Why is the Gig Harbor Church growing

[Dave McClung]

In another thread I was asked my opinion on why the Gig Harbor Church is growing. This is my response.

Some of you don't know the story, so I will give some background. Four years ago, the Gig Harbor Church of the Nazarene went through a crisis. Our pastor confessed to molesting his daughter and is now serving a 12 year sentence. The church had a lot of negative publicity, but came through the crisis united. After a lengthy interim, we called pastor Steve Gates.
When Pastor Gates arrived the church was averaging about 50 in Sunday attendence. Now the church is averaging over 200 and is growing steadily.

I have been in awe as I have watched the church grow. I do have some observations about why:

My first obseration is that the Gig Harbor church isn't unique. Every church that Pastor Gates has pastored has experienced growth during the time he was pastor. I believe there are several things that have made that happen:

1) Prayer -- Pastor Gates models a life of prayer. When he first came, he expressed concern that the church was mostly elderly people. We had only three teens. He asked the church board to join him in praying specifically that the Lord would send some teens to the church. As we prayed, it was a true miracle -- now about 1/3 of the sanctuary is filled with teens.

2)Caring -- Not one person enters our church that Pastor Gates doesn't attempt to learn their name. He keeps a note pad in his pocket and writes down the name of everyone he does not know. If they come back, he remembers their name and greets them appropriately. I don't think he has a special talent for remembering names. I am convinced it is just that he makes more of an effort than most of us do.

3)Freedom -- Pastor Gates believes that people should be freed up do do the ministry that God has laid on their hearts. The number of different ministries sponsored by our church has blossomed. The church exercises very minimum oversight. It trusts people to conduct their ministry and supports them were needed.

4)Caring for Others -- The church has set aside money in the budget to care for others, including an amount that Pastor Gates can use without detailed accounting for "outreach." We also have a "Helping Hand" budget equal to 1% of our income that is administered confidentiallly by a small committee to help folks who need it.

5)Preaching -- Every week, Pastor Gates feeds the congregation through solid, practical messages. They are short enough that he gets more complaints about being too short than being too long (Usually 20 to 25 minutes.) Every sermon is from the scripture and includes insights that can only come from extensive study. He doesn't just read and recite what others have said. He clearly has spent time thinking about the truths he wants to share. His delivery is always optomistic, even when he is dealing with tough issues.

6)Confident about finances -- I have never worked with a pastor who is as comfortable allowing the finance committee to do its job. He doesn't attend finance committee meetings and doesn't seem to worry about the finances. There is no tension between the board and the pastor concerning finances.

I have been blessed to be a member of a number of different rapidly growing churches. One thing that I have observed is that in rapidly growing churches people don't leave quickly after the services --"..behold how they love one another." On one recent Sunday, Linda and I decided to have lunch at a place near the church. After we had completed our lunch, we drove back by the church and observed that people were still there visiting with one another.

One more point -- the Gig Harbor Church has decided that our building should be used as much as possible. In addition to our congregation a Seventh Day Adventist Congregation meets there on Saturday, another church meets there on Sunday afternoons and another group meets on Monday nights.

It is exciting to see what God is doing in Gig Harbor.

[Ryan Scott]

6)Confident about finances -- I have never worked with a pastor who is as comfortable allowing the finance committee to do its job. He doesn't attend finance committee meetings and doesn't seem to worry about the finances. There is no tension between the board and the pastor concerning finances.

Not that the others are vitally important (they are) this is one area where my eyes have really been open of late. You are certainly blessed to have people capable and knowledgeable about financial matters. I truly believe the pastor shouldn't have to be involved in such financial matters. However, I've seen, far more often than I ever thought, how many congregations lack people with such experience and knowledge - which generally leads to the pastor (who often has little more experience or ability than anyone else) being very involved in financial issues, to the detriment of ministry.

You are truly blessed to have a strong finance committee.

[G R 'Scott' Cundiff]

it's a wonderful thing to see the right pastor of the right church ...thanks for sharing.

[Billy Cox]

it's a wonderful thing to see the right pastor of the right church ...thanks for sharing.

It sounds like Dave's pastor would do well almost anywhere.

[Billy Cox]

It is exciting to see what God is doing in Gig Harbor.

Thanks for sharing, Dave. Your description of Gig Harbor CoTN lifted my spirit.

