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			<title>A Four Year Old Friend</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 03:56:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I know I am late arriving at my youngest granddaughter’s four year celebration as the cake is almost gone. The backyard is filled with a blow-up...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I know I am late arriving at my youngest granddaughter’s four year celebration as the cake is almost gone. The backyard is filled with a blow-up bounce machine; this one has a slide which the girls and boys enjoy with maxed out activity and giggles. It is time for Megan to open her presents.  Megan pulls a tin Barbie princess purse out of a gift bag. With a smile from ear-to-ear splashed across the face of her little friend Gabriella (the two could be sisters as they both have blonde hair and sweet-sweet four year old faces) she says softly, <i>“I put those things in there just for you Megan.” </i>Out of the never-ending-bottom-purse, Megan pulls out an assortment of large round suckers, a matching purple bead necklace and bracelet, and several good size sticks of chalk art.<br />
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Megan's Nana is privy to watch friendship in its purest form. Thank you Gabriella when you freely show your love for your friend by putting together your four year old birthday gift “just for Megan.”</div>


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			<dc:creator>Judy Hamilton</dc:creator>
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			<title>How do we live in a gay world?</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 19:12:14 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I was recently asked by a former student to respond to this: 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I was recently asked by a former student to respond to this:<br />
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<a href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/15/my-take-what-the-bible-really-says-about-homosexuality/?hpt=hp_c1" target="_blank">http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...ity/?hpt=hp_c1</a><br />
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I thought some here might be interested in my response. It is not comprehensive and does not address all the issues.  It is only a personal reflection that is open to rethinking (I don't need all the arguments rehashed; I've already heard them).<br />
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			I think it is the typical rationalization without much attention to what Scripture says or means.  While the biblical stance against homosexuality is not quite as strong as some would like it to be, it cannot really be rationalized away either by appeal to word meanings, cultural changes, social awareness, or by challenging simplistic proof texts.  I think it is a classic case of beginning with a conclusion and then interpreting Scripture toward that conclusion.<br />
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On the one hand, I think we, especially evangelical Christians, have probably made far too big an issue out of this to the point of becoming unloving and violating the acceptance of people as people, where they are, that Jesus taught and modeled. On the other hand, I am tired of hearing people with genuine and honestly held positions against homosexuality and gay marriage labeled bigots for holding such a position. Both sides need to chill. <br />
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I understand some of the medical and psychological evidence of gender confusion or even biological and genetic evidence related to gender identity.  But then to argue that it is &quot;normal&quot; and therefore acceptable is a big step in logic.  Not everything that is &quot;normal&quot; is inherantly a good thing and therefore acceptable.  It is also &quot;normal&quot; for most people to be biologically hard wired to be promiscuous, but we acknowledge that for the sake of society and relationships, that normal condition needs to be controlled and modified.  When it is not, it becomes destructive.  Most of the other arguments in favor of homosexuality, like some of those presented here, tend to be very selective, sometimes distorted, and in many cases will not stand up to sound logic.<br />
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Bottom line for me (and it is a personal position):  I am called to love other people with the love of Christ. I am not called to judge people for where they are in their life journey.  That is God's responsibility.  I think an active homosexual lifestyle is wrong and destructive, like so many other things against which Scripture warns.  Yet, it is not our job as Christians to condemn others but rather to model Christlikeness for them, to live as people of God loving others as God has first loved us.<br />
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I know and have worked with several gay and lesbian persons and couples. All of them are decent people, and I have tried hard to treat them with equal respect.  I doubt if it would help them in a relationship with God if I were to rail against them for their lifestyle.  If they would ask, I would openly talk with them about it (and risk being labeled a bigot).  Until then, the best witness to God I can offer them is to model for them the love of Christ by how I treat them (Matt 7:12).
			
