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Hans Deventer
7th January 2007, 03:54 PM (15:54)
In ancient Greece, Socrates (469 - 399 BC) was widely lauded for his
wisdom.

One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to
him excitedly and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about
one of your students?"

"Wait a moment," Socrates replied. "Before you tell me I'd like you to
pass a little test. It's called the Test of Three."

"Three?"

"That's right, Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my
student let's take a moment to test what you're going to say. The first
test is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to
tell me is true?"

No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it." "All right," said
Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not.

Now let's try the second test, the test of Goodness. Is what you are
about to tell me about my student something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him
even though you're not certain it's true?"

The man shrugged, a little embarrassed.

Socrates continued. "You may still pass though, because there is a third
test - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my
student going to be useful to me?"

No, not really..."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither True
nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all?"

The man was defeated and left, ashamed.

Joel Merrill
7th January 2007, 04:42 PM (16:42)
Very Good :fav18

Joel

Dennis M. Scott
7th January 2007, 07:36 PM (19:36)
Please disregard my previous post. You know, what I said about you know who.


:eek:

Joel Merrill
7th January 2007, 11:15 PM (23:15)
But what if it is a prayer request? :basic03


Joel :fun09

Wilson L. Deaton
8th January 2007, 03:56 PM (15:56)
But what if it is a prayer request? :basic03


Joel :fun09

I'm going to need a few more details if I'm to pray more effectively!

Wilson

Wilson L. Deaton
8th January 2007, 03:59 PM (15:59)
In ancient Greece, Socrates (469 - 399 BC) was widely lauded for his wisdom.

One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance...

Hans,

Sometimes it really shows that are "just" a layperson and not a minister. A real minister would have known to change Socrates to some great Christian leader like Wesley or Bresee. :basic05

Wilson

Billy Cox
8th January 2007, 06:50 PM (18:50)
Socrates continued. "You may still pass though, because there is a third
test - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my
student going to be useful to me?"




I have a feeling that some Christians would consider 'usefulness' to be irrelevant to the question of whether information is gossip or not...especially in terms of it trumping truth and goodness.

Hans Deventer
9th January 2007, 01:24 AM (01:24)
Sometimes it really shows that are "just" a layperson and not a minister. A real minister would have known to change Socrates to some great Christian leader like Wesley or Bresee. :basic05


I'm sorry, Wilson. I guess true colours eventually come through :basic03

Anne and Dwayne Hood
10th January 2007, 08:12 AM (08:12)
Well, Hans is a minister also--at times. I imagine he is a very good speaker. I am proud of him, and believe he sets a good example of holiness in his country.

Gina Stevenson
10th January 2007, 12:33 PM (12:33)
Well, Hans is a minister also--at times. I imagine he is a very good speaker. I am proud of him, and believe he sets a good example of holiness in his country.

Anne, tho't I detected a bit of TIC in Wilson's statement, rather than anything aimed at Hans, eh? ;)

David Cash
11th January 2007, 10:03 PM (22:03)
Without subtituting the name of a famous Christian for Socrates, I once read the biography of an evangelist from another denomination. (John R. Rice was a fundamental Baptist.) His biographer recounted how another minister had called him with some gossip about a fellow preacher. Dr. Rice's response was "I don't believe it."

The gossiper asked,"Why?"

Dr. Rice responded, "I don't want to."

In the end, the story the gossiper was trying to spread proved untrue.

At least that's how I remember from a book I read more than twenty years ago.

Good post. Thanks, Hans.

David Cash

Hans Deventer
12th January 2007, 01:33 AM (01:33)
Well, Hans is a minister also--at times. I imagine he is a very good speaker. I am proud of him, and believe he sets a good example of holiness in his country.

Thank you for your kinds words Anne, and they are appreciated! But I'm sure Wilson was only joking!