[Craig Laughlin]

Thanks Dave those are excellent insights. It is very encouraging to me to watch what is happening at Gig Harbor. (From another thread - This would be a great place for a "teaching church") Not to pull him away from what he does but we could sure use a little replication of his approach.

[Dave McClung]

Thanks Dave those are excellent insights. It is very encouraging to me to watch what is happening at Gig Harbor. (From another thread - This would be a great place for a "teaching church") Not to pull him away from what he does but we could sure use a little replication of his approach.

I suspect that if you asked Pastor Gates to explain what is happening in Gig Harbor, his response would be about "supportive laymen."

I had a dream last week that some in the church were upset with Pastor Gates and were beginning to cause problems. In my dream, I stood up and said, "If you are going to pick on my pastor, you will have to run over me." The dream accurately reflects my attitude.

I believe that if more pastors had strong laypersons who would protect them from criticism, they could be more effective.

[Marian Schwaller Carney]

As I read this I learned a lot. Thanks, Dave, for posting. The term "best practices" comes to mind.

[Craig Laughlin]

I believe that if more pastors had strong laypersons who would protect them from criticism, they could be more effective.

First - not a doubt in my mind that your pastor would rightly credit his people. You don't do what he has done without understanding that you are only one member of the team. - He is good quarterback.

Second, I can't tell you how many young pastor's I've talked to who were not so much hurt by the fact the they were attacked by long standing complainers (that was expected) but that the ones they trusted and who had been their supporters let them be fed to the wolves without speaking up. The feeling of betrayal ran pretty deep for some of these folks.

To lay people (I've been both) - Pastors are in an extremely difficult position when attacked. Any defense looks self serving and is perceived as a counter attack. (Which is kind of like the shepherd eating the flock) If you have a good pastor protect them, they will stay a lot longer and will be your friend for life. Good words Dave thanks so much for saying it. I really wish more lay people would say this as it again looks self serving for a pastor or even a DS to say it.

[Susan Unger]

In another thread I was asked my opinion on why the Gig Harbor Church is growing. This is my response.

Some of you don't know the story, so I will give some background. Four years ago, the Gig Harbor Church of the Nazarene went through a crisis. Our pastor confessed to molesting his daughter and is now serving a 12 year sentence. The church had a lot of negative publicity, but came through the crisis united. After a lengthy interim, we called pastor Steve Gates.
When Pastor Gates arrived the church was averaging about 50 in Sunday attendence. Now the church is averaging over 200 and is growing steadily.

I have been in awe as I have watched the church grow. I do have some observations about why:

My first obseration is that the Gig Harbor church isn't unique. Every church that Pastor Gates has pastored has experienced growth during the time he was pastor. I believe there are several things that have made that happen:

1) Prayer -- Pastor Gates models a life of prayer. When he first came, he expressed concern that the church was mostly elderly people. We had only three teens. He asked the church board to join him in praying specifically that the Lord would send some teens to the church. As we prayed, it was a true miracle -- now about 1/3 of the sanctuary is filled with teens.

2)Caring -- Not one person enters our church that Pastor Gates doesn't attempt to learn their name. He keeps a note pad in his pocket and writes down the name of everyone he does not know. If they come back, he remembers their name and greets them appropriately. I don't think he has a special talent for remembering names. I am convinced it is just that he makes more of an effort than most of us do.

3)Freedom -- Pastor Gates believes that people should be freed up do do the ministry that God has laid on their hearts. The number of different ministries sponsored by our church has blossomed. The church exercises very minimum oversight. It trusts people to conduct their ministry and supports them were needed.

4)Caring for Others -- The church has set aside money in the budget to care for others, including an amount that Pastor Gates can use without detailed accounting for "outreach." We also have a "Helping Hand" budget equal to 1% of our income that is administered confidentiallly by a small committee to help folks who need it.

5)Preaching -- Every week, Pastor Gates feeds the congregation through solid, practical messages. They are short enough that he gets more complaints about being too short than being too long (Usually 20 to 25 minutes.) Every sermon is from the scripture and includes insights that can only come from extensive study. He doesn't just read and recite what others have said. He clearly has spent time thinking about the truths he wants to share. His delivery is always optomistic, even when he is dealing with tough issues.

6)Confident about finances -- I have never worked with a pastor who is as comfortable allowing the finance committee to do its job. He doesn't attend finance committee meetings and doesn't seem to worry about the finances. There is no tension between the board and the pastor concerning finances.

