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Gary Swartzlander
4th November 2006, 02:43 PM (14:43)
You may want to give this a try if you're near Toledo, OH.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061104/NEWS10/61103062/-1/NEWS

Minister takes a step back in time
Wolcott House chapel is setting for services in the style of early 1900s

By DAVID YONKE
BLADE RELIGION EDITOR

As more churches are easing their way onto the high-tech highway — enhancing sermons with PowerPoint notes, communicating via e-mail, using video to make announcements, and podcasting the sermons, one Toledo minister is heading in the opposite direction.

The Rev. Roger Druckemiller is not only unplugging from 21st-century technology but is turning back the clock to re-create worship services just as Protestants had them a century ago — before the invention of microphones, the Model T Ford, telephones (plain phones, not cell phones), and airplanes.

“It’s going to be like a Little House on the Prairie church,” said Father Roger. “We’re going to keep it on the 1900 level, like the days of the circuit riders.”

The American Historic Church is holding its first service tomorrow at 10 a.m. in the chapel at the Wolcott House Museum in Maumee, and will meet weekly at the same time and place.

Father Roger will be wearing a plain black cleric’s cassock with white prayer tabs, and is expecting a number of re-enactors to attend — history buffs who enjoy wearing clothing from bygone eras — although people are invited to “come as you are,” he said.

The American Historic Church’s worship music will consist of hymns from the late 1800s and early 1900s, accompanied by a pedal-powered pipe organ.

“We’re Anglican, but I’m making the service nondenominational, just old Christian American,” Father Roger said. “It’s like I’ve got a pot and put a little bit of Lutheranism, a little bit of Methodism, and a little bit of Presbyterianism and mixed it up.”

Circuit riders were ministers who traveled a set route to preach at different churches on a regular basis.

The Wolcott House chapel was built in 1901 by the United Brethren Church and in recent history has been used mostly for weddings. Father Roger said he has always been interested in history, and when he saw the facility he decided to ask the Maumee Valley Historical Society about using it for regular church services.

“It was a win-win situation and I am grateful to the historical society for letting us use their building,” he said.
Why would a church forsake the high-energy, computerized inventions of the 21st century for the low-tech, simple atmosphere of a previous century?

“I’m a historian buff anyway,” Father Roger said. “I worked with the history department of the Army for a time and I’m also a military chaplain. I saw the church out there and I thought, why not do a church service?”

The 52-year-old minister, ordained in the Apostles Anglican Church, has been serving at Pilgrim Church in West Toledo and received the blessing of the senior pastor, the Rev. Lawrence Cameron, to start the American Historic Church.
“The church and the building represent a part of Americana around the turn of the last century,” Mr. Cameron said, “when church services in the Protestant tradition were fairly simple, and people gathered and there were no frills involved.”

He called it “a church such as the pioneers and our great-great-grandparents might have experienced.”

Mr. Cameron said re-creating the church services of an earlier era will meet the spiritual needs of people who are not feeling fulfilled elsewhere.

“People respond to the holy differently,” he said. “If they respond to this, great. The medium may change, but the message remains the same.”

The American Historic Church will meet at 10 a.m. tomorrow at the Wolcott House Museum Complex, 1031 River Rd., Maumee. Doors open at 9:30 a.m. Information: 419-478-6012.

Contact David Yonke at: dyonke@theblade.com or 419-724-6154

Jim Franklin
4th November 2006, 07:14 PM (19:14)
Now that is something that makes me wish I could visit Toledo. As I have stated in this forum before, my grandfather was a neighboring circuit rider of Rev. Phineas Bresee in the Iowa Methodist Conference in the 1870s and 80s. I really enjoy watching the pastor in "Little House on the Prairie" and have found out recently that a relative of my cousin is a descendant of the Ingalls clan and is curator of the Little House on the Prairie Museum.

Gary Swartzlander
4th November 2006, 09:11 PM (21:11)
You're probably right Jim, that it would be a neat thing to experience. Actually, come to think of it, I have experienced it.

When I was a young teenager(in the early 70's), we lived near Gatlinburg, TN. We attended Webs Creek United Methodist Church. The pews were second hand from an old church in Knoxville, the organ in the church was an old pump organ and my dad played it. There was no sound system, and the Pastor, Rev. Cline preached 3 or 4 times a day at 3 or 4 different churches depending on the Sunday schedule. I think we had about 30 people there on a good Sunday if I remember right. My Sunday School teacher was Vida Reagan, a true hillbilly, I can't explain how unique she was, right down to the old mountain home she lived in. Thinking about it really reminds me how good it was. Oh, and if you needed to use the restroom at the church, the outhouse was out the side door to the left about 50 yards.

