NazNet Community Forum - General Discussion http://www.naznet.com/community/ General fellowship of members and friends of the Church of the Nazarene en Thu, 17 May 2012 10:24:25 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.naznet.com/community/images/misc/rss.png NazNet Community Forum - General Discussion http://www.naznet.com/community/ Chit-chat If I said, while facing you . . . http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8291-If-I-said-while-facing-you-.-.-.?goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 13:42:21 GMT . . . and rubbing my right cheek, "Rub your right cheek" - would you rub your right cheek or rub your left cheek, as if you'd been looking into a mirror?

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Yes, this issue is of VITAL importance!

-neb ]]> General Discussion Nelson Bradford http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8291-If-I-said-while-facing-you-.-.-. Inspirational “The Cross is Not Greater” http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8289-“The-Cross-is-Not-Greater”?goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 10:01:33 GMT But he gives us more grace. ~ James 4:6 William Booth was the founder of The Salvation Army. He was the father of eight children. Born in 1857... But he gives us more grace. ~ James 4:6

William Booth was the founder of The Salvation Army. He was the father of eight children. Born in 1857 Yorkshire, England was his second child, Ballington. As a teenager, he began preaching in Salvation Army open-air meetings, where he would often end by singing and playing his concertina. He became a Colonel in The Salvation Army at the age of 23, when he was positioned as a Training Officer. He was later moved to Australia, United States, and Canada. He married there and was assigned to the United States soon after.

Booth was Commander of the American Salvation Army from 1887-96. Unfortunately, Ballington began to be in open conflict with his brother Bramwell, Chief of Staff of the Salvation Army. As a result, the Army reassigned them to positions outside the United States. Rather than move, the couple left The Salvation Army.

On March 8, 1896, they founded God's American Volunteers, which was soon renamed Volunteers of America. Many Salvationists made the move with them. Booth led the Volunteers for the next 43 years until his death in 1940.

He wrote this song in 1892, four years before founding the Volunteers. It first appeared in "The Soldier Soloist."

The cross that He gave may be heavy,
But it ne’er outweighs His grace.
The storm that I feared may surround me,
But it ne’er excludes His face.

Refrain
The cross is not greater than His grace.
The storm cannot hide His blessed face.
I am satisfied to know
That with Jesus here below
I can conquer every foe.

- Ballington Booth, 1892

Copied from“Sing to the Lord” © 1993 by Lillenas Publishing Company

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]]> General Discussion Nelson Bradford http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8289-“The-Cross-is-Not-Greater” <![CDATA[I was on T.V. yesterday for maybe 30 seconds.[Ch.11]]]> http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8288-I-was-on-T.V.-yesterday-for-maybe-30-seconds.-Ch.11?goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 07:17:35 GMT I was outside in the shade of the garage doing research on an essay or book whichever it turns out to be; it is basically for my grandchildren and... I was outside in the shade of the garage doing research on an essay or book whichever it turns out to be; it is basically for my grandchildren and the catechism class I will teach this fall. It will be called,”Tell me the story of Jesus from eternity to eternity”.
One of the local channel 11, news teams asked me if I knew anything about the accident on Sunday in which a small boy was killed on the main thoroughfare just behind us. I guess they heard the tape recorder playing some Blackwood Brother’s music, probably too loud, and no one else was home in the neighborhood.
The little boy, Abraham Garcia, had run into the street to look at a dead squirrel, and was hit about 5:00 p.m. on Sunday.
I told them that I did not see anything ,and, that as a fire fighter in the refinery spectators just get in the way, so, I had not gone over there until Life Flight had been gone for about 45 minutes.
I usually walk that road, most every day, on the sidewalk and have noticed a lot of speeding. My black friend, Jerry, and I were drinking a cold class of water on an August evening when we witnessed a dog hit by someone whom we guessed was going at least 50 miles per hour. One of us stated that we were glad it was not a child as the speed limit is 30 miles per hour there, but it is a busy street as it connects Dixie Farm road to the Sam Houston toll -way and further on it is the best way to get to the Hobby airport.
They talked to me for about thirty minutes and their presentation was edited correctly.
The boy lived only 3 doors south of us..I’m always joking with the children by asking them what they learned that day in school? They get out of school about the time I am finishing my around 5 mile trip.
I have tried to see the neighbors, since Monday morning, and when we do Rosalie is planning to cook them something. It will be good!!!
Please pray for them.
Grace and Power, Acts 6:8
John Ross