I have been blessed to be a member of a number of different rapidly growing churches. One thing that I have observed is that in rapidly growing churches people don't leave quickly after the services --"..behold how they love one another." On one recent Sunday, Linda and I decided to have lunch at a place near the church. After we had completed our lunch, we drove back by the church and observed that people were still there visiting with one another.

One more point -- the Gig Harbor Church has decided that our building should be used as much as possible. In addition to our congregation a Seventh Day Adventist Congregation meets there on Saturday, another church meets there on Sunday afternoons and another group meets on Monday nights.

It is exciting to see what God is doing in Gig Harbor.

I enjoyed the part about finances. I am a firm believer in all the other areas. But the area of finances is a big weakness for me. As I prepare for ordination, I have often wondered about leading when I am not strong in this area. Hearing his approach sounds like one I could do, too. Thanks

[Hans Deventer]

I believe that if more pastors had strong laypersons who would protect them from criticism, they could be more effective.

Yes. And even more so when they do listen to what these friends would tell them in private, while standing up for them against unfair attacks.

[John Reilly]

Hi Dave, thank you for this excellent report. We all agree with the "seven" points for growth. I was wondering if music plays any part in the growth experience. What is the music looking like right now?

[Dave McClung]

Hi Dave, thank you for this excellent report. We all agree with the "seven" points for growth. I was wondering if music plays any part in the growth experience. What is the music looking like right now?

John, I intentionally didn't mention the music because we really are not doing anything different with the music than we did before Pastor Gates arrived. Here is what we do:

1. Music Team -- The core of the music team has remained constant but others are added from time to time to encourage participation. The worship leader is part-time and was our worship-leader before Pastor Gates arrived.

2. Selection of Music -- Pastor Gates has mentioned several times that he does not coordinate the songs with his sermon, but they always seem to fit well together. Occassionaly, the music leader will change a selection at the last minute to coordiante.

Every service has a blend of contemporary music and hymns. The old folks, like me, would enjoy even more hymns, but the younger people seem to like the contemporary selections. All in all there is good participation by the congregation. (I often visit other churches where I observe that the congregation doesn't really participate in the singing.)

3. Sitting/Standing -- The worship leader usually asks the congregation to stand for one hymn, but the rest of the time people either sit or stand according to their personal preference. Most of the time we have about 1/3 of the congregation standing with their hands raised while everyone else sits. Sometimes visitors seem confused because someone on one side of them is standing while the folks on the other side are sitting.

4. Specials -- We don't have "special" music - no solos, no trios, etc. From time to time we schedule a special Sunday evening singing when we allow those who want to perform to have some time, but "performance" is never a part of the Sunday Morning worship.

5. Offering -- The offering plates are passed during one of the congregational songs. The worship leader prays a very brief prayer for the offering, but nothing is said. The ushers simply pass the plates. Incidentally, that is one of the things that I have not been able to figure out. Nothing is ever said in our public services about the financial needs of the church. When giving is mentioned, it is always in the context of Christian Stewardship. Pastor Gates preaches and teaches Christian Stewardship, but it is always about the responsibility of the giver -- never about the needs of the church. Eventhough the needs of the church are never mentioned, the church income has grown significantly. We consistently raise the budgeted income.

6. Visual Presentations -- One area that has shown remarkable improvement is the quality of the visual presentations during the congregational singing. We have always projected the words on the screen, but in the past couple of years, the quality of the backgrounds for the words has improved. I am not sure who is responsible, but it really helps. One of my pet peeves is when the presentation of the words on the screen lags behind the music. That doesn't happen very often at our church. There has been a real effort to make the visual presentation an aid to worship rather than a distraction.

7. Announcements -- Information is in the bulletin. We do not take away from the worship time for announcements. Announcements are made only when something in the bulletin has changed or when there is a special emphasis like the Easter Offering. On most Sundays, there are no announcements from the platform.

8. Lighting -- One big difference is that we spent a significant amount to improve the lighting. Eventhough, I am a photographer I didn't realize how important it is to have good lighting. Our seating areas is a semi-circle, so Pastor Gates tends to walk around on the platform as he preaches so that he makes eye contact with everyone. Before we invested in new lighting he would frequently be preaching in the dark. The improved lighting has made a really positive difference.

[Gary Creely]

Great report.

