Page is suddenly too wide!

[Cindi Hammons]

Scott,

When I load NazNet, it is suddenly too wide for my screen and I have to scroll to the right to read everything. All the other web-pages that I surf remain normal and unchanged.

Did I do something to make this change? How can I fix it? It's a pain! :)

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

It's a pain! :)

We can't have you in pain like that. How does it look to you now? I am balancing between people who use Firefox and Netscape seeing the quickmenu scroll and people who use IE and page width (and maybe, people who subscribe via RSS seeing a proper message).

[Dave McClung]

We can't have you in pain like that. How does it look to you now? I am balancing between people who use Firefox and Netscape seeing the quickmenu scroll and people who use IE and page width (and maybe, people who subscribe via RSS seeing a proper message).

Why don't you just tell them to get a "real" browser -- IE?

[Hans Deventer]

Why don't you just tell them to get a "real" browser -- IE?

I can't find the post any more, but the other day someone explained how he worked for a company that had a partnership with Microsoft and how they had to test IE7. It was full of bugs.

Found it! David R. Felter's post in http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php?t=8455

[Mike Schutz]

Greetings!

By the way, having no problems using Safari as my browser.

Oh, yeah, that's right, I'm using a Mac. I never have problems.

Didn't mean to rub it in.;)

Grace and peace,
Mike

[Dave McClung]

I can't find the post any more, but the other day someone explained how he worked for a company that had a partnership with Microsoft and how they had to test IE7. It was full of bugs.

Found it! David R. Felter's post in http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php?t=8455

It is just my observation, but I have observed that professional IT people always resist Microsoft.

My own personal experience has been that IE works for me. I have never had an exploited security issue and I find Microsoft Products to be better than anything else I have tried. But, I don't claim to be an IT professional.

[Dana Grant]

Scott,

When I load NazNet, it is suddenly too wide for my screen and I have to scroll to the right to read everything. All the other web-pages that I surf remain normal and unchanged.

Did I do something to make this change? How can I fix it? It's a pain! :)

OK, you can tell where my mind is........I can't believe I'm actually admitting to this.....

But when I saw the post title, I was feeling sorry for whoever Paige was....LOL

I read it as Paige, not Page.........

So, when Paige suddenly became too wide -- well, I felt very sorry for her.......

Then I opened the post........

Then I laughed out loud!!

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

I am guessing that Cindi is using IE. The forum was just fine on Firefox, but IE had a problem with the page width.

I tried to balance two work-arounds so that users of both browser families see pretty much the same forum.

I will hold out now for any more reports of problems. In the worse case scenario the quick menu won't scroll down the page in Firefox and Netscape, and very few people are using the quickmenu anyway.

[Dana Grant]

I am guessing that Cindi is using IE. The forum was just fine on Firefox, but IE had a problem with the page width.

I tried to balance two work-arounds so that users of both browser families see pretty much the same forum.

I will hold out now for any more reports of problems. In the worse case scenario the quick menu won't scroll down the page in Firefox and Netscape, and very few people are using the quickmenu anyway.

And for the record, I use IE and have not had any problems with it.

But poor Paige.......

LOL

[Cecil Wallace]

We can't have you in pain like that. How does it look to you now? I am balancing between people who use Firefox and Netscape seeing the quickmenu scroll and people who use IE and page width (and maybe, people who subscribe via RSS seeing a proper message).
It is my observation that pages are as wide as the widest image.
That being the case, it appears that either the NazNet logo or the group picture at the top is the cause of the problem. Has either been increased in size? Or is my Firefox browser to blame?

Just my thoughts.

[Jerry Frank]

It is just my observation, but I have observed that professional IT people always resist Microsoft.

My own personal experience has been that IE works for me. I have never had an exploited security issue and I find Microsoft Products to be better than anything else I have tried. But, I don't claim to be an IT professional.



