Read Matthew 24 in "The Message" then

[Jim Franklin]

let us analyze the Prophet of Doom on Global Warming. First, he tried to get the public to believe that he and Tipper's courtship was the inspiration for some movie which the writer's disclaimed. Then he tried to claim for himself the invention of the internet. Now he is trying to project a belief that "the sky is falling in" with his Global Warming Warning. Does the man have a messianic complex to the point that the general public would be so traumatized to the point that he would be called on to become our "savior" from world wide chaos and disaster or are some of these now politically correct (scientists?) being gored by algorisms? Save the planet, stop shooting projectiles into space so that the finite balance of the earth's total weight is not reduced to the point of being drawn closer to the Sun and cause Global Warming.

[Garth Lahana]

WOW Jim, that's quite a statement. Why the attack on Mr. G, and why should "The Message" be any different from any other version of the Bible, in what it's trying to say???

This could get interesting...
Garth

[Jim Franklin]

The "Message" is just what I happened to read in my devotions this morning and while reading it I could not help but think of Mr. G. Yesterday I had heard on Fox News a scientist debunk the whole Global Warming issue, and from my own graduate studies in Geography and Climatology I am skeptical of the whole pronouncement when as recently as the 70s we were being warned of the return of Ice Age conditions in 300-500 years. I think of Al Gore as grasping at most anything that will make him look far more important and smart than he really is.

[Garth Lahana]

The "Message" is just what I happened to read in my devotions this morning and while reading it I could not help but think of Mr. G. Yesterday I had heard on Fox News a scientist debunk the whole Global Warming issue, and from my own graduate studies in Geography and Climatology I am skeptical of the whole pronouncement when as recently as the 70s we were being warned of the return of Ice Age conditions in 300-500 years. I think of Al Gore as grasping at most anything that will make him look far more important and smart than he really is.

True, there are so many theories about global warming, no one can really say.

Just made me think about your 2008 elections... could these statements perhaps have anything to do with Al wanting to stand for election against Hillary for presidential candidate for the democrats? It would sure make people think about him in a different light perhaps. Just voicing thoughts...

Garth

[Wilson L. Deaton]

let us analyze the Prophet of Doom on Global Warming. .... Now he is trying to project a belief that "the sky is falling in" with his Global Warming Warning.

Jim,

Have you have read, "An Inconvenient Truth," or seen the film?

I studied logic in college. Here is a quote from a textbook chapter on, "Fallacies of Irrelevance."

"The fallacy known as argumentum ad hominem, or 'argument against the man,' is generally based on the assumption that anything which discredits the man discredits his argument. Thus instead of meeting a proposition directly with evidence that is objectionable, we may attack the person who advances the proposition, ... If we are suspsicious of the results announced by a research scholar, and give as our reason that the results are not to be relied on because the scholar was recently a principal figure in a notorious scandal, are are using the argumentum ad hominem argument. ..."

I keep people discounting global warming because of Gore's association with it. I haven't heard many people say much about the content of Gore's message.

Sadly, most people who argue against Gore's message have simply heard that he has a mesasge but have not actually heard his message.

Wilson

[Jim Franklin]

Al Gore never thought the clintons helped him as much as they should have in the campaign of 2000 and he is still stinging from his hurt feelings of his narrow defeat. I am sure if he told his true feelings he might say, "hillary becoming president, 'over my dead body."

[Garth Lahana]

"hillary becoming president, 'over my dead body."

LOL

[Jim Franklin]

If the "Inconvenient Truth" is a movie then of course as a veteran Nazarene I would not go to see it. My training and the reputation of Mr. G are enough to make me skeptical of his whole campaign.

[Hans Deventer]

If the "Inconvenient Truth" is a movie then of course as a veteran Nazarene I would not go to see it. My training and the reputation of Mr. G are enough to make me skeptical of his whole campaign.

Jim, I understand there is also a book out with the same title.

http://www.amazon.com/Inconvenient-Truth-Planetary-Emergency-Warming/dp/1594865671/sr=1-1/qid=1171138211/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-3315469-8450351?ie=UTF8&s=books

[Dennis M. Scott]

I have the book, and reported on it in the book review forum. Really nice pictures, and a couple good illustrations. The most significant illustration probably was that the Gore family raised tobacco, pooh poohing all those who warned about the evils of tobacco - a pretty popular theme of veteran Nazarenes, incidentally. Finally, Al's older sister died of lung cancer, and the family the next day sold their tobacco holdings. Gore points out that the same kind of "scientific evidence" regarding tobacco was treated by the tobacco industry like similar evidence regarding global warming is now being treated by the fossil fuel industry.

Seems like a bunch of people have changed their shoes. Just an interesting comparison. Too bad Al Gore is such an unpopular spokesperson. The fact that a preacher may be inept doesn't change the Truth of the Gospel.

I suspect there's truth in the book. Probably it's overdone. Some preachers have been known to claim that a second work of grace did some things that were a little more than it actually did, too.

[Gina Stevenson]

... recently is that, while one pole may be melting some, the other pole is colder than it's been (something we'd not heard before ... until just in the past few days). If this is so, then it sounds like perhaps we've no "global warming," but a "globe/earth" tilted on its axis, perhaps?

What would cause this? Are some of these unknown objects that we've heard have landed in people's yards, etc, in recent months/years possibly only a small indication of what's hit the earth from "out there"? Could there have been, perhaps, some much larger that landed in the ocean rather than on land ... that were big enough to jar the earth away from what was its original axis?

This speculation wasn't even mentioned on the report of one pole getting colder while the other is getting warmer, but it just came to mind ... just as something else awhile ago, where I was going to return to some post and explain it was my tho'ts, rather than someone else's ... and forgot to. ;)

As for that preacher who claims sanctification can do things it doesn't really do ... seems I've met more people (self included) who were given such an idea in years past, and were rather discouraged when "it" didn't happen to them. However, I do have to agree that the "correct version" of the Gospel, as you said Dennis, isn't affected by the carrier ... when it is correct.

Seems like a bunch of people have changed their shoes. Just an interesting comparison. Too bad Al Gore is such an unpopular spokesperson. The fact that a preacher may be inept doesn't change the Truth of the Gospel.

I suspect there's truth in the book. Probably it's overdone. Some preachers have been known to claim that a second work of grace did some things that were a little more than it actually did, too.

[Marsha Gupton]

let us analyze the Prophet of Doom on Global Warming. First, he tried to get the public to believe that he and Tipper's courtship was the inspiration for some movie which the writer's disclaimed. Then he tried to claim for himself the invention of the internet. Now he is trying to project a belief that "the sky is falling in" with his Global Warming Warning. Does the man have a messianic complex to the point that the general public would be so traumatized to the point that he would be called on to become our "savior" from world wide chaos and disaster or are some of these now politically correct (scientists?) being gored by algorisms? Save the planet, stop shooting projectiles into space so that the finite balance of the earth's total weight is not reduced to the point of being drawn closer to the Sun and cause Global Warming.

I have not read Al Gore's book and probably will not, but why are you constantly demeaning him on this forum. Perhaps its because I am from Tennessee, that this bothers me. But why are you mentioning his and Tipper's courtship?

Back when the Gore's raised tobacco many farmer's in Tennessee at that time were tobacco farmers, including my grandparents (on my Dad's side). They were not nazarenes but were wonderful godly people nevertheless.

I believe that more people than Al Gore have noted the global warming theroy.

[Hans Deventer]

The fact that a preacher may be inept doesn't change the Truth of the Gospel.

John 1:46 "Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?" Nathanael asked. "Come and see," said Philip.

Sounds like wisdom, to be willing to overcome one's prejudices.