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    Yesterday I met some new friends.
    These four people, all from Korea, have come to the United States to pursue theological education. They have recently been introduced to the Church of the Nazarene, and have decided to unite with us. They are mature, passionate, and gifted. I am looking forward to working with them and seeing how God will use them. But that is not why I am telling you about them.

    Each of these four young people said something marvelous and eye-opening, and so relevant to what I am thinking and feeling these days that I need to ask you to think about it too. All four of them left Korea, and none of them plan to go back. Two plan to go to China as missionaries, and two plan to remain in the United States and work among diverse groups of Asians living here. As they were sharing the story of their call from God, each one made a prophetic statement that was the last thing I thought about last night, and the first thing I thought about this morning.

    They each said, "In order to be a missionary, we must give up our culture for the culture of the kingdom of God. We gave up the culture of Korea, so that we could embrace kingdom culture." They each said it, and they said it with such honesty and transparency that it was clear they did not realize how revolutionary the statement was. There was no sense that they were disrespecting their own nationalistic and tribal culture. They were simply proclaiming the primacy of kingdom culture, and recognizing the need to place everything about themselves under the authority of Christ.

    Now you may be thinking, "Mike, what's the big deal? They are missionaries. Of course they have to give up their own culture. That's what missionaries do."

    Well, let me try to explain why I found it so radical, and why the 20 or so other pastors who sat around the table with me also found it so radical.

    1. It was such a clear statement of priority. We all know how much of our personal identity is tied up in our culture. We are products and children of our culture. The conscious decision, and the verbalization of it, that we are giving up our culture is a straight forward testimony that we are new creations in Christ Jesus.

    2. It was such a clear statement of initiative. Christianity, at its best, has always found a way to bring the teachings of Christ into a relationship with culture that both prophetically challenges and embraces every culture. When we are willing to say - "I set aside my culture, the culture of my birth, for the culture of my new birth" - we are then able to embrace and speak to and alongside every culture, not in judgment but in love and grace.

    3. It was such a prophetic statement to the American church. These folks left their culture, not to embrace the culture of another country or tribe, but to embrace the culture of the kingdom of God. Yet it is so difficult for us as Americans to understand the difference between American culture and kingdom culture. We have such a difficult time placing our culture under the authority of Jesus and the kingdom. We are not able to bring our culture to God and give it up for the sake of the call.

    So today, as I thought about my new friends, I walked into our church. At the front of our sanctuary there are two flags. On one side is an American flag, and on the other side is a flag that has been designed to represent the Christian church. Most of the folks who come into our sanctuary probably never see, much less ponder, the inherent tension in that symbolism.

    For me today, the tension is palpable.
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    I have often thought about such things. I have a friend who considers herself a 'citizen of the world'. Not quite the same as your new friends but the same concept is there. She acknowledges that there are aspects of our culture that prevent her from connecting with others around the world. She is willing to give up her culture so that she can put on others' cultures. She gets a lot of flack for doing so mostly because so many around her in the USA don't understand. She refuses to salute the flag for this reason.

    I am with her in her quest but I apply it to being a citizen of the Kingdom of God. For this reason, the more I learn and comphrend what the kingdom of God is like, the less desire I have for things like flags in the sanctuary. It is why I have a hard time with the mixing of politics and the church. I once heard a sermon in which the preacher said "the strength of the nation is in the loyalty of her people." I wanted to throw up. The truth is that the strength of a nation comes when God is our King and not just in name only but in word and action.
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    As the debates on Naznet quite clearly illustrate, there are many things which are attributes of "American" which have, for generations, become identified with "Christian". As a result, many of us are poorly equipped to see the Kingdom from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Schutz View Post
    Yesterday I met some new friends.
    These four people, all from Korea, have come to the United States to pursue theological education. They have recently been introduced to the Church of the Nazarene, and have decided to unite with us. They are mature, passionate, and gifted. I am looking forward to working with them and seeing how God will use them. But that is not why I am telling you about them.

    Each of these four young people said something marvelous and eye-opening, and so relevant to what I am thinking and feeling these days that I need to ask you to think about it too. All four of them left Korea, and none of them plan to go back. Two plan to go to China as missionaries, and two plan to remain in the United States and work among diverse groups of Asians living here. As they were sharing the story of their call from God, each one made a prophetic statement that was the last thing I thought about last night, and the first thing I thought about this morning.

