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    BCS Watch 2013

    So, despite the agreed upon sort-of playoff format, there is still a BCS this year with the convoluted system we've all come to know and love. It is early, but here's how things would play out if the season ended today (and everyone involved had the requisite number of wins.

    Automatic Qualifiers: Alabama, Kansas State, Oregon, Louisville, Florida State, Nebraska, and Notre Dame.

    BCS Title Game: Alabama (SEC Champ) vs Kansas State (Big12 Champ)

    Rose Bowl: Oregon (PAC12 Champ) vs Nebraska (Big10 Champ)

    The Sugar Bowl would get first pick to replace Alabama. LSU or Notre Dame make all the sense in the world here. If ND is undefeated, I think they get the spot. We'll go with that.

    The Fiesta Bowl gets second pick to replace Kansas State and they also get third pick as it's their year to pick first among the open spots. I think LSU (or whatever SEC team they deem second best, could be Florida) is the no brainer. The second pick is much tougher. Because the SEC already has two teams, the only possible choices are: Louisville, Oregon State, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Stanford. If Louisville is still undefeated, this might be a possibility, but I think Oklahoma is the better choice in terms of travel and fan excitement.

    Now the Sugar Bowl get's to pick the team to face Notre Dame. They can choose from the same list above. As an undefeated team, Louisville gets the nod, albeit a weak one. The other teams might travel a bit better, but the record will win out.

    Finally, the Orange Bowl has to pick an opponent for Florida State. They're not going with fellow ACC team, Clemson, so they have to pick from the PAC12. Stanford made a good run last year, but they're less exciting without Andrew Luck. I think Stanford is the pick (they traveled better than expected last year), but I'd love to see it be Oregon State for sentimental reasons.

    So we've got:

    BCS Championship: Alabama vs Kansas State

    Rose Bowl: Oregon vs Nebraska

    Fiesta Bowl: Florida vs Oklahoma

    Sugar Bowl: Notre Dame vs Louisville

    Orange Bowl: Florida State vs Oregon State
    ...just my $.02.

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    Boise State has a good chance to finish above the Big 10 and in the top 16 which would put them in before Nebraska.

    Yes they have a weaker team than in years past, but that is how it often plays out.

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    Re: BCS Watch 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Borger View Post
    Boise State has a good chance to finish above the Big 10 and in the top 16 which would put them in before Nebraska.

    Yes they have a weaker team than in years past, but that is how it often plays out.
    Yeah, they should finish above the Big10, but top 16 will be debatable. If they run the table, maybe. It is a weak team and people know it. We'll see.
    ...just my $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Scott View Post
    So, despite the agreed upon sort-of playoff format, there is still a BCS this year with the convoluted system we've all come to know and love. It is early, but here's how things would play out if the season ended today (and everyone involved had the requisite number of wins.

    Automatic Qualifiers: Alabama, Kansas State, Oregon, Louisville, Florida State, Nebraska, and Notre Dame.

    BCS Title Game: Alabama (SEC Champ) vs Kansas State (Big12 Champ)

    Rose Bowl: Oregon (PAC12 Champ) vs Nebraska (Big10 Champ)

    The Sugar Bowl would get first pick to replace Alabama. LSU or Notre Dame make all the sense in the world here. If ND is undefeated, I think they get the spot. We'll go with that.

    The Fiesta Bowl gets second pick to replace Kansas State and they also get third pick as it's their year to pick first among the open spots. I think LSU (or whatever SEC team they deem second best, could be Florida) is the no brainer. The second pick is much tougher. Because the SEC already has two teams, the only possible choices are: Louisville, Oregon State, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Stanford. If Louisville is still undefeated, this might be a possibility, but I think Oklahoma is the better choice in terms of travel and fan excitement.

    Now the Sugar Bowl get's to pick the team to face Notre Dame. They can choose from the same list above. As an undefeated team, Louisville gets the nod, albeit a weak one. The other teams might travel a bit better, but the record will win out.

    Finally, the Orange Bowl has to pick an opponent for Florida State. They're not going with fellow ACC team, Clemson, so they have to pick from the PAC12. Stanford made a good run last year, but they're less exciting without Andrew Luck. I think Stanford is the pick (they traveled better than expected last year), but I'd love to see it be Oregon State for sentimental reasons.

