Students ban pledge of allegiance

[BobHunt]

"They see no reason to publicly swear loyality to God and the US government." -Orange County College, California

Im not sure but....ahhhh.. where do these young ones think they are living? I can only assume that if they do not have a loyality to God then they must belong to the devil. And if they are so discontent, maybe they should move to a land like Saudi, where it is illegal to worship our God, there they would feel more comfortable.
If they are not loyal to the US, somebody better watch em, maybe they are here for devious means and will create another 9/11.

[Barbara Moulton]

"They see no reason to publicly swear loyality to God and the US government." -Orange County College, California

Im not sure but....ahhhh.. where do these young ones think they are living? I can only assume that if they do not have a loyality to God then they must belong to the devil. And if they are so discontent, maybe they should move to a land like Saudi, where it is illegal to worship our God, there they would feel more comfortable.
If they are not loyal to the US, somebody better watch em, maybe they are here for devious means and will create another 9/11.

These students might not be saying they aren't loyal to God and their country. They simply don't see the need to publically swear to this loyalty on a regular basis. Indeed some of us NazNetters live in countries where we don't routinely make this public allegiance...yet are still very loyal to God and our country.

[BobHunt]

I hope that is true Barbara, this was a short article, and it isnt easy to know which way they mean this.

[Jim Franklin]

I would like to see a WWII vet visit their meeting and be allowed to speak to them about what loyalty is all about. Even the Scout oath speaks of doing one's duty to God and country. Of course, it doesn't seem like many of those students were Scouts.

[Stan Hall]

I agree, Bob. One of the people at that event said he/she "was an atheist and a socialist" and felt no allegiance to God or country.
Then why is he/she here? There are numerous socialist countries in the world. Why not go to one of them?

[Ron Davis]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God....."

I see God mentioned but no swearing of loyalty. I do see swearing loyalty to a republic which is one nation under God. Are we truly one nation under God today. If we are not what's the point.

Question number two is how do we support scripturally pledging allegiance to an object. "Do not worship any other gods.....Do not make idols of any kind" Exodus chapter 20. Or does Daniel 3 have any application here.

Just thoughts to ponder as I wonder if anyone had considered that such a stand could be taken from the purest of motives. Beyond that why do I need such a statement to prove my loyalty to God or country.

[Glenn Harris]

"They see no reason to publicly swear loyality to God and the US government." -Orange County College, California

Im not sure but....ahhhh.. where do these young ones think they are living? I can only assume that if they do not have a loyality to God then they must belong to the devil. And if they are so discontent, maybe they should move to a land like Saudi, where it is illegal to worship our God, there they would feel more comfortable.
If they are not loyal to the US, somebody better watch em, maybe they are here for devious means and will create another 9/11.

It's not the entire school. It's just the student council that has said they won't start their meetings with the pledge because one says he is an atheist and a couple of others say that this country doesn't deserve our loyalty because they haven't earned it.

My opinion is that it probably will cease to be an issue the next time student council elections come about. They have already learned about how to use our electoral policy to impose their wishes on others and hopefully they will learn the next lesson. Elected leaders end up being held responsible for their decisions.

[Hans Deventer]

Indeed some of us NazNetters live in countries where we don't routinely make this public allegiance...yet are still very loyal to God and our country.

In my 48 years in this country, I've never had to make any public allegiance to my country, not even while in the army.

The closest I've come would probably have been singing the national anthem on the Queen's birthday during primary school. Done that for 6 years in a row and didn't like it. The Queen's birthday is an official holiday but we were forced to go to school, walk up to the town hall, and sing. I didn't like the idea of being forced, even at age 12.

[Bruce Carriker]

It's not the entire school. It's just the student council that has said they won't start their meetings with the pledge because one says he is an atheist and a couple of others say that this country doesn't deserve our loyalty because they haven't earned it.


This is the part the troubles me the most.

What they want to do with God could merely reflect that the one kid is in atheist, or that we are a pluralist nation and there is no evidence that being a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, or Muslim doesn't automatically make one either a good or a bad citizen.

But this idea that the country hasn't EARNED their loyalty is garbage. You don't get to choose your family, and if you're born here, you don't get to choose your country. You hit the lottery of life, and you just ought to be thankful! What a bunch of spoiled brats. There parents need a swift kick in the butt, too, to have raised such disrespectful little cretins.

I'd rather see it work this way. LET THEM PROVE THEY DESERVE TO BE CITIZENS! When they turn 18, they get to do 2 years of public service. Military service would be one option, but any public service would be acceptable. Since we're a free country, anyone may decline to do public service, but if they do they would not be eligible to vote, to receive any government assistance for higher education, to receive SBA grants/loans if they want to start a business later in life, etc.

The idea that a bunch of juvenile punks thinks this country has to earn THEIR respect just makes me want to puke.

And this is the view of one of this board's "radical leftists". What must the real Americans here think?

[Glenn Harris]

The idea that a bunch of juvenile punks thinks this country has to earn THEIR respect just makes me want to puke.

I agree wholeheartedly, but unfortunately, one of the freedoms that people have died to uphold is their freedom to be horses behinds. Also, I can't help but think that they think the way they do because of what they were taught growing up. Their parents should be real proud of them.

My last thought is that I'm glad that everyone else in the country doesn't think like they do because if they did they wouldn't be able to express their opinions, regardless of how immature and ignorant they are.