people do not represent the beliefs of all Christians!...in the same way that Muslim extremists do not represent the beliefs of all Muslims!

Sick...I'm just sick...

I heard part of that interview.....I was just sick about it, as well.

AWFUL.

[Cindi Hammons]

My brother is a biker and some of his friends have gone to these protests. Dozens...sometimes hundreds...of bikers position themselves between the funeral and the sickos, and every time the sickos start shouting or chanting, they all open up their Harleys full throttle so you can't here what Phelps and his perverts are saying.

This is great! Good for them.

[David Cash]

How much sorrow sin brings into the world. A man let lust and bitterness turn him into a schoolhouse murderer. A group of supposed Christians lets some kind of inner evil turn them into people who will go around telling grieving families that their children went to Hell for somebody else's sin. It's the exact opposite of letting God work in one's heart. It is also sort of like making one's own Hell before he gets there.

I'm so glad that truly following God makes people nice!

One more thought, in addition to praying for the grieving Amish families and their wounded children, we probably should be praying for the killer's wife and kids. She was at a prayer group when he went to attack that school. She and the kids must be hurting terribly at this point.

David Cash

[Wendy Smith]

Living here in Wichita KS, we have actually seen a couple of the biker guys...
They are called the Patriot Guard and have a sticker on their bikes and cars. We saw them at a gas station here...2 bikes and a SUV with the stickers on them. BUT at the time we saw them....we didn't know what Patriot Guard was. We figured...maybe just some War Vets in a biker group. We were driving off and on the radio they were talking about the Guard being in the area...as there was a funeral they were going to go to.
We kinda wish we would have went back and shook their hands and said thank you.

Here is a web site we found about them
www.patriotguard.org

[David Cash]

I guess my take on people like this is where was Jesus in any of that oration? I hear the term babtist and it does make me think of Jesus but as the book of Jude tells us to beware of false teachers in the last days. I do feel that anytime someone proclaims that there theology is the way to Christ I do get a leary and weary. I live in alllentown pa and many here have been in prayer for those families and that is the important thing Christ would call us to do.

I noticed the abscence of Jesus in that interview also. By the way, these guys are far removed from typical Baptists.

David Cash

[Dennis M. Scott]

This is the same group of sickos that protest at the funerals of US servicemembers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My brother is a biker and some of his friends have gone to these protests. Dozens...sometimes hundreds...of bikers position themselves between the funeral and the sickos, and every time the sickos start shouting or chanting, they all open up their Harleys full throttle so you can't here what Phelps and his perverts are saying.

This national group is named "The Patriot Guard Riders" and participated this past May in the funeral of our foster son and nephew of naznetter Lori Jeffrey, whose name was Bob Moscillo. They are a great group, and have fairly effectively put a stop to Phelps' activities at military funerals. Interesting that he has shown up in converstation surrounding Amish funerals, where it's likely the Patriot Guard Riders won't be.

[Barbara Moulton]

I think they had this media coverage because FOX gave them air time as part of a "deal". If they were able to spew their garbage on FOX they wouldn't protest at the Amish funeral.

I think the whole thing is an abuse of what your country's forefathers envisioned when they enshrined "freedom of speech" in your constitution.

[Steven Stone]

I think they had this media coverage because FOX gave them air time as part of a "deal". If they were able to spew their garbage on FOX they wouldn't protest at the Amish funeral.

I think the whole thing is an abuse of what your country's forefathers envisioned when they enshrined "freedom of speech" in your constitution.

I was thinking the same thing. I had read earlier this week that if this group were given "air time" they would not protest the funerals. I'm wonder if H and C did this for the sake of those families. As much as I hate the interview and their view points, I would rather them "spew" on TV. Most people will have forgotten this interview by Monday, but by protesting on street corners at funerals you have that lasting memory in hearts and minds of those in attendance. In other words, I would much rather be able to turn the TV off so my son doesn't have to watch this stuff, then to subject him to protest on the streets that are out of my control.

[Doris Grant]

I agree with Stephen, at least we can turn our tv off but if they are on the street corner, so sad. These people have to know deep in their hearts that they are wrong, they just have to known that at some level. It saddens me that there are people in this world who have that mind set.

Doris

[Belinda Y. Edwards]

One of my favorite medical blogs addresses the Amish anguish.

http://neonataldoc.blogspot.com/

i like his words.