    So we've got:

    BCS Championship: Alabama vs Kansas State

    Rose Bowl: Oregon vs Nebraska

    Fiesta Bowl: Florida vs Oklahoma

    Sugar Bowl: Notre Dame vs Louisville

    Orange Bowl: Florida State vs Oregon State

    This is a horrible injustice to Oregon. If Oregon goes undefeated they should play Alabama in the BCS championship. Why? Because they are scoring an average of 50+ points a game and yes, they have done this against ranked opponents such as Arizona State. We'll see how they play against USC (17) this weekend, but they look better than ever and their defense is the best it has been in 4 years. Nick Saban is already complaining about the high speed offense because he knows he can't keep up with it. I think it would be awesome to see Oregon back in the title game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Hunter View Post
    This is a horrible injustice to Oregon. If Oregon goes undefeated they should play Alabama in the BCS championship. Why? Because they are scoring an average of 50+ points a game and yes, they have done this against ranked opponents such as Arizona State. We'll see how they play against USC (17) this weekend, but they look better than ever and their defense is the best it has been in 4 years. Nick Saban is already complaining about the high speed offense because he knows he can't keep up with it. I think it would be awesome to see Oregon back in the title game.
    The BCS is the horrible injustice, especially when you might finish with 4 incredibly talented undefeated teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Hunter View Post
    This is a horrible injustice to Oregon. If Oregon goes undefeated they should play Alabama in the BCS championship. Why? Because they are scoring an average of 50+ points a game and yes, they have done this against ranked opponents such as Arizona State. We'll see how they play against USC (17) this weekend, but they look better than ever and their defense is the best it has been in 4 years. Nick Saban is already complaining about the high speed offense because he knows he can't keep up with it. I think it would be awesome to see Oregon back in the title game.
    Don't worry, Bob, it's still early. No team ranked below #2 in the human polls has missed out on the championship game since the tweaked the formula. By the end of the season, so long as the voters think they're #2, they'll be there.

    I love their offense and would love to see it against Saban's defense, but the Oregon defense has been suspect in my mind for a while. They seem to suffer against good Ds from other conferences. Maybe they've got it fixed, I don't know - but I'd love to see that match-up.
    ...just my $.02.

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    Bob, keep the faith and keep peddling the nonsense that Nick Saban is afraid of Oregon. As I pointed out in the last thread, he thinks it is an unfair advantage to not give the D the same opportunity as the O to substitute and I agree.

    I tend to trust Vegas when it comes to stuff like this and they have Bama at 6/5 odds of winning the BCS, and they have K State, Oregon, and Notre Dame in that order all very closely bunched but far behind Alabama. In other words, you would have to risk about $120 to win $100. Most statistical models give Oregon the nod for the closest chance, but still at -8 to -10 points.

    I'm more worried about winning in Baton Rouge at night than I am beating Oregon. Nick Saban doesn't lose when he has a month to draw up a defensive plan.

    Oregon's D is NOT good, at least by current NCAA Stats. They are average at best, and mostly the product of playing their easier games earlier.

    Total D: Bama #1 Oregon #35
    Rushing D: Bama #1 Oregon #39
    Passing D: Bama #1 Oregon #45
    only one oregon cracks the top 30 in is in scoring Defense.

    Still a lot of season left. From ESPN, this nugget makes it likely that there won't be but 1-2 undefeated in this group anyway (and gives the smallest mathematical chance to Oregon btw)
    Anyway, his latest formula calculates the chances of Bama, K-State, Oregon and Notre Dame entering the bowl season with undefeated records:

    Notre Dame: 62.2 percent (remaining schedule: Pittsburgh, at Boston College, Wake Forest, at USC)

    Alabama: 57.1 (at LSU, Texas A&M, FCS-member Western Carolina, playing-like-an-FCS-member Auburn)

    K-State: 43.0 (Oklahoma State, at TCU, at Baylor, Texas)

    Oregon: 18.9 (at USC, at Cal, Stanford, at Oregon State)

