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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson Deaton View Post
    May I ask what kind of investments we are talking about? Is the district leasing out valuable properties? I'm curious as to what kind of assets a district would have that would generate that kind of investment income.

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    The Sunnyvale property was sold a few years ago. It's minutes from Google, Apple, etc. (Cupertino). I imagine that this is part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Gates View Post
    I do know that anyone who has ever been in Texas longer than a short layover was disqualified.
    Hey Greg...I couldn't tell if this was sarcasm or true.. If true, what would be the reasoning behind it?

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson Deaton View Post
    May I ask what kind of investments we are talking about? Is the district leasing out valuable properties? I'm curious as to what kind of assets a district would have that would generate that kind of investment income.

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    The majority ($8+ million) came from the sale of a property in the town where I live, Sunnyvale. The story we are told is that the Sunnyvale congregation had dwindled to a point where it was not going to come back. A developer made an offer and the church was closed and sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Bentley View Post
    "I do know that anyone who has ever been in Texas longer than a short layover was disqualified."

    Hey Greg...I couldn't tell if this was sarcasm or true.. If true, what would be the reasoning behind it?
    That was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Gates View Post
    That was a joke.
    I knew it was a joke. Anyone who has lived in Texas would never leave Texas for California!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn Messer View Post
    I knew it was a joke. Anyone who has lived in Texas would never leave Texas for California!
    I agree. I was in Houston a couple weeks ago and couldn't believe the housing prices. Beautiful houses in the $100 sq ft range. Our houses cost 10X that. Delicious Bar-B-Q everywhere I went. But I think it would be rough for a pastor with all the competing monster churches around. I'd heard jokes that there was a church on every corner. That's not the full truth. There are also churches between the ones on the corners. It would be nice to have fewer Planned Parenthood clinics around. Lots of advantages, but... I still wouldn't want to trade living in the center of the world for any where else.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Gates View Post
    I still wouldn't want to trade living in the center of the world for any where else.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn Messer View Post
    I knew it was a joke. Anyone who has lived in Texas would never leave Texas for California!
    That's exactly what Scott Daniels did.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Electing someone and then telling the assembly to not tell anyone may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Easy way to figure out who was elected: what likely candidate wasn't at their church last Sunday?

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    Electing someone and then telling the assembly to not tell anyone may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Easy way to figure out who was elected: what likely candidate wasn't at their church last Sunday?
    Based on what Greg has said so far in this thread, I think we'd have trouble knowing who the "likely candidates" are. Personally, I'm content to wait and find out in a few days.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    Electing someone and then telling the assembly to not tell anyone may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Easy way to figure out who was elected: what likely candidate wasn't at their church last Sunday?
    I would tend to agree that the expectation of a veil of secrecy in today's world isn't realistic, but given that the name hasn't been leaked (at least on NazNet), it sounds like it's working.

    Making guesses based on who wasn't at their church last Sunday doesn't really work, either. My district's current DS was elected from a distance. The DAC presented the candidate they were recommending and his qualifications, and a vote was taken. He was something like 2000 miles away from us at the time. I do the tech work for our Assemblies, so I was given his name and phone number the evening before, with a stern warning NOT to leak it from Dr. Porter, enabling me to set up a Skype call with him should the election pass. So that was our first actual interaction with him (other than those on the search committee and DAC).
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    Electing someone and then telling the assembly to not tell anyone may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Easy way to figure out who was elected: what likely candidate wasn't at their church last Sunday?
    I wasn't at my church last Sunday. This plays exactly into post #25 in this thread.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas Finch View Post
    I would tend to agree that the expectation of a veil of secrecy in today's world isn't realistic, but given that the name hasn't been leaked (at least on NazNet), it sounds like it's working.
    If people accept the rationale for secrecy and don't think of it as just a head-game, they will generally keep the secret. The takeaway: if you want to invoke secrecy, make sure that there is a compelling reason for it.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Cox View Post
    If people accept the rationale for secrecy and don't think of it as just a head-game, they will generally keep the secret. The takeaway: if you want to invoke secrecy, make sure that there is a compelling reason for it.
    Agreed. And I find this particular reason compelling enough that, if I knew the name, I'd keep my mouth shut. Let the pastor (did Greg say it's a pastor?) break the news to their own church themselves, rather than have church members read about it online.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Schmidt View Post
    Agreed. And I find this particular reason compelling enough that, if I knew the name, I'd keep my mouth shut. Let the pastor (did Greg say it's a pastor?) break the news to their own church themselves, rather than have church members read about it online.
    I may or may not know the name, and if I do when I found out I may or may not have looked the persion up because I may or may not have heard of him or her. I'll confess, though, that I am not above leaking. It is just that if I do know the name, nobody has offered me enough cash to leak it.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    Electing someone and then telling the assembly to not tell anyone may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Easy way to figure out who was elected: what likely candidate wasn't at their church last Sunday?
    I'm pretty sure Greg said the new DS was NOT at their assembly, so that one would be tough.
    ...just my $.02.

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    Nazarenes are terrible at keeping secrets. And it is quite a sad commentary that a persons election cannot be celebrated but must be kept secret this long.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Scott View Post
    I'm pretty sure Greg said the new DS was NOT at their assembly, so that one would be tough.
    I only know of who the rumored person was.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    I only know of who the rumored person was.
    I know who it is, but I'm not sure if s/he was at home this weekend or not.

    Where were you, Joe?
    ...just my $.02.

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    Preaching in my assignment.

    I actually just realixed today that there's no lower age limit for district superintendents like there is for generals, so I am eligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas Finch View Post
    I may or may not know the name, and if I do when I found out I may or may not have looked the persion up because I may or may not have heard of him or her. I'll confess, though, that I am not above leaking. It is just that if I do know the name, nobody has offered me enough cash to leak it.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    Preaching in my assignment.