Marsha Gupton
4th November 2006, 09:51 PM (21:51)
You're probably right Jim, that it would be a neat thing to experience. Actually, come to think of it, I have experienced it.

When I was a young teenager(in the early 70's), we lived near Gatlinburg, TN. We attended Webs Creek United Methodist Church. The pews were second hand from an old church in Knoxville, the organ in the church was an old pump organ and my dad played it. There was no sound system, and the Pastor, Rev. Cline preached 3 or 4 times a day at 3 or 4 different churches depending on the Sunday schedule. I think we had about 30 people there on a good Sunday if I remember right. My Sunday School teacher was Vida Reagan, a true hillbilly, I can't explain how unique she was, right down to the old mountain home she lived in. Thinking about it really reminds me how good it was. Oh, and if you needed to use the restroom at the church, the outhouse was out the side door to the left about 50 yards.


Only in TN Gary! Reagans are very prevalent in the Gatlinburg Cades Cove Area.

David Cash
4th November 2006, 10:18 PM (22:18)
The potential of getting a crowd of people who aren't in faithful attendance anywhere and sharing the gospel in this kind of setting is intriguing. I hope that the minister involved is an evangelical.

Before I got involved with the church of the Nazarene, I went to a church that would have had some similarities to what I can imagine an old-fashioned church being like. (Well, we had a PA system and an overhead.) We sang acappella and beyond testimonies and the message kept things pretty simple. Most of us non-Mennonites aren't ready for acappella in four-part harmony, but as far as I'm concerned, the ultimate worship service has its songs chosen from the hymnbook by individuals in the congregation as the service progresses. The music is in four part harmony and acappella. Testimonies and short exhortations are welcome at any time, and the sermon is Bible exposition.

Obviously, there were more issues involved at that church since I'm not there any more, but I think I could really get into a simple, old-fashioned service.

David Cash

Meghan Schoonover
5th November 2006, 03:26 AM (03:26)
Interesting!

This inspired me to do a little research. Here's a lovely picture of the Lutheran church my great-grandfather, Rev. J. A. Duchow preached at. I'm sure it had an outhouse in the good-ole-days. I'll ask my dad. :) I've been there many times.

http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/okanogan/havillah/havillah1.htm

Jim Franklin
5th November 2006, 09:28 AM (09:28)
It just seems that I recall that the way church services were done then would be the way it would always be done. Maybe that was a childish assumption. It is ironic that just at the time the denomination comes out with the latest hymnal in the 90s that in so many of our churches they just gather dust in the rack while we look up at a screen to see the words to a song of praise. Are hymnals soon to become a relic of the past? How legal is the reprint of what is in the hymnal onto overhead projection sheets? Are the song writers getting their just compensation?

Hans Deventer
5th November 2006, 10:20 AM (10:20)
Are hymnals soon to become a relic of the past?

Probably.

How legal is the reprint of what is in the hymnal onto overhead projection sheets? Are the song writers getting their just compensation?

Well, over here, they are. And when the church pays its dues, it is perfectly legal.

Bruce Carriker
5th November 2006, 01:58 PM (13:58)
How legal is the reprint of what is in the hymnal onto overhead projection sheets? Are the song writers getting their just compensation?

Many...perhaps most...of the songs in the hymnal were published before 1950 and are now in the public domain, which means you can project them, photo copy them, do whatever you want.

For the other songs, most churches now have what is called a CCLI license. I don't recall exactly what CCLI stands for, but it is a relatively low cost license that allows the church to project the music and lyrics, print words in worship bulletins, etc. The licensing fees are collected and then divvyed up among the songwriters, so they get their "fair share".

Gary Swartzlander
5th November 2006, 04:21 PM (16:21)
It just seems that I recall that the way church services were done then would be the way it would always be done. Maybe that was a childish assumption. It is ironic that just at the time the denomination comes out with the latest hymnal in the 90s that in so many of our churches they just gather dust in the rack while we look up at a screen to see the words to a song of praise. Are hymnals soon to become a relic of the past? How legal is the reprint of what is in the hymnal onto overhead projection sheets? Are the song writers getting their just compensation?

What are the chances that the way services were being done then was the way that services were done 100 years prior to that?