I don't think that is always the case. Our IT department is switching our servers from Novell to Microsoft this weekend. I can hardly wait for the mass confusion when everyone logs in on Monday morning. :rolleyes:

I don't deny that Microsoft has been instrumental in helping, along with computer manufacturers, to bring affordable computing to the masses. They have and I appreciate that. My two complaints are:

- Microsoft software may be adequate but it is only their extreme marketing efforts that have made much of it more popular than competitors. The result is that, although I prefer to use Word Perfect, I am FORCED to have Word on my computer in order to communicate effectively with the rest of the world.

- Microsoft has tried (and continues to try) to monopolize the market for all forms of its software. In the process, they refuse to fully comply with various standards that have been set for effective communication. I am not an IT guy but I have designed and continue to maintain a website. My site is designed to acceptable Internet Standards but I am forced to include special work-arounds to handle IE readers. There is no real need for this but Microsoft insists on doing things their own way.

I think that most reaction is not against the real failings of any one Microsoft product but rather against the perceived monopolistic attitude that they present as a company.

Jerry

[Kevin Bowser]

It is just my observation, but I have observed that professional IT people always resist Microsoft.

My own personal experience has been that IE works for me. I have never had an exploited security issue and I find Microsoft Products to be better than anything else I have tried. But, I don't claim to be an IT professional.

I realize the thread is about NazNet and its relative width in various browsers. But I found you statement interesting. It is very typical of the individual end-user. Their experience is usually fine with Microsoft. However, the opinion shifts when you are an IT professional and have to support 86,000 desktops or laptops running the various Microsoft OS's and applications.

I am curious how many different browsers are used by NazNetters and what the distribution is. I use IE at work and Firefox at home. So, I may skew any data. Then you have guys like Mike Schutz who are using toy computers instead of real computers ... :basic03

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

I am curious how many different browsers are used by NazNetters and what the distribution is. I use IE at work and Firefox at home. So, I may skew any data. Then you have guys like Mike Schutz who are using toy computers instead of real computers ... :basic03

Just because you asked...

[Hans Deventer]

It is just my observation, but I have observed that professional IT people always resist Microsoft.

That's correct. And with reason. IT people like good technology. Microsoft has created a dominance not because of good software, but because of marketing.

Just look at the browser chart. Did all those IE6 people choose IE because they thought it was better than another browser? I'm willing to bet (though a good Nazarene shouldn't, of course :basic03 ) that most simply never bothered to use another browser than the one that came with Windows.

And is it a good one? Does Microsoft's monopoly help the users? Not even remotely. Only because Firefox started becoming popular, Redmond finally woke up and started to do some browser development, resulting in IE7. They care nothing about the users, just about the money.

Thank God (and I really mean that) for open source software. It is the only thing those guys cannot buy and that forces them to do their job less lousy.

Another example. For years, our company ran Novell NetWare. Great server operating system. Solid as a rock. And now, using Windows 2000-2003, we're always repairing strange glitches in the Active Directory etc etc. But we had to change, the market demanded it :basic04

And yes, I am guilty of being an IT professional.

[Kevin Bowser]

"Other Browsers" makes up a relatively large slice of the pie. :cool:

[Cindi Hammons]

Ha! Ha! No, Paige is just fine...Cindi, however is getting too wide. But I don't think Scott can do anything to help that!

I'm not at home, so I don't know what my screen looks like. Here at church, we use IE and it looks fine.

Thanks for the help
and
thanks for the laugh!

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

Ha! Ha! No, Paige is just fine...Cindi, however is getting too wide. But I don't think Scott can do anything to help that!


You are right -- I'm good, but I'm not that good.:basic03

[Cecil Wallace]

I am balancing between people who use Firefox and Netscape seeing the quickmenu scroll and people who use IE and page width
Personally, I don't think it is a browser problem.
I use a 800X600 pixel setting most of the time, and therein lies the problem for me. In both Firefox and MSIE, I have to scroll to see the right side of the page.
I tried it at 1024X768,using Firefox & MSIE, and both show the entire page.

Back to my original supposition.... it must be the logo and group pic sizes at the top of the pages.
Just my guess.