    They each said, "In order to be a missionary, we must give up our culture for the culture of the kingdom of God. We gave up the culture of Korea, so that we could embrace kingdom culture." They each said it, and they said it with such honesty and transparency that it was clear they did not realize how revolutionary the statement was. There was no sense that they were disrespecting their own nationalistic and tribal culture. They were simply proclaiming the primacy of kingdom culture, and recognizing the need to place everything about themselves under the authority of Christ.

    Now you may be thinking, "Mike, what's the big deal? They are missionaries. Of course they have to give up their own culture. That's what missionaries do."

    Well, let me try to explain why I found it so radical, and why the 20 or so other pastors who sat around the table with me also found it so radical.

    1. It was such a clear statement of priority. We all know how much of our personal identity is tied up in our culture. We are products and children of our culture. The conscious decision, and the verbalization of it, that we are giving up our culture is a straight forward testimony that we are new creations in Christ Jesus.

    2. It was such a clear statement of initiative. Christianity, at its best, has always found a way to bring the teachings of Christ into a relationship with culture that both prophetically challenges and embraces every culture. When we are willing to say - "I set aside my culture, the culture of my birth, for the culture of my new birth" - we are then able to embrace and speak to and alongside every culture, not in judgment but in love and grace.

    3. It was such a prophetic statement to the American church. These folks left their culture, not to embrace the culture of another country or tribe, but to embrace the culture of the kingdom of God. Yet it is so difficult for us as Americans to understand the difference between American culture and kingdom culture. We have such a difficult time placing our culture under the authority of Jesus and the kingdom. We are not able to bring our culture to God and give it up for the sake of the call.

    So today, as I thought about my new friends, I walked into our church. At the front of our sanctuary there are two flags. On one side is an American flag, and on the other side is a flag that has been designed to represent the Christian church. Most of the folks who come into our sanctuary probably never see, much less ponder, the inherent tension in that symbolism.

    For me today, the tension is palpable.
    The Kingdom was established when Christ came. But it has not reached its full development. Like the mustard tree, it started out small, but will grow to enormous size. Just like the stone in the book of Daniel, became a mountain that filled the whole earth. Like leaven in bread, it will transform the world. Like yeast, the kingdom will continue to work until all is leavened. The goal of the kingdom is world dominion under Christ’s lordship a world take over.
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    Re: Trading National and Tribal Culture for Kingdom Culture

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Parsons View Post
    The Kingdom was established when Christ came. But it has not reached its full development. Like the mustard tree, it started out small, but will grow to enormous size. Just like the stone in the book of Daniel, became a mountain that filled the whole earth. Like leaven in bread, it will transform the world. Like yeast, the kingdom will continue to work until all is leavened. The goal of the kingdom is world dominion under Christ’s lordship a world take over.
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    What do you mean? I miss the link with Mike's post, though you have quoted it completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Parsons View Post
    The Kingdom was established when Christ came. But it has not reached its full development. Like the mustard tree, it started out small, but will grow to enormous size. Just like the stone in the book of Daniel, became a mountain that filled the whole earth. Like leaven in bread, it will transform the world. Like yeast, the kingdom will continue to work until all is leavened. The goal of the kingdom is world dominion under Christ’s lordship a world take over.
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    So...supralapsarianism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Parsons View Post
    The Kingdom was established when Christ came. But it has not reached its full development. Like the mustard tree, it started out small, but will grow to enormous size. Just like the stone in the book of Daniel, became a mountain that filled the whole earth. Like leaven in bread, it will transform the world. Like yeast, the kingdom will continue to work until all is leavened. The goal of the kingdom is world dominion under Christ’s lordship a world take over.
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    I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying here, Larry, but I wonder if your terms lead to confusion or could at least be explained a little more. Like a mustard seed or like yeast spreads to leaven bread or like a virus spreading around, the kingdom spreads, I believe, in small movements of people rising up to faithfully live the self-sacrificial love, justice, mercy, and compassion way of Christ in and for the world. Maybe this is what you're saying.