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</div> Grace and Peace,<br />
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Dennis B.<br />
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Dennis Bratcher<br />
Executive Director, CRI/Voice, Institute<br />
<a href="http://www.crivoice.org/" target="_blank">http://www.crivoice.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cresourcei.org/" target="_blank">http://www.cresourcei.org/</a></div>

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			<dc:creator>Dennis Bratcher</dc:creator>
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			<title>Conservative beats</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 14:43:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>establishment Republican in Nebraska.</description>
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			<dc:creator>Jim Franklin</dc:creator>
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			<title>Carolita Fraley</title>
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			<description>Our Intermountain District NMI president and former missionary with her husband, David, in France who fell the day after our missionary convention...</description>
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			<dc:creator>Jim Franklin</dc:creator>
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			<title>Chit-chat If I said, while facing you . . .</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:42:21 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[. . . and rubbing my right cheek, "Rub your right cheek" - would you rub your right cheek or rub your left cheek, as if you'd been looking into a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>. . . and rubbing my right cheek, &quot;Rub your right cheek&quot; - would you rub your right cheek or rub your left cheek, as if you'd been looking into a mirror?<br />
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:smilies1447:<br />
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Yes, this issue is of VITAL importance!<br />
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-neb</div>

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			<dc:creator>Nelson Bradford</dc:creator>
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			<title>Otto Grimm dead at 110</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:36:40 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Otto Grimm, of Muncie, Montana, died last week at age 110.  At an early age, a crusty old pioneer told him that the secret of a long life was to...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Otto Grimm, of Muncie, Montana, died last week at age 110.  At an early age, a crusty old pioneer told him that the secret of a long life was to sprinkle a pinch of gun powder on his oatmeal every morning.  Otto left six children, seventeen grandchildren, thirty three great grandchildren, and a fifty foot hole where the crematorium used to be.</div>

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			<dc:creator>Dennis M. Scott</dc:creator>
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			<title>Inspirational “The Cross is Not Greater”</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 10:01:33 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>But he gives us more grace. ~ James 4:6 
 