]]> General Discussion John Ross http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8288-I-was-on-T.V.-yesterday-for-maybe-30-seconds.-Ch.11 <![CDATA[Bell's Chapel Church of the Nazarene -Revival 3rd Sunday of August 1907-Re. Ed.Snell]]> http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8287-Bell-s-Chapel-Church-of-the-Nazarene-Revival-3rd-Sunday-of-August-1907-Re.-Ed.Snell?goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 06:13:59 GMT Evangelist John Briscoe, whose mother is a Snell, returned my call concerning this Rev. Snell. I can’t recall if it was Edd or E.D, but it doesn’t... Evangelist John Briscoe, whose mother is a Snell, returned my call concerning this Rev. Snell. I can’t recall if it was Edd or E.D, but it doesn’t matter for he helped organize the COFN, there. He was John’s mother, and His Uncle Lawrence Snell’s Grand Father’s brother. I guess that would make him John Briscoe and Edie Snell’s great great Uncle.
Rosalie had gone to Seattle on Good Friday and knowing she was going I thought I’d like to go back to Bell’s Chapel to worship with them .I have had a deep longing to spend an Easter with them ever since I got sick.
We were their Parsonage family for three years from basically August 1971 to August 1974. The interesting thing about that was that I interviewed with them on the third Sat. of August 1971 when our Deborah was three weeks old. That next day they would be 64 years old.
Those are the kindest folks I have ever been around, and it was a maximum blessing to preach for the first time in about 7 years. They knew of the health problems I had and when I said,”I might really mess up and have some senior moments, their answer was,”Brother John preach anyway.”
The Holy Spirit was in that place, and since their fill- in is not credentialed we had communion on Easter.
I don’t know if the Lectionary allows it, but it seems to me that Jesus broke bread with those two disciples in Luke 24:30.
Then my favorite verse in the Gentile Luke’s Gospel account, was part of that narrative,”Did not our hearts burn within us while He was speaking to us on the road, and while he was explaining the scriptures to us?
We had that same “strangely warm experience” together on that same Easter day, tying us to that great invisible Church. We are not part of that frozen Chosen, but those folks just express it differently; That was not meant as a slam, but we evangelicals place a great value on heart felt worship.
Hallelujah!
Man am I thankful for that Snell fellow for what he did to start that Church we were able to serve, and for the three relatives of his who have prayed and fasted for both Rosalie and me while we have gone through our caldrons of affliction.
One of my daughters said to me the other day,” Dad, you are back,” I replied yes, I think so,” Warts and All”’
His will be done.
Grace and Power Acts 6:8
John Ross

]]> General Discussion John Ross http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8287-Bell-s-Chapel-Church-of-the-Nazarene-Revival-3rd-Sunday-of-August-1907-Re.-Ed.Snell <![CDATA[Lombardi's Crises Profit Alert]]> http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8286-Lombardi-s-Crises-Profit-Alert?goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 05:42:28 GMT I am not an investor but I thought those of you who are might find it interesting. Just wished I could be able to figure out the link thing, but I... I am not an investor but I thought those of you who are might find it interesting. Just wished I could be able to figure out the link thing, but I am sure if you search for it, it will be available. ]]> General Discussion Jim Franklin http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8286-Lombardi-s-Crises-Profit-Alert Advice House Hunting, Building Tips http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8285-House-Hunting-Building-Tips?goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 02:02:52 GMT As I'm house hunting, I'm noticing that houses with large kitchens (gourmet) tend to have large other areas. I'm looking for a house I don't think exists, large kitchen, open to other areas (for entertaining), but less than 3000 sq ft overall. Any ideas on what I should be looking for?

(Large kitchen, open space, inground pool, everything else is negotiable) ]]> General Discussion Dan Henderson http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8285-House-Hunting-Building-Tips Information Rudest Cities http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8283-Rudest-Cities?goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 17:50:36 GMT according to USA Today's Travel Editors.

1. Los Angeles
2. New York
3. Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love
4. Miami
5. Washington DC
6. Boston
7. Baltimore
8. Las Vegas
9. Orlando
10. Dallas/Fort Worth
11. Atlanta
12. Phoenix/Scottsdale
13. Memphis
14. San Francisco
15. Chicago
16. Seattle
17. Santa Fe
18. Providence
19. Houston
20. Anchorage ]]> General Discussion Jim Franklin http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8283-Rudest-Cities <![CDATA[Larry Winget's speech for grads]]> http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8282-Larry-Winget-s-speech-for-grads?goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 16:24:06 GMT This is brief, but I think he said more in 3 minutes than most commencement speakers say in 30. You can listen to it at the foxnews link or you can... This is brief, but I think he said more in 3 minutes than most commencement speakers say in 30. You can listen to it at the foxnews link or you can read it at the activerain link.