    I actually just realixed today that there's no lower age limit for district superintendents like there is for generals, so I am eligible.
    It is somewhat surprising that we don't have a minimum age for DS, yet we do for GS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Flowers View Post
    It is somewhat surprising that we don't have a minimum age for DS, yet we do for GS.
    Anyone know what the record is for youngest Nazarene DS?

    I would consider Lyle Eckley to be in the running. He was DS of the (then) New York District in 1942. Aged 32 I think.
    The ministry of Dr. Eckley (who was Chuck Millhuff's father-in-law) was important to me since my Dad was saved at a Nebraska District teen camp back in the 40's when Dr. Eckley was the evangelist.

    I had an interesting conversation with Dr. Eckley at Olathe College Church about 15 years ago. When he found out I was an Olivet grad and Biology major, he told me he too had been a science student at Olivet in the 1930's, but upon feeling the call to preach had sold all of his science books. A wonderful man who continued to minister at nursing homes until I think he was well into his nineties.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Frey View Post
    Nazarenes are terrible at keeping secrets. And it is quite a sad commentary that a persons election cannot be celebrated but must be kept secret this long.
    Two weeks? What's sad about giving the person two weeks to talk about it with their friends, congregation, etc, before it gets publicized?
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    Does keeping this secret turn the Norcal district into an oath-bound secret order?
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    The new Norcal DS asked it to be kept a secret until the Sunday after Mother's Day. Can you imagine announcing your "departure" on Mother's Day when you have a ton of guests and all the attention is supposed to be on moms? Anything that takes attention away from them on their one day is not of God. Just saying.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    I love my mother. I love the mother of my child. I have attended Mother's Day services where I came away wondering who was being worshiped.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Gates View Post
    The new Norcal DS asked it to be kept a secret until the Sunday after Mother's Day. Can you imagine announcing your "departure" on Mother's Day when you have a ton of guests and all the attention is supposed to be on moms? Anything that takes attention away from them on their one day is not of God. Just saying.
    I wouldn't figure mother's day would have a real impact on worship one way or another. Do you talk about Mother's Day during the service?
    ...just my $.02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Scott View Post
    I wouldn't figure mother's day would have a real impact on worship one way or another. Do you talk about Mother's Day during the service?
    For us it has a big impact on worship. We have a lot of guests and our members work hard to make sure it is a happy day for them. It's not a high attendance day for you?
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Gates View Post
    For us it has a big impact on worship. We have a lot of guests and our members work hard to make sure it is a happy day for them. It's not a high attendance day for you?
    I mean, definitely people show up to worship with their mom - I guess you were focusing more on having guests where I was thinking about Mother's Day being a cultural holiday that doesn't really impact the service. I get the numbers part - like pastors not wanting to be gone the week after Easter in case visitors come back. That makes sense.
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Mother's Day: When we're okay with making family an idol.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    Mother's Day: When we're okay with making family an idol.
    Fathers Day and Mothers Day: Given the 5th Commandment, we worship God by honoring fathers and mothers.

    By the way, I believe that the Hebrew culture would have expected the command to honor fathers but that the mother part was probably a big surprise and somewhat radical. It was another great stride for feminism.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Scott View Post
    I mean, definitely people show up to worship with their mom - I guess you were focusing more on having guests where I was thinking about Mother's Day being a cultural holiday that doesn't really impact the service. I get the numbers part - like pastors not wanting to be gone the week after Easter in case visitors come back. That makes sense.
    For many churches that place a high emphasis on inviting unchurched guests to the Sunday morning services, Mother's Day is one of the "big days" for extending those invitations. It's easily #3 on the list behind Christmas and Easter in terms of the numbers of visitors attending... and I remember hearing at least one pastor say that Mother's Day is #2 or #1 for their church.

    That doesn't mean they turn their service that day into mom-worship or idolize the family. (Though perhaps some do.). But it definitely impacts what they do in the service. I can certainly understand a pastor not wanting to announce that they're leaving on that day.

    Side note: I mentioned the 5th Commandment this past Sunday and the importance of honoring our parents... but more of the message focused on how Jesus redefines family as centered around himself and even says that we're not worthy to be called his disciples if we don't hate our families. Fun times!
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Foltz View Post
    Mother's Day: When we're okay with making family an idol.
    Wow, what are folks doing out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson Deaton View Post
    Fathers Day and Mothers Day: Given the 5th Commandment, we worship God by honoring fathers and mothers.

    By the way, I believe that the Hebrew culture would have expected the command to honor fathers but that the mother part was probably a big surprise and somewhat radical. It was another great stride for feminism.

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    So it is the Sunday after Mothers Day (known in the Christian world as the 6th Sunday of Easter). Is the jury still hung or can we say the name now?
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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Frey View Post
    So it is the Sunday after Mothers Day (known in the Christian world as the 6th Sunday of Easter). Is the jury still hung or can we say the name now?
    He whose name cannot be uttered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kennedy View Post
    He whose name cannot be uttered?
    Voldemort? That'd be a scary DS.

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    Re: New DS for Norcal elected, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Frey View Post
    So it is the Sunday after Mothers Day (known in the Christian world as the 6th Sunday of Easter). Is the jury still hung or can we say the name now?
    I see what you did there.
    ...just my $.02.
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    All seriousnessosity aside...

    Walking through the woods the other day and came across the skeleton of an opossum. Normally, I would just walk on by.

    This time, instead, I bent down gathered up all the bones and carried them to a sandy area on the banks of a cool and pungent creek.

    I jigged 4 times to the right and then 7 times to the left before scattering the bones on the sand before me.

    What to my wondering eyes should appear, but the name...Jerry Porter.

    Amazing how that works.

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