    But with terms like "world dominion" and "world take over" I think some might get the wrong idea, as if the kingdom of God operates like the kingdoms of the world, using power and might over people to usher in the kingdom. The goal isn't a world take over; the goal is to faithfully live God's way in and for the world.

    I'm not trying to read anything beyond what you wrote, but those were my thoughts when I first read your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Erickson View Post
    So...supralapsarianism?
    Just asking,what did i say here that was full of supralapsarian doctrine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Pugh View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying here, Larry, but I wonder if your terms lead to confusion or could at least be explained a little more. Like a mustard seed or like yeast spreads to leaven bread or like a virus spreading around, the kingdom spreads, I believe, in small movements of people rising up to faithfully live the self-sacrificial love, justice, mercy, and compassion way of Christ in and for the world. Maybe this is what you're saying.

    But with terms like "world dominion" and "world take over" I think some might get the wrong idea, as if the kingdom of God operates like the kingdoms of the world, using power and might over people to usher in the kingdom. The goal isn't a world take over; the goal is to faithfully live God's way in and for the world.

    I'm not trying to read anything beyond what you wrote, but those were my thoughts when I first read your post.
    Doesn’t the scripture tell us that God wanted his image to have dominion over the earth? First it was with Adam and next it was with Christ. Christ came as the Son of Man, the second man to accomplish the task assigned to the First Man. He came to be the King to have dominion over the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Parsons View Post
    Just asking,what did i say here that was full of supralapsarian doctrine?
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    You essentially appeared to say 'what will be, will be'. i.e., double predestination, or supralapsarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Parsons View Post
    Doesn’t the scripture tell us that God wanted his image to have dominion over the earth? First it was with Adam and next it was with Christ. Christ came as the Son of Man, the second man to accomplish the task assigned to the First Man. He came to be the King to have dominion over the world.
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    Biblically, the concept of "dominion" does not mean "dominate" or "rule with power." Biblically the idea of "dominion," first mentioned in Gen 1, means "to take responsibility for." That was the model for Israelite kings, that they should have dominion over the people, that is, that they served the people and looked out for their welfare.

    So biblically, the imagery of "king" in this context has nothing to do with our common concept of a King ruling over subjects. Remember, the King of Kings came not to be served but to serve. That is why Paul describes the people of God as servants. Our task as people of God, followers of the King, is not to rule the world but to serve it. That is dominion.
    Luke 22:25 He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. 22:26 But not so with you; rather the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like one who serves. 22:27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Bratcher View Post
    Biblically, the concept of "dominion" does not mean "dominate" or "rule with power." Biblically the idea of "dominion," first mentioned in Gen 1, means "to take responsibility for." That was the model for Israelite kings, that they should have dominion over the people, that is, that they served the people and looked out for their welfare.

    So biblically, the imagery of "king" in this context has nothing to do with our common concept of a King ruling over subjects. Remember, the King of Kings came not to be served but to serve. That is why Paul describes the people of God as servants. Our task as people of God, followers of the King, is not to rule the world but to serve it. That is dominion.
    Luke 22:25 He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. 22:26 But not so with you; rather the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like one who serves. 22:27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.
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    But wasn't Adam created a king? Wasn't he suppose to subdue the earth and have dominion over it? Adam was made a king by God and was order by God to rule over the earth. God wanted his image in man to rule the world under Him.(If you don't like the word king we could use the word prince) You are right when you said: " the imagery of "king" in this context has nothing to do with our common concept of a King ruling over subjects. Remember, the King of Kings came not to be served but to serve. This is where are work of charity come into play and God is using his people to conquor the world through the gospel and charity. So I believe I'm agree with you thanks
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    I have a friend who considers herself a 'citizen of the world'.
    That sounds like the same idea I have heard from missionary kids, I have meet in college. They seem to have the concept of no real cultural ties.
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    That sounds like the same idea I have heard from missionary kids, I have meet in college. They seem to have the concept of no real cultural ties.
    I agree that MKs would definitely feel more like world citizens instead of citizens of the nation of their parents. I think of that with some missional families who've been in the ministry for many generations.