Some of you won't like it, but in my world it's spot on. It ought to be what every graduate hears.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-fr...ylist_id=86912

http://activerain.com/blogsview/3259...than-you-cost- ]]> General Discussion Glenn Messer http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8282-Larry-Winget-s-speech-for-grads Congratulations Rev. Ryan Scott http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8279-Congratulations-Rev.-Ryan-Scott?goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 03:21:06 GMT Our own Ryan Scott was ordained at the Philadelphia District Assembly this evening. Of course, his very supportive - and very pregnant - partner... Our own Ryan Scott was ordained at the Philadelphia District Assembly this evening. Of course, his very supportive - and very pregnant - partner Katelynn was with him. It was a moving moment when his dad, Rev. Alan Scott, prayed the ordination prayer and gave him his credentials. Also present were his in-laws, Katelynn's parents Rev. Lynn and Rev. David Shaw. ]]> General Discussion Mike Schutz http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8279-Congratulations-Rev.-Ryan-Scott Do Nazarenes care about the survival of the weakest? http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8277-Do-Nazarenes-care-about-the-survival-of-the-weakest?goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 22:28:00 GMT I saw this letter posted on Ian Ebright's FB wall. He is the lead writer at the Broken Telegraph in Seattle, WA. It is about a young couple who attend a Nazarene Church.

I was wondering if any of you might care to comment. Yeah, it's going to rip your heart out. Ouch! There is one 4 letter word, but I'm content to leave it in there because the context is appropriate and truth be told, many of us have used similar words and even stronger to express our outrage at injustice.


Let me give you some background. I'm 34, married, 2 kids. I'm a marriage and family therapist, my husband is a school psychologist. We own a home in rural PA. My degrees are from a Christian college and a seminary. We belong to a Nazarene church.

And we can't stand Christians.

In my work, I am the supervisor of an in-home family therapy program working with Medicaid clients. The darkest places, really, are where I work. Dogs drool on me, half-naked kids get my clothes dirty with their sticky hands, mothers smoke, and fathers are pretty much nonexistent. People are just trying to figure out how to make it through the day without social services coming and hauling their kids away.

They don't give a damn about the culture wars. They don't care if Mike and Bob get married. they just want to pay the rent. They want to put food on the table. They want to learn how to effectively manage their kids "so they don't end up like me."

I've been working with this population for 12 years. Ian, maybe I'm submursed in a culture of poverty and don't get the big picture, but where is the justice for these kids? Where is Christ in these dark places? Because I gotta tell you, I haven't seen any of my 600 Evangelical congregation knocking on doors sharing the love of Christ.

They are busy doing other things. ]]> General Discussion Bob Hunter http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8277-Do-Nazarenes-care-about-the-survival-of-the-weakest Information You know you live in an upside down land if............... http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8274-You-know-you-live-in-an-upside-down-land-if...............?goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 15:06:09 GMT A Muslim officer crying "Allah Akbar" while shooting up an army base is considered to have committed "Workplace violence" while an American citizen boasting a Ron Paul bumper sticker is classified as a "Domestic terrorist."

You can get arrested for expired tags on your car but not for being in the country illegally.

The government believes the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more of our money.

A seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for calling his teacher "cute" but hosting a sexual exploration and diversity classes in grade school is acceptable.

The Supreme Court of the United States can rule that lower courts cannot display the 10 Commandments while sitting in front of a display of the 10 Commandments.

Children are forcibly removed from parents who appropriately discipline them while the children of drug addicts are left to rot in filthy infested cesspools.

Working class Americans pay for their own health care and the health care of everyone else while unmarried women are free to be professional baby makers having child after child on the "States" dime while never being held responsible for their own choices.

Parents believe that the State is responsible for providing for their children.

Hard work and success are rewarded with higher taxes and government intrusion, while slothful, lazy behavior is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks Medicaid and subsidized housing.

Being self sufficient is considered a threat to the government.

Politicians think that stripping away the amendments to the Constitution is really protecting the rights of the citizens.

The rights of the government come before the rights of the individual.

You pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big screen TV while your neighbor defaults on his mortgage (while buying iphones, TVs and new cars) and the government forgives the debt and reduces his mortgage with your tax dollars.

You have to have your parents signature to go on a school field trip but not to have an abortion.

Being stripped of your ability to defend yourself makes you "safer."

An 80 year old woman can be strip searched by the TSA but a Muslim woman in a burqa is only subject to having her neck and head searched.

Using some nicknames is considered "hate speech" but writing and signing the authorship of songs about raping women and killing cops is considered "art."

You can write a post like this just by reading the news headlines.