I looked over the stats for the church. What I found interesting is the church was experiencing growth straight through that crisis. Looks like 2005 was the really low point attendance wise at 26. An average of 26 means some weeks there would be less than 20, most churches never recover from that. I would say it is a real story of a near death experience, to restoration. Sounds like the good ole days at Gig harbor are these days.

[Jim Franklin]

Watch out Dave, some NazNetter board member of a church is keeping Pastor Gates in mind to present at the nest occasion of a pastoral change. Thanks for the update as I have wondered about the previous pastor who had to be incarcerated. Is it possible that anyone from the Gig Harbor church has gone to serve as a redemptive minister to him?
How has his family faired? Just concerned as I have prayed for them as they have come to mind.

[John Reilly]

As I read this I learned a lot. Thanks, Dave, for posting. The term "best practices" comes to mind.

Dave, Would you be willing to host a NAZNET "CHRISTIAN CONFERENCE" based on a theme of "BEST PRACTICES for Church Growth"? We could call it, "The Gig Harbor NAZNET Best Practices for Church Growth CHRISTIAN CONFERENCE RETREAT." I think Nazneters could lead a session, i,e, Pastor's Prayer Life, Pastor Gates; Supportive Laymen, Dr. McClung; Caring for Others, Dennis Scott; Fellowship, Marian Carney; Music, Jim Chabot; Freedom for Ministry, Hans Deventer; Finances, Ryan Scott; Dealing with Criticism, Craig Laughlin, etc., We don't need a special speaker. We can facilitate our own retreat.

[John Reilly]

Hans and Dennis, I am serious. This is not meant to be Funny!!! We can add the the retreat forum, "Surviving a Church Crisis" and "How to Attract Teens."

[Rick Boyt]

I suspect that if you asked Pastor Gates to explain what is happening in Gig Harbor, his response would be about "supportive laymen."

I had a dream last week that some in the church were upset with Pastor Gates and were beginning to cause problems. In my dream, I stood up and said, "If you are going to pick on my pastor, you will have to run over me." The dream accurately reflects my attitude.

I believe that if more pastors had strong laypersons who would protect them from criticism, they could be more effective.

Dave, my pastor wife says "AMEN" to your remarks...........

[Ryan Scott]

Hans and Dennis, I am serious. This is not meant to be Funny!!! We can add the the retreat forum, "Surviving a Church Crisis" and "How to Attract Teens."

I know one part of it was a joke.

[Jim Chabot]

Hans and Dennis, I am serious. This is not meant to be Funny!!! We can add the the retreat forum, "Surviving a Church Crisis" and "How to Attract Teens."

I'll take you seriously John! Sounds like a great idea!

[Dave McClung]

Great report.

I looked over the stats for the church. What I found interesting is the church was experiencing growth straight through that crisis. Looks like 2005 was the really low point attendance wise at 26. An average of 26 means some weeks there would be less than 20, most churches never recover from that. I would say it is a real story of a near death experience, to restoration. Sounds like the good ole days at Gig harbor are these days.

Gary, the Gig Harbor Church has had three times of crisis. The first was when the founding pastor's wife became sick with cancer. Her slow, painful death was a major issue. The reason Linda and I transferred to the Gig Harbor Church was to provide support for the pastor and wife during those difficult days.

The second was while Linda and I were away at ENC. As you pointed out, while we were away the church dwindled to less than 30. The church survived during that time only because a lay couple from Olympia, Darvin and Judy Barnes, were interested enough to drive from Olympia each Sunday to help the small group who remained.

The third crisis was the one I mentioned in an earlier post.

By the time that Linda and I returned from ENC, the church had started to recover from the second crisis. The initial growth from 2005 through 2006 was primarily from the return of those who had left.

The growth since Pastor Gates has arrived has mostly been from people who have not been part of the church in the past.

Recently, we have had an influx of new people who are coming from other denominations. We now have two men involved in the church who are ordained clergy in other denominations.

There is one other issue that I will discuss in a separate post -- retired and unassigned clergy.

[Dave McClung]

There is one other issue that I will mention. The Gig Harbor church has intentionally become a "safe place" for retired and unassigned clergy.

Over the years, I have become sensitive to how difficult it can be for retired and unassigned clergy to find a church where they can continue to serve without having conflicts with the pastor. Even before Pastor Gates was called, the church leadership decided the the Gig Harbor Church should be a safe place for retired and ordained clergy. We now have five ordained clergy in addition to the pastor and a couple more who are in the course of study. Two are ordained in other denominations. All of these individuals are allowed to fulfill their calls.