    And the chances that all four of those teams go unbeaten: less than 2.9 percent

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    And even as the biggest Bama homer here I can't agree with Spurrier that Bama would beat the worst NFL team this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte Butts View Post
    Bob, keep the faith and keep peddling the nonsense that Nick Saban is afraid of Oregon. As I pointed out in the last thread, he thinks it is an unfair advantage to not give the D the same opportunity as the O to substitute and I agree.
    This can only happen if the referees aren't enforcing the rules
    Quote Originally Posted by NCAAF Rulebook, 3.5.2.e
    While in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, Team A is
    prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage with the obvious
    attempt of creating a defensive disadvantage. If the ball is ready for play,
    the game officials will not permit the ball to be snapped until Team B has
    placed substitutes in position and replaced players have left the field of play.
    Team B must react promptly with its substitutes.
    Quote Originally Posted by 9.2.2.b
    No simulated replacements or substitutions may be used to confuse
    opponents. No tactic associated with substitutes or the substitution process
    may be used to confuse opponents
    So it's illegal to substitute rapidly in such a way that creates an advantage for your time, and it's illegal to simulate substitution in order to create an advantage for your time. If you substitute, the opponent must also have opportunity to substitute. When a team commits to the hurry-up offense, they generally do so without substituting. If they substitute, the defense also has the opportunity to substitute. So the Oregon offense is not replacing players at a faster rate than opposing defenses, except possibly by those defenses' own choosing. Saban's complaint as you have presented it should be without merit. If it has merit, the referees should be replaced, but I doubt that's the case. If Oregon's offense is so well-conditioned that they're able to stay on the field longer and wear out their opponents by not subbing, it's an advantage, but it's not an unfair one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte Butts View Post
    And even as the biggest Bama homer here I can't agree with Spurrier that Bama would beat the worst NFL team this year
    ...I take it you didn't watch the Chiefs game last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shea Zellweger View Post
    This can only happen if the referees aren't enforcing the rules




    So it's illegal to substitute rapidly in such a way that creates an advantage for your time, and it's illegal to simulate substitution in order to create an advantage for your time. If you substitute, the opponent must also have opportunity to substitute. When a team commits to the hurry-up offense, they generally do so without substituting. If they substitute, the defense also has the opportunity to substitute. So the Oregon offense is not replacing players at a faster rate than opposing defenses, except possibly by those defenses' own choosing. Saban's complaint as you have presented it should be without merit. If it has merit, the referees should be replaced, but I doubt that's the case. If Oregon's offense is so well-conditioned that they're able to stay on the field longer and wear out their opponents by not subbing, it's an advantage, but it's not an unfair one.
    Fair enough. Saban's point was that the hurry up offense was specifically done to keep defenses from substituting, and in his opinion, led to greater risk of injury. Now whether or not it is something unfair with is obviously up for debate. I've gone on the record and said it is a gimmick and I don't like it. Anyone who has played Alabama under the current S & C program knows that defenses being winded is not gonna be a problem, so I highly doubt that is what Saban is talking about. Obviously, his defenses are more complex than most, and his version of the 3-4 really relies a lot on getting matchups via subbing a lot.

    Personally, I hope it is Oregon Alabama faces. I think Notre Dame is good but not at that level yet, and I don't think KSU has the overall athleticism to hang with Alabama. I think the Ducks would be most fans idea of a great matchup.

    Here is Coach Saban's quote on the no-huddle BTW:
    “You can’t substitute defensive players,” Saban said. “You go on a 14-, 16-, 18-play drive and they’re snapping the ball as fast as they can and you look out there and all your players are walking around and can’t even get lined up. I mean that’s when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt when they’re not ready to play. I think that’s something that can be looked at.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shea Zellweger View Post
    ...I take it you didn't watch the Chiefs game last night.
    No I did not, but Mark Schlereth (sp?) was spouting off on the radio this morning that the Chiefs would still beat this year's Alabama team by 50. I don't buy that, and I'd love to see that game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte Butts View Post
    Fair enough. Saban's point was that the hurry up offense was specifically done to keep defenses from substituting, and in his opinion, led to greater risk of injury. Now whether or not it is something unfair with is obviously up for debate. I've gone on the record and said it is a gimmick and I don't like it. Anyone who has played Alabama under the current S & C program knows that defenses being winded is not gonna be a problem, so I highly doubt that is what Saban is talking about. Obviously, his defenses are more complex than most, and his version of the 3-4 really relies a lot on getting matchups via subbing a lot.