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

Thanks for the info Cecil -- I am pretty sure it is in the doctype declaration. I am assuming that you didn't have to scroll until yesterday afternoon when I changed that setting.

Personally, I don't think it is a browser problem.
I use a 800X600 pixel setting most of the time, and therein lies the problem for me. In both Firefox and MSIE, I have to scroll to see the right side of the page.
I tried it at 1024X768,using Firefox & MSIE, and both show the entire page.

Back to my original supposition.... it must be the logo and group pic sizes at the top of the pages.
Just my guess.

[Cecil Wallace]

I am assuming that you didn't have to scroll until yesterday afternoon when I changed that setting.
Correct.
Sorry I did not mention that.

[Gina Stevenson]

What I noticed is that I had to scroll back and forth to read one of the threads today, and tho't, "Oh, no!" thinking they were all going to be like that from now on. HOWEVER, I've not seen a thread like that since. Weird, huh?

ALSO, SCOTT ... did you already fix the quick-menu, adding the main page ... or did I overlook I overlook it before? Either way, thanks! (let me know how observant ... or not ... I was ;))

I am guessing that Cindi is using IE. The forum was just fine on Firefox, but IE had a problem with the page width.

I tried to balance two work-arounds so that users of both browser families see pretty much the same forum.

I will hold out now for any more reports of problems. In the worse case scenario the quick menu won't scroll down the page in Firefox and Netscape, and very few people are using the quickmenu anyway.

[Brad Mercer]

It is just my observation, but I have observed that professional IT people always resist Microsoft.

My own personal experience has been that IE works for me. I have never had an exploited security issue and I find Microsoft Products to be better than anything else I have tried. But, I don't claim to be an IT professional.


I'm not an IT professional either, and have never really had any security issues with any software I've used; my anti-virus software has always done its job. I do, however, vastly prefer Firefox over IE. I don't have any problems with it, and it's more customizable to my needs.

I understand that IE now has tabbed browsing, and as a general rule you can probably get anything from Microsoft that you can get somewhere else if you're willing to wait a couple of years longer for it. My only attempt to upgrade to IE7, however, was unsuccessful. After installing it, every time I tried to open it, it froze up. I haven't bothered trying again because I just have no compelling reason to do so.

Brad

[Brad Mercer]

Just because you asked...

Wow! Do you suppose "Other Browsers" is mostly Safari and Opera? That's a surprisingly big chunk of the pie.

Brad

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

ALSO, SCOTT ... did you already fix the quick-menu, adding the main page ... or did I overlook I overlook it before?

Nope, I fixed it just for you!

Wow! Do you suppose "Other Browsers" is mostly Safari and Opera? That's a surprisingly big chunk of the pie.

My guess is that at least some of the "other" browsers are just the common ordinary ones that somehow got misreported to the server so it thought about it about 1/100th of a second and decided to report it as "other."

That's just a guess though.

[Mark Bolerjack]

Wow! Do you suppose "Other Browsers" is mostly Safari and Opera? That's a surprisingly big chunk of the pie.

Brad


This is interesting, since my recent poll on preferred internet browsers did not show anyone using "other" browsers. It was all IE, Firefox, and Netscape.

http://www.naznet.com/community/poll...lts&pollid=161 (http://www.naznet.com/community/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=161)

[BobHunt]

can you tell Paige, somebody said she is too wide....yet I feel so sorry for her.....I know how hard it is to only eat lettuce and fruit.. and fat free yogart!! LOL
See posts above

[Randy Wise]

Greetings!

By the way, having no problems using Safari as my browser.

Oh, yeah, that's right, I'm using a Mac. I never have problems.

Didn't mean to rub it in.;)

Grace and peace,
Mike

Forgive me Father for I have sinned. I used parallels and installed Vista RC2 on my imac. <g> I have both and enjoy both. I will state that there is a extra cool factor with OS X. I have downloaded the mac program Path finder and believe I will purchase that program when the trial period is up.

Randy

[Judy Hamilton]

Thanks for the laugh Dana!!!!!!!