One of them, Ted Hughes, was a career missionary. He teaches an adult Sunday School class and on Sunday Mornings holds a service at a Retirment Center. Recently a 90 year old woman accepted the Lord for the first time in one of his services. Ted's wife, Mima, is president of our NMI.

The person who teaches the Sunday School class that I attend is an ordained elder in the Free Methodist Church. Another member of the class is a retired pastor from another denomination.

My advice to young pastors is to embrace the retired and unassigned clergy in your congregations. They have experience and energy that can be helpful to the church if they are freed up to serve in meaningful ways.

[John Reilly]

I agree, retired and unassigned pastors and their families are a great asset to ministry.

[Hans Deventer]

Hans and Dennis, I am serious. This is not meant to be Funny!!! We can add the the retreat forum, "Surviving a Church Crisis" and "How to Attract Teens."

I'm sorry, John. Really thought it was fun. Apologies!

[Marian Schwaller Carney]

Dave - OK, a pastor who has some great habits and practices, and a church comprising a good supply of supportive laypeople. But there must be something else going on, or, however better to phrase that. How do the laypeople relate to one another? Is there a sense of community? Shared lives? Godly intimacy among the people that nurtures the body as a whole? Healthy and edifying accountability?

[Dave McClung]

Watch out Dave, some NazNetter board member of a church is keeping Pastor Gates in mind to present at the nest occasion of a pastoral change. Thanks for the update as I have wondered about the previous pastor who had to be incarcerated. Is it possible that anyone from the Gig Harbor church has gone to serve as a redemptive minister to him?
How has his family faired? Just concerned as I have prayed for them as they have come to mind.

Jim, the former pastor is incarcerated on the Northwest District. I am still in touch with him by mail. One of the retired clergy members from our church visits him from time to time. He seems to be doing as well as can be expected under the circumstances. He testifies to having been forgiven and seems to be witnessing to the other inmates.

The family has relocated. We stay in touch with them. Please remember the wife and four children in your prayers. It was a most difficult time for them, but they seem to have come though the experience with their faith intact. I won't share more details out of respect for their privacy.

[Doug Ward]

Dave, around 20 years ago, I had just accepted my first senior pastorate. On my first Sunday, the DS gave me this bit of advice - do not ever become friends with your people! They need a pastor, not a friend. it sounds to me like Pastor Gates has ignored this bit of advice.

I have ignored this bit of terrible advice. I could not be their pastor, if I was not also their friend.

[Jim Chabot]

Dave, around 20 years ago, I had just accepted my first senior pastorate. On my first Sunday, the DS gave me this bit of advice - do not ever become friends with your people! They need a pastor, not a friend. it sounds to me like Pastor Gates has ignored this bit of advice.

I have ignored this bit of terrible advice. I could not be their pastor, if I was not also their friend.

A while back a pastor/friend of mine shared some advise that he had been given in seminary. He was told that if you hold people close to you and love them there is a great danger that you will be stabbed in the back. On the other hand, if you hold people at a safe distance, they will inevitably stab you in the back with a longer knife. Better to love them!

[Dave McClung]

Dave - OK, a pastor who has some great habits and practices, and a church comprising a good supply of supportive laypeople. But there must be something else going on, or, however better to phrase that. How do the laypeople relate to one another? Is there a sense of community? Shared lives? Godly intimacy among the people that nurtures the body as a whole? Healthy and edifying accountability?

Marian, I have been blessed to be a part of several rapidly growing churches and rapidly growing companies. In all of them there has been a sense of excitement. That sense of excitement seems to be building in the Gig Harbor Church.

We are working hard at assimilating new people by including them into small group fellowship and in helping them to find places of ministry, but I wouldn't be honest if I suggested that we have some kind of unusual program. It is probably more of an attitude than a program.

All of the experts say that a church can't continue to grow beyond 85% capacity of its building. We are well beyond that number. We decided to start a Saturday night contemporary service to help with the crowding situation. The steering committee decided on contemporary music and "hell fire" preaching. That service is now running about 40, but has not solved our crowding issue because most of the people who attend on Saturday evening come back for Sunday morning.

[Wes Smith]

Has Gig Harbor Nazarene conducted any relocation discussions?

Friend,

Wes

[Dave McClung]

Has Gig Harbor Nazarene conducted any relocation discussions?