William Booth was the founder of The Salvation Army.  He was the father of eight children.  Born in 1857...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>But he gives us more grace. ~ <a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NIV&passage=James+4%3A6" title="Bible Gateway" target="_blank">James 4:6</a><br />
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William Booth was the founder of The Salvation Army.  He was the father of eight children.  Born in 1857 Yorkshire, England was his second child, Ballington.  As a teenager, he began preaching in Salvation Army open-air meetings, where he would often end by singing and playing his concertina.  He became a Colonel in The Salvation Army at the age of 23, when he was positioned as a Training Officer. He was later moved to Australia, United States, and Canada.  He married there and was assigned to the United States soon after.<br />
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Booth was Commander of the American Salvation Army from 1887-96.  Unfortunately, Ballington began to be in open conflict with his brother Bramwell, Chief of Staff of the Salvation Army.  As a result, the Army reassigned them to positions outside the United States.  Rather than move, the couple left The Salvation Army.<br />
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On March 8, 1896, they founded God's American Volunteers, which was soon renamed Volunteers of America. Many Salvationists made the move with them.  Booth led the Volunteers for the next 43 years until his death in 1940.<br />
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He wrote this song in 1892, four years before founding the Volunteers.  It first appeared in &quot;The Soldier Soloist.&quot; <br />
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The cross that He gave may be heavy,<br />
But it ne’er outweighs His grace.<br />
The storm that I feared may surround me,<br />
But it ne’er excludes His face.<br />
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Refrain<br />
The cross is not greater than His grace.<br />
The storm cannot hide His blessed face.<br />
I am satisfied to know<br />
That with Jesus here below<br />
I can conquer every foe.<br />
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- Ballington Booth, 1892<br />
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Copied from“Sing to the Lord” © 1993 by Lillenas Publishing Company<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[I was on T.V. yesterday for maybe 30 seconds.[Ch.11]]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 07:17:35 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I was outside in the shade of the garage doing research on an essay or book whichever it turns out to be; it is basically for my grandchildren and...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">I was outside in the shade of the garage doing research on an essay or book whichever it turns out to be; it is basically for my grandchildren and the catechism class I will teach this fall. It will be called,”Tell me the story of Jesus from eternity to eternity”. </font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">One of the local channel 11, news teams asked me if I knew anything about the accident on Sunday in which a small boy was killed on the main thoroughfare just behind us. I guess they heard the tape recorder playing some Blackwood Brother’s music, probably too loud, and no one else was home in the neighborhood.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The little boy, Abraham Garcia, had run into the street to look at a dead squirrel, and was hit about 5:00 p.m. on Sunday.<br />
I told them that I did not see anything ,and, that as a fire fighter in the refinery spectators just get in the way, so, I had not gone over there until Life Flight had been gone for about 45 minutes.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">I usually walk that road, most every day, on the sidewalk and have noticed a lot of speeding. My black friend, Jerry, and I were drinking a cold class of water on an August evening when we witnessed a dog hit by someone whom we guessed was going at least 50 miles per hour. One of us stated that we were glad it was not a child as the speed limit is 30 miles per hour there, but it is a busy street as it connects Dixie Farm road to the Sam Houston toll -way and further on it is the best way to get to the Hobby airport.</font></font><br />
<font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"> They talked to me for about thirty minutes and their presentation was edited correctly.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The boy lived only 3 doors south of us..I’m always joking with the children by asking them what they learned that day in school? They get out of school about the time I am finishing my around 5 mile trip.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">I have tried to see the neighbors, since Monday morning, and when we do Rosalie is planning to cook them something. It will be good!!!</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Please pray for them.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Grace and Power, <a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NIV&passage=Acts+6%3A8" title="Bible Gateway" target="_blank">Acts 6:8</a></font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">John Ross</font></font><br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Bell's Chapel Church of the Nazarene -Revival 3rd Sunday of August 1907-Re. Ed.Snell]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 06:13:59 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Evangelist John Briscoe, whose mother is a Snell, returned my call concerning this Rev. Snell. I can’t recall if it was Edd or E.D, but it doesn’t...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Evangelist John Briscoe, whose mother is a Snell, returned my call concerning this Rev. Snell. I can’t recall if it was Edd or E.D, but it doesn’t matter for he helped organize the COFN, there. He was John’s mother, and His Uncle Lawrence Snell’s Grand Father’s brother. I guess that would make him John Briscoe and Edie Snell’s great great Uncle.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Rosalie had gone to Seattle on Good Friday and knowing she was going  I thought I’d like to go back to Bell’s Chapel to worship with them .I have had a deep longing to spend an Easter with them ever since  I got sick.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">We were their Parsonage family for three years from basically August 1971 to August 1974. The interesting thing about that was that I interviewed with them on the third Sat. of August 1971 when our Deborah was three weeks old. That next day they would be 64 years old.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Those are the kindest folks I have ever been around, and it was a maximum blessing to preach for the first time in about 7 years. They knew of the health problems I had and when I said,”I might really mess up and have some senior moments, their answer was,”Brother John preach anyway.” </font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">The Holy Spirit was in that place, and since their fill- in is not credentialed we had communion on Easter. </font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">I don’t know if the Lectionary allows it, but it seems to me that Jesus broke bread with those two disciples in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NIV&passage=Luke+24%3A30" title="Bible Gateway" target="_blank">Luke 24:30</a>.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Then my favorite verse in the Gentile Luke’s Gospel account, was part of that narrative,”Did not our hearts burn within us while He was speaking to us on the road, and while he was explaining the scriptures to us?</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">We had that same “strangely warm experience” together on that same Easter day, tying us to that great invisible Church. We are not part of that frozen Chosen, but those folks just express it differently; That was not meant as a slam, but we evangelicals place a great value on heart felt  worship.</font></font><br />
<font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"> Hallelujah!</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Man am I thankful for that Snell fellow for what he did to start that Church we were able to serve, and for the three relatives of his who have prayed and fasted for both Rosalie and me while we have gone through our caldrons of affliction.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">One of my daughters said to me the other day,” Dad, you are back,” I replied yes, I think so,” Warts and All”’</font></font><br />
<font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman"> His will be done.</font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">Grace and Power <a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NIV&passage=Acts+6%3A8" title="Bible Gateway" target="_blank">Acts 6:8</a></font></font><br />
<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">John Ross</font></font><br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Lombardi's Crises Profit Alert]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 05:42:28 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I am not an investor but I thought those of you who are might find it interesting.  Just wished I could be able to figure out the link thing, but I...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I am not an investor but I thought those of you who are might find it interesting.  Just wished I could be able to figure out the link thing, but I am sure if you search for it, it will be available.</div>