    Personally, I hope it is Oregon Alabama faces. I think Notre Dame is good but not at that level yet, and I don't think KSU has the overall athleticism to hang with Alabama. I think the Ducks would be most fans idea of a great matchup.

    Here is Coach Saban's quote on the no-huddle BTW:
    “You can’t substitute defensive players,” Saban said. “You go on a 14-, 16-, 18-play drive and they’re snapping the ball as fast as they can and you look out there and all your players are walking around and can’t even get lined up. I mean that’s when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt when they’re not ready to play. I think that’s something that can be looked at.”
    There are multiple NFL teams who employ the hurry-up offense, some of them quite a bit more than others. I don't think it's particularly gimmicky, but it's certainly going to be debated.

    Saban's quote says a lot, but I think you have to look at it from the perspective of someone who's not a dyed-in-the-wool Alabama or Oregon fan. If the defense can't get to the line in time, or isn't ready to play yet, then the hurry-up is doing its job. Suggesting it should be looked into on those grounds is just a request for preferential treatment for the defense. There will be no 18 play drive, hurry-up or otherwise, if the D can do its job. If the D doesn't do its job, and is slower to get back to the line than the O, that's a fairly won advantage.
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    Sure there are some NFL teams that employee it, but not many all the time.

    To be perfectly clear, I don't mind it when accompanied by a good defense and the ABILITY to run the ball and slow it down when needed to run click. I hate teams (see this years WVU, many TTU teams under Leach, etc) that simply try to outscore people and put no effort into defense. Even the famed "fun and gun" Gators under Spurrier had excellent defensive units under Stoops.

    To me, coaches run these offenses because at heart they are much simpler than pro style attacks, and a lot of high school teams run them for that reason so it is an easy transition. My beef is no one shows me CHAMPIONSHIP teams that can beat an excellent defense playing this way.

    My other pet peeve is the pundits who talk about Alabama and smash mouth run the ball down your throat offenses, game management by the QB, doing everything but calling them boring. Tells me they haven't watched much. Under Nussmeyer Alabame is almost dead even 50/50 pass to run and a very explosive offense. Saban just doesn't try to score 70 in a game and relies on ball control offense when he has a comfortable lead.

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    Excellent discussion guys. A couple of thoughts.

    Many are saying Oregon's defense is better this year than when they appeared in the National Championship and held Auburn to 21 points. They allow points late in games when the game is already out of hand and second and third string players are on the field. They are scoring 50+ a game which means the 3rd & 4th quarters are pretty much consolation. When Oregon goes up by 35 points, Chip Kelly pulls the starters.

    This CNN article explains why Oregon's defense should not be overlooked: http://insider.espn.go.com/college-f...ation-best-ncf

    The other thing people should not overlook is Oregon's Coach, Chip Kelly. There was a huge ESPN article on Kelly this week. He is consistently talked about as one of the most brilliant coaches in College Football. The pros are taking notice. The Tampa Bay Bucs almost took him away from Oregon last year. So, the pressure is on. Kelly is a genius. It is believed that he can succeed at the next level. I would like to see him stay in Oregon, but that will depend on whether he wins a BCS title or not.

    Finally, the speed factor. Credit the Oregon athletic coaches. They condition these players to play at a frantic pace. They recruit speed. They design plays to exploit slow-to-adjust defenses. So it isn't just the hurry up-no huddle offense, it is player speed, efficiency, execution, play calling, match-ups, etc., that make the difference. Saban can complain all he wants, but there is more to Oregon's game than just rushing to snap the ball. Kelly usually runs these guys out in platoons of 3-4 about every 3-4 plays. It's not that unpredictable. But you have to look at the whole picture and it's pretty sick when you think of what they can do.

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    Well, my heart just restarted…Alabama overcame AJ having a horrible game and Mettenburger finally living up to his hype.

    That last minute drive is something that just doesn't happen in Baton Rouge at night.

    And no one loses so we are still in the same boat. Oregon should jump Notre Dame in my opinion; that was a bad win against Pitt in overtime.

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    I was at the K-State game tonight. We sure didn't play our best. We pulled it off, but I've seen them a lot better. Collin Klein got hurt early in the 2nd half, and we had to put in our red shirt freshman. He's a great player but....he's a redshirt freshman so isn't up to speed on everything that Klein is, of course. Hoping and praying Klein's injury isn't anything serious.