Submitted to evoke thought and discussion. ]]> General Discussion Jim Franklin http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8274-You-know-you-live-in-an-upside-down-land-if............... Inspirational “His Grace is Sufficient for Me” http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8273-“His-Grace-is-Sufficient-for-Me”?goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 10:02:49 GMT In Mosie Lister's own words, "This song was literally a gift from God. In the mid-1960s, I realized I had gone for an incredibly long time without writing anything that meant anything. It had been over a year, and that was rare for me. I had never been through a dry spell like that before. I began feeling somewhat despondent about it. Then I felt I needed to search my mind and my heart, which I began to do.

We were living in Tampa then, and one morning I was driving to town to get my mail and started thinking about how long it had been since I had written anything. I just sincerely and honestly prayed to God that I felt I might be at a place in my life where He was pointing me to do something other than write music, as much as I loved it and felt it was given to me from Him. I said, 'Right now I just give You whatever ability I have. If You want me to go in another direction and leave writing, I'll do that and will be happy about it. I just need to know what Your will is. If You'll show me Your will, I'll do it.'

After returning from town, I did what I was doing a lot in those days. I took my guitar and just started strumming and humming to myself. I began singing, "Many times I'm tried and tested as I travel day by day..." I was on the second verse before it dawned on me what I was doing. This was a new song, and I hadn't written one in over a year.

2 Corinthians 12:9 "My grace is sufficient for you" came to mind. That became the chorus. Since then, I've never doubted that I'm doing exactly what He wants me to do."

The song that came along in 1965 at a time when Mosie needed its message himself?

Many times I’m tried and tested
As I travel day by day;
‘Oft I meet with pain and sorrow,
And there’s trouble in the way.
But I have a sweet assurance
That my soul, the Lord will lead.
And in Him there is strength for ev’ry need.

Refrain
His grace is sufficient for me,
And His love is abundant and free;
And what joy fills my soul
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me!

- Mosie Lister, 1965

Copied from“Sing to the Lord” © 1993 by Lillenas Publishing Company

Hymn commentary courtesy J. D. Sherrow
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]]> General Discussion Nelson Bradford http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8273-“His-Grace-is-Sufficient-for-Me” Invisible fencing for pets http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8272-Invisible-fencing-for-pets?goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 02:15:38 GMT I know they have the in-ground wire gizmos for invisible fencing, but now I am seeing a wireless model... I know they have the in-ground wire gizmos for invisible fencing, but now I am seeing a wireless model, and I'm not sure how that works. Have any of you used one?

Our new home is not fenced, and because it is an irregularly-shaped lot (think pie-shaped) I'm contemplating putting an invisible fence in to contain my curious and not so bright dog.

Any thoughts? ]]> General Discussion Roy Richardson http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8272-Invisible-fencing-for-pets Nazarene Throwing in the towel (on political/social issues)... http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8270-Throwing-in-the-towel-(on-political-social-issues)...?goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 21:20:57 GMT There are things that we USA Nazarenes believe are immoral that are perfectly legal in our country. On some of those issues we have stopped... There are things that we USA Nazarenes believe are immoral that are perfectly legal in our country.

On some of those issues we have stopped fighting the fight. That is, we have accepted the legality of such things, and live with it, while still maintaining it is sinful.


Two examples:
  • We believe that marriage is supposed to be lifelong and we use the term, "Biblical grounds," when talking about valid divorce. Nevertheless, it is legal in our country to divorce and remarry without "Biblical grounds."
  • We believe that sexual intimacy is only properly expressed within marriage. Yet in our country, the legal standard is generally "consenting adults" rather than marriage.
I do not, in my adult lifetime, recall seeing a serious movement, or even the suggestion for a movement, within the Church of the Nazarene to change those particular laws. In short, we still see those behaviors as immoral or sinful, but we have thrown in the towel as far as fighting them politically.

Was throwing in the towel the right thing to do? Should we still be actively fighting those things politically?

Is it hypocritical for us to keep quiet about allowing unrepentant, divorcees (who had no Biblical grounds) to remarry, yet work hard to prevent gay marriage? Are not both sinful?

At what point do we relax and say, "We're still against it morally, but we're giving up the legal battles?"

Wilson ]]> General Discussion Wilson Deaton http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8270-Throwing-in-the-towel-(on-political-social-issues)... Chit-chat Happy mothers day! http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8267-Happy-mothers-day!?goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 05:45:24 GMT To all of the Naznet moms out there: HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!! Wilson To all of the Naznet moms out there:

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!!

Wilson ]]> General Discussion Wilson Deaton http://www.naznet.com/community/showthread.php/8267-Happy-mothers-day!