[Christine Kelly]

Sorry to jump into this thread so late, it has been some time since I logged on prior to yesterday. I also need to scroll to read the threads, can I fix it with settings?

Thanks,
Christine

[Brad Mercer]

Sorry to jump into this thread so late, it has been some time since I logged on prior to yesterday. I also need to scroll to read the threads, can I fix it with settings?

Thanks,
Christine

Starting last night I suddenly have to scroll way across the screen to see all or a poll chart. Everything else is still fine.

Brad

[Andrea Larabee]

Starting last night I suddenly have to scroll way across the screen to see all or a poll chart. Everything else is still fine.

Brad

That's exactly what is wrong with mine too! :eek:

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

Obviously its the new chatbox that's the only change that has been made. But it behaves very well on my Firefox and IE7. I tried it in every style and it resizes to fit the screen just as it should. The widest thing on the page is the banner and picture at the top and the screen can't be made less wide than that without getting scroll bars.

I even changed the screen resolution so that everything was giant sized and things still wrapped and fit as they should.

Perhaps you can tell me what style, size of monitor, web browser, etc. you are using?

[Mark Bolerjack]

This only happened to me on the post by Dave about the body mass index. The poll stretched across probably 4 screen widths. The rest of the post was ok, and all other posts were fine.
I have a 17" wide screen HP laptop set to 1440 x 900 resolution. I am using IE 6.0 and Windows XP

[Christine Kelly]

I am not computer savvy, but I work with IE 7 both at work and home, it does not fit at all.

Chris

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

I have disabled the chatbox -- please update me on the problems viewing and using NazNet forums.

Thanks.

[Christine Kelly]

No, it is still too wide on my computer...could it be something on my end?

Thanks anyway.

Christine

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

No, it is still too wide on my computer...could it be something on my end?

Thanks anyway.

Christine

I don't know why it would be that way. I've looked at it on 3 different computers and it looks okay. Tonight I upgraded the software and let it do the "big" upgrade -- then spent 3 hours getting things back to normal again. I was hoping that some file that needed to be changed would get changed back during the upgrade.

I am also interested in whether people are still having the posting glitch with the chatbox disabled...haven't had any reports since taking it off.

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

Dealing with the page width issue only for the moment.

The "widest" thing on the page is the top banner, consisting of the NazNet logo and the picture from GA. Those two things side by side are still considerably narrower than any computer screen that I know of. However, to try and isolate the problem some are having, I changed the html code so that if that banner was forcing your browser to add the scroll bars at the bottom and making the rest of the page too wide it will no longer to do.

Instead, you will simply see the logo above the photo.

I am looking for reports from people who see NazNet that way now.

I am also looking for reports from people who still see the screen as too wide.

Thanks.

[Brad Mercer]

I'm on a Dell Inspiron 6000. Everything looks fine except polls, which are fantastically too wide -- several screens wide. It seems to have started about the time the chat box was added, but hasn't changed back now that the chat box is gone.

Brad

Dealing with the page width issue only for the moment.

The "widest" thing on the page is the top banner, consisting of the NazNet logo and the picture from GA. Those two things side by side are still considerably narrower than any computer screen that I know of. However, to try and isolate the problem some are having, I changed the html code so that if that banner was forcing your browser to add the scroll bars at the bottom and making the rest of the page too wide it will no longer to do.

Instead, you will simply see the logo above the photo.

I am looking for reports from people who see NazNet that way now.

I am also looking for reports from people who still see the screen as too wide.

Thanks.

[Mark Bolerjack]

Here are some examples of what I see:

First, this is the home page of the community. Notice the scroll bar at the bottom. The page is about one inch wider than my screen - and I have a wide screen. Not sure what shows on normal size screens. However, the two graphics at the top are positioned side by side as it should be.

Next is the Poll. I thought it was only with one poll, but now I see that all polls that I opened are showing like this. Here is the front end of the poll.


Next is the back end of the poll. The percentages are in the thousands, not adding up to 100% like it should be.