    P.S. I'm sick of the "after further review" calls. They took back 2 of Klein's touchdowns (if I counted right).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte Butts View Post
    Well, my heart just restarted…Alabama overcame AJ having a horrible game and Mettenburger finally living up to his hype.

    That last minute drive is something that just doesn't happen in Baton Rouge at night.

    And no one loses so we are still in the same boat. Oregon should jump Notre Dame in my opinion; that was a bad win against Pitt in overtime.
    Oregon's offense scored a record breaking 62 points against USC. I'm a little concerned with how the defense played, but when you have an offense like that you can afford to give up a few points. Kenjon Barner scored 5 TDs and ran for 328 yards. He should be a Heisman candidate. Putting up those kinds of yards against a ranked opponent is almost unheard of. Remember, USC was pre-season #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Hunter View Post
    Remember, USC was pre-season #1.
    Ah, but you must remember that pre-season ranks mean nothing. Arkansas was pre-season ranked and barely squeaked past Tulsa yesterday.
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    Not anymore, Kyle. They lost to San Diego State last night by giving away a 100 yard return on the opening kickoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Franklin View Post
    Not anymore, Kyle. They lost to San Diego State last night by giving away a 100 yard return on the opening kickoff.
    We won't have to worry about Boise Junior College getting a BCS bowl game this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Rector View Post
    Ah, but you must remember that pre-season ranks mean nothing. Arkansas was pre-season ranked and barely squeaked past Tulsa yesterday.
    Don't confuse me with the facts. Let me live in my own make believe world where the Oregon Ducks will be National Champions. Thank you...
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    I think that Boise State missed out on their best shots at a national championship the previous three years. I think it will now be a couple of years before they receive any legitimate attention in the bowl game situation (although a move to the Big East could make that happen more quickly).

    I would love to see Oregon and Alabama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Poteet View Post
    We won't have to worry about Boise Junior College getting a BCS bowl game this year.
    Yes Boise State lost. However, you might look at their record over the past decade. Oklahoma has had 100 years to get where they are. Boise State a former Junior College has had to work from the bottom up. They weren't given their position or respect simply because they started in the right place.

    Quite frankly your attitude and the rest of the Oklahoma fans cause me to cheer for everyone who plays Oklahoma. Talk about a bunch of sore losers. BSU will play Oklahoma any time any place.

    Nice Mascot by the way. Let's cheer for a bunch of cheaters like the Sooners.

    Yes, I am assuming that you like Oklahoma based on your location.

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    Latest BCS Standings:
    1. Alabama
    2. KANSAS STATE
    3. Oregon
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Georgia

    I think we're hanging on by a thread to our position (KSU).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Borger View Post
    Yes Boise State lost. However, you might look at their record over the past decade. Oklahoma has had 100 years to get where they are. Boise State a former Junior College has had to work from the bottom up. They weren't given their position or respect simply because they started in the right place.

    Quite frankly your attitude and the rest of the Oklahoma fans cause me to cheer for everyone who plays Oklahoma. Talk about a bunch of sore losers. BSU will play Oklahoma any time any place.

    Nice Mascot by the way. Let's cheer for a bunch of cheaters like the Sooners.

    Yes, I am assuming that you like Oklahoma based on your location.
    Not an OU fan by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, my favorite team each week is whoever plays the Sooners. It was a great night when BSU beat Oklahoma. I have great respect for the BSU program. Coach Peterson is one of the very best coaches in the nation.

    However, if BSU had to play a tough schedule week to week, their record would not be near as impressive.

    You also need to understand that my message about "BJC" was to kid Jim Franklin a little as we go back over 40 years. He taught with me at BNC and also kept the scorebook for me when I was basketball coach at BNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorie Hatcliff View Post
    Latest BCS Standings:
    1. Alabama
    2. KANSAS STATE
    3. Oregon
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Georgia

    I think we're hanging on by a thread to our position (KSU).
    Actually, Kansas State is a solid number 2. The KSU computer rankings are very strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Poteet View Post
    Not an OU fan by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, my favorite team each week is whoever plays the Sooners. It was a great night when BSU beat Oklahoma. I have great respect for the BSU program. Coach Peterson is one of the very best coaches in the nation.

    However, if BSU had to play a tough schedule week to week, their record would not be near as impressive.