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			<dc:creator>Jim Franklin</dc:creator>
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			<title>Advice House Hunting, Building Tips</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 02:02:52 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[As I'm house hunting, I'm noticing that houses with large kitchens (gourmet) tend to have large other areas.  I'm looking for a house I don't think...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>As I'm house hunting, I'm noticing that houses with large kitchens (gourmet) tend to have large other areas.  I'm looking for a house I don't think exists, large kitchen, open to other areas (for entertaining), but less than 3000 sq ft overall.  Any ideas on what I should be looking for?<br />
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(Large kitchen, open space, inground pool, everything else is negotiable)</div>

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			<dc:creator>Dan Henderson</dc:creator>
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			<title>Chit-chat My Top Ten “Nel-Scenes”</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 21:15:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've recently decided to devote a portion of the garage (My Man Cave) into an art gallery of sorts - displaying my top ten favorite scenes.  This has...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've recently decided to devote a portion of the garage (My Man Cave) into an art gallery of sorts - displaying my top ten favorite scenes.  This has not been an easy task . . .  but I have a limited amount of space to work with or there would be more - many more - on display out there.<br />
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			<dc:creator>Nelson Bradford</dc:creator>
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			<title>Information Rudest Cities</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:50:36 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[according to USA Today's Travel Editors. 
 
1. Los Angeles 
2. New York 
3. Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love 
4. Miami 
5. Washington DC 
6....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>according to USA Today's Travel Editors.<br />
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1. Los Angeles<br />
2. New York<br />
3. Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love<br />
4. Miami<br />
5. Washington DC<br />
6. Boston<br />
7. Baltimore<br />
8. Las Vegas<br />
9. Orlando<br />
10. Dallas/Fort Worth<br />
11. Atlanta<br />
12. Phoenix/Scottsdale<br />
13. Memphis<br />
14. San Francisco<br />
15. Chicago<br />
16. Seattle<br />
17. Santa Fe<br />
18. Providence<br />
19. Houston <br />
20. Anchorage</div>

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			<dc:creator>Jim Franklin</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Larry Winget's speech for grads]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 16:24:06 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>This is brief, but I think he said more in 3 minutes than most commencement speakers say in 30.  You can listen to it at the foxnews link or you can...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This is brief, but I think he said more in 3 minutes than most commencement speakers say in 30.  You can listen to it at the foxnews link or you can read it at the activerain link.<br />
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Some of you won't like it, but in my world it's spot on.  It ought to be what every graduate hears.<br />
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<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-friends/index.html#/v/1639547947001/after-the-show-show-graduation-2012/?playlist_id=86912" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-fr...ylist_id=86912</a><br />
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<a href="http://activerain.com/blogsview/3259760/-it-is-your-job-to-be-worth-more-than-you-cost-" target="_blank">http://activerain.com/blogsview/3259...than-you-cost-</a></div>

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			<dc:creator>Glenn Messer</dc:creator>
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			<title>Personal update Grand Canyon Adventure -- May 2012</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 04:24:25 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Linda and I have been taking all of our children and their spouses with us on Grand Canyon Adventures.  Last week, it was Jenna's turn.  Her husband...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Linda and I have been taking all of our children and their spouses with us on Grand Canyon Adventures.  Last week, it was Jenna's turn.  Her husband was unable to go along.  <br />
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In addition, to Jenna, we had three friends from Tucson.  Some of our pictures are here:  <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/112968072096587968801/GrandCanyonAdventureMay2012?authuser=0&amp;feat=directlink" target="_blank">https://picasaweb.google.com/1129680...eat=directlink</a></div>

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			<dc:creator>Dave McClung</dc:creator>
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