Last is this picture. Notice at the top of the screen under the top green bar it has the name of the forums like "Naznet Community > General Discussion Forums. Right underneath it is a box with an "X" in it and a note that says "Reload the Page"

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

Thanks Mark -- switch over to the "basic" view and see if things fit -- that will tell me whether or not it is a template issue. Also which version of IE are you running?

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

Mark, thanks for the screen shots. I could duplicate the polls problem and I think I now have it fixed. I wonder if the other screen problems were fixed too? Can you check and let me know?

[Dave McClung]

Mark, thanks for the screen shots. I could duplicate the polls problem and I think I now have it fixed. I wonder if the other screen problems were fixed too? Can you check and let me know?

The poll problem seems to be fixed, but the screen width problem isn't. I didn't have a screen width problem before, but I do now.

I use IE.

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

I went back to the default view (Blue colors) and the screen width and poll problems are not there. Everything is ok with that view.

Still had a problem with clicking on the post quick reply button and getting the error message.

The basic view is different than the default view. It is the very last one listed -- it is a vBulletin view without any enhancements.

I'm going to stop fixing things now until I get an update from some folks on the forum width. I have narrowed it down a bit and changed the banner at the top of the page.

How's it looking for everyone now?

[Hans Deventer]

Is it your impression that the web connect simply timed out? Maybe our server is still being pushed too hard? Or maybe it is just an internet traffic problem once in awhile. I really don't know and it is hard for me work on because I haven't had that problem.

I don't think so. If that were the case, it would change from time to time andnot happen during a time when I'm a awake and only the Aussies, Ian and me are up. We don't post enough to push the server too hard :basic05

[Marsha Lynn]

The basic view is different than the default view. It is the very last one listed -- it is a vBulletin view without any enhancements.

I'm going to stop fixing things now until I get an update from some folks on the forum width. I have narrowed it down a bit and changed the banner at the top of the page.

How's it looking for everyone now?

Scott,

It's not just an IE problem. I was seeing the wide poll results in Firefox. As of now, however, everything is looking good. I didn't change anything on my end. Same browser, same view.

Marsha

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

Scott,

It's not just an IE problem. I was seeing the wide poll results in Firefox. As of now, however, everything is looking good. I didn't change anything on my end. Same browser, same view.

Marsha

Once Mark was kind enough to post a screen shot fixing the poll problem was easy enough.

I'm glad the screen width is okay for you. I hope to get other reports on that too. I am thinking it should be fixed now -- but won't know unless I get some other reports, as I have never seen that part of the problem (interesting -- I have looked at NazNet on 3 or 4 different computers and didn't see it!) As you can guess, fixing a screen width problem without seeing it is rather challenging!

[Eugenia Whitten]

New Problem now!

When I click on the "Thanks" button, it disappears - but no "Thanks" at the bottom of the post.

[Gina Stevenson]

OK, here's something that's been going on for months that didn't used to; hesitate to mention it, lest any "fix" might break something else! :rolleyes: Anyway, I'll show you what happened back months ago. Used to be we'd see this pretty pink roses/pearls background from left to right margin. Since a few months ago, there's much more white around it than the actual nice background that used to spread from side to side of screen. Here's the more-white-than-pink-roses screen shot [reduced, in case it wouldn't be accepted here size-wise]. Well, tho't I'd show you; have to go try to downsize some more. OK, here 'tis (also had tried a different screen resolution; still got the white):

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[the blue at RH bottom is just the DL manager]


New Problem now!

When I click on the "Thanks" button, it disappears - but no "Thanks" at the bottom of the post.

Eugenia, have had that happen, too. Figured out, after closing a tab or two, that it had to do with memory being full enough it didn't have enough in it to help that "Thanks" show by putting my name below. After a few things were closed, it then showed up. So, that one might be at your computer's end rather than here. ;)

[Christine Kelly]

Thanks so much...I can now read everything without scrolling to the right. I can see the page reformat to a smaller size when going between the threads. Thanks again.

Chris