    You also need to understand that my message about "BJC" was to kid Jim Franklin a little as we go back over 40 years. He taught with me at BNC and also kept the scorebook for me when I was basketball coach at BNC
    At the same time, BSU has had to win games while starting players who are considered inferior to those of schools in the major conferences. I am pretty sure that you could count on one hand the number of 5 star recruits BSU has had and probably on both hands (might require adding in your toes) you could count the number of 4 star recruits. They have beat their "better" opponents in the past with players that no one else really cared much about. That says something of the coaching and of the strength and commitment of that team.

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    I would love to see Oregon and Alabama.
    That seems to be the favorite match-up right now. It was be an interesting clash of coaching philosophies, playing styles and talent. It would draw intrigue because it would grab different parts of the country. And there is a certain mystique about Oregon right now. Obviously, the Alabama Defense is pretty ominous and it would interesting to see how Oregon stretches them out.

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    I was going to do a new update after the BCS standings were released yesterday, but literally nothing changed. So, carry on. I'll give it another go next week.
    ...just my $.02.

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    At the same time, BSU has had to win games while starting players who are considered inferior to those of schools in the major conferences. I am pretty sure that you could count on one hand the number of 5 star recruits BSU has had and probably on both hands (might require adding in your toes) you could count the number of 4 star recruits. They have beat their "better" opponents in the past with players that no one else really cared much about. That says something of the coaching and of the strength and commitment of that team.
    You are correct. However, when you have to play a tough schedule every week injuries begin to take a toll and depth becomes an issue. BSU has never faced that problem.

    As I said before, I have great admiration for BSU and especially Coach Peterson, but they are not playing with the same situation that Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Florida, Kansas State, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. are each week. The emotion and physical toughness that it takes to be ready week after week would be a new experience for BSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Hunter View Post
    That seems to be the favorite match-up right now. It was be an interesting clash of coaching philosophies, playing styles and talent. It would draw intrigue because it would grab different parts of the country. And there is a certain mystique about Oregon right now. Obviously, the Alabama Defense is pretty ominous and it would interesting to see how Oregon stretches them out.
    Well, a little less ominous after Saturday.

    LSU had something that very few other teams in the country have.....an offensive line fast and big enough to slow down Alabama enough to get some favorable matchups. Watching the game most of Mettenburger's completions were on a corner blitz putting a LB on a receiver. When you have a literal track star playing receiver that is a bad recipe.

    In past games with good passers, Alabama's D Line has gotten enough penetration to give the corner blitzes a better avenue to the QB, making them hurry their throws.

    I'm interested in the game this weekend against A & M as they play the most similar style to Oregon....a spread them out and run first type offense with a mobile playmaker at QB.

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    You are correct. However, when you have to play a tough schedule every week injuries begin to take a toll and depth becomes an issue. BSU has never faced that problem.

    As I said before, I have great admiration for BSU and especially Coach Peterson, but they are not playing with the same situation that Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Florida, Kansas State, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, etc. are each week. The emotion and physical toughness that it takes to be ready week after week would be a new experience for BSU.
    Yes, but even with injuries a school like Alabama would still have replaced them with players equivalent to what Boise already uses as starters (3 stars).

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    I was going to do a new update after the BCS standings were released yesterday, but literally nothing changed. So, carry on. I'll give it another go next week.
    Excuse me, the Oregon Ducks moved up to #3. That was a change.

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    Excuse me, the Oregon Ducks moved up to #3. That was a change.
    No change in the likely matchups.
    ...just my $.02.

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    Just for fun, wouldn't it be great if Texas A & M beats Alabama? ( 4:00 remaining in the 1st quarter and A &M is up 14-0 and driving.)
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    Just for fun, wouldn't it be great if Texas A & M beats Alabama? ( 4:00 remaining in the 1st quarter and A &M is up 14-0 and driving.)
    Unbelievable.

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    Just for fun, wouldn't it be great if Texas A & M beats Alabama? ( 4:00 remaining in the 1st quarter and A &M is up 14-0 and driving.)
    Well, there you go!
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    A&M is good. We'll definitely see a shakeup in the BCS tomorrow, but you might have to wait for Monday for my rundown.
    ...just my $.02.

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    Marcus Mariota had 6 TDs. His pass completion percentage is sick! Why isn't this guy talked about for the Heisman?

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