Friend,

Wes

Wes, yours is a fair question, but I am going to duck it. If the Lord opens the right doors, we are willing to relocate.

Many of the original members have testified that the Lord gave us our current building (it was somewhat of a miracle). For us to relocate it will have to be clearly the Lord's direction.

[Marian Schwaller Carney]

Dave wrote: " Marian, I have been blessed to be a part of several rapidly growing churches and rapidly growing companies. In all of them there has been a sense of excitement. That sense of excitement seems to be building in the Gig Harbor Church.
... ... It is probably more of an attitude than a program. "


I read two important words here: 1) Excitement. 2) Attitude. I thought about these later - in the form of the phrase "Joy in Jesus" - today after posing my question. Thanks, Dave, insightful comments and Gig Harbor is a very helpful and encouraging case study. I am so glad we are discussing this.

[Hans Deventer]

Dave, around 20 years ago, I had just accepted my first senior pastorate. On my first Sunday, the DS gave me this bit of advice - do not ever become friends with your people! They need a pastor, not a friend. it sounds to me like Pastor Gates has ignored this bit of advice.

I have ignored this bit of terrible advice. I could not be their pastor, if I was not also their friend.

Doug, I've heard this quite often. It seems to have been a popular thing to say in the 80's and early 90's. Thankfully, it looks like these days are gone.

[John Reilly]

Thanks Dave those are excellent insights. It is very encouraging to me to watch what is happening at Gig Harbor. (From another thread - This would be a great place for a "teaching church") Not to pull him away from what he does but we could sure use a little replication of his approach.

My suggestion for a NAZNET retreat is along the lines of learning from the Gig Harbor church as a teaching church. Perhaps there are local accommodation like Holiday Inn and perhaps we could use the church for our sessions. I would suggest we plan a retreat from a Thursday through Tuesday in order to attend the weekend Worship Services and then have time to debrief.

[Dave McClung]

My suggestion for a NAZNET retreat is along the lines of learning from the Gig Harbor church as a teaching church. Perhaps there are local accommodation like Holiday Inn and perhaps we could use the church for our sessions. I would suggest we plan a retreat from a Thursday through Tuesday in order to attend the weekend Worship Services and then have time to debrief.

John, if there was an interest, I am confident that Pastor Gates would be glad to help. Gig Harbor is a great place to visit in the summer and fall.

[Marsha Lynn]

My suggestion for a NAZNET retreat is along the lines of learning from the Gig Harbor church as a teaching church. Perhaps there are local accommodation like Holiday Inn and perhaps we could use the church for our sessions. I would suggest we plan a retreat from a Thursday through Tuesday in order to attend the weekend Worship Services and then have time to debrief.

After that one can we have another in Arlington, Texas? I would love to see firsthand what Paul & Cynthia Prentice are doing there to minister to the community around them.

[Craig Laughlin]

My suggestion for a NAZNET retreat is along the lines of learning from the Gig Harbor church as a teaching church. Perhaps there are local accommodation like Holiday Inn and perhaps we could use the church for our sessions. I would suggest we plan a retreat from a Thursday through Tuesday in order to attend the weekend Worship Services and then have time to debrief.

I think this is a great idea. I would love to see more (any) conferences that focus on the challenges of smaller churches.

My first church was under 50 and I was desperate for tools to help me out. I went to Big church conferences which helped but required a lot of translation and I didn't always do that well. I was fortunate in that my DS really mentored me but most young pastors don't' get that. - Pastor Gates and Gig Harbor would be an excellent example for folks to take a look at. I'm about a hour and half north of Gig harbor but would help out any way I am able.

[Hans Deventer]

I think this is a great idea. I would love to see more (any) conferences that focus on the challenges of smaller churches.

I saw Delta flies from Amsterdam directly to Seattle and vice versa, even twice a day. That's good news. Would love to be there!

[John Reilly]

We need to take a poll for the amount of interest out there in NAZNET land. I was looking at Inns and hotels in Gig Harbor. There is really nice INN but it is expensive. People ought to weigh in on cost opinions.

[Marian Schwaller Carney]

We need to take a poll for the amount of interest out there in NAZNET land. I was looking at Inns and hotels in Gig Harbor. There is really nice INN but it is expensive. People ought to weigh in on cost opinions.

John - I was wondering about this earlier today. Maybe recruiting for this needs a new topic string with a poll attached?