    For my friend, she never left her home state, with an exception of NYC one year, until she was in her 30s I believe. She came to this conclusion because she'd read the bible and believe it is wrong to bomb others, et al and then watch on tv or read in a book that Americans were pround of bombing innocent children. She decided that if she saw herself as a citizen of the world, her eyes would be more open to acknowledging the atrocities that were going on in the world.
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    I agree that MKs would definitely feel more like world citizens instead of citizens of the nation of their parents. I think of that with some missional families who've been in the ministry for many generations.

    For my friend, she never left her home state, with an exception of NYC one year, until she was in her 30s I believe. She came to this conclusion because she'd read the bible and believe it is wrong to bomb others, et al and then watch on tv or read in a book that Americans were pround of bombing innocent children. She decided that if she saw herself as a citizen of the world, her eyes would be more open to acknowledging the atrocities that were going on in the world.
    While I have left my State and have been to Canada the only place outside the US I have been because of NYC. I have worked in a different culture for about two years, when I worked at a car wash. I got a different view than what I was hearing at the time and changed quite a bit of my ideology because of it. I have always felt that if we can look beyond our country and stop treating others as "thems". Then we could really get down the actual business of world changers.
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    I think these would be the people of whom you are refering. The one with all four of them was taken by Gary Creely as we prepared to receive the district licenses. The other one was taken by me at the NMI Convention during the prayer time for the nations. He prayed in Korean. From all my years of watching M*A*S*H, I was able to understand the word "Father". I felt so smart

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    Let's find out what culture predominates our churches. This coming Sunday, which will be more celebrated, Memorial Day or Pentecost?
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    Let's find out what culture predominates our churches. This coming Sunday, which will be more celebrated, Memorial Day or Pentecost?
    In our church it will be Pentacost. I am sure there will be a nod to memorial day.
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    I started a tradition with my family last year at our previous church and just introduced it to our current church. Pentecost Tailgating. We gather in the parking lot the Saturday night before Pentecost Sunday and tailgate! We bring RV's and tents and hang out. Then in the morning we get up and walk into church.

    Not everyone is into staying all night and some go home. Not every one, including my pastor, understands why I think it is cool, but the last one we did was a lot of fun as we hung out with different people from church sharing food and games and it did create an additional focus and attention on Pentecost. I just figured if we tailgate for sports events why not Pentecost.

    So if you are in Cody Wyoming, May 26th you are welcome to join us in the church parking lot. Bring your own food and games and let's have some fun as we prepare for Pentecost the next day!
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    Sunday is Pentecost. Our worship service will be all about that.

    There will be no mention of Memorial Day. Appropriate remembrances will take place in our community on Saturday and Monday.

    That in no way suggests a lack of respect or appreciation for the sacrifice of those who are remembered on Memorial Day.
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    Let's find out what culture predominates our churches. This coming Sunday, which will be more celebrated, Memorial Day or Pentecost?
    We are doing Memorial Day! I'm going to split the songs between the two to give balance, our Pastor is definitely doing Memorial Day. We will do Pentecost nest Sunday. Hey if we are going to get all hung up on days and dates, then we need to observe the Sabbath on Saturday!

    And yes we are having a cookout after church as well!
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    In our church it will be Pentacost. I am sure there will be a nod to memorial day.
    That's "Pentecost" you heathen. Come on man, get with the program!
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    While I have left my State and have been to Canada the only place outside the US I have been because of NYC. I have worked in a different culture for about two years, when I worked at a car wash. I got a different view than what I was hearing at the time and changed quite a bit of my ideology because of it. I have always felt that if we can look beyond our country and stop treating others as "thems". Then we could really get down the actual business of world changers.
    Excellent post Stephen. One need not travel at all to experience a different culture. I have spent much of my working experience in the trades, culture is everywhere, people are so different and so incredibly interesting! You are right, there are no "thems." Although one thing I have learned from many, is that while they value their culture and their heritage, they do not value their countries politics. From Cape Verde, Liberia, Tanzania, Uganda, Portugal or France, I have yet to meet someone here who has any desire to return.
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    Although one thing I have learned from many, is that while they value their culture and their heritage, they do not value their countries politics. From Cape Verde, Liberia, Tanzania, Uganda, Portugal or France, I have yet to meet someone here who has any desire to return.
    You have met a Dutchman who has. Love to travel, and happy to go home! Though I will grant you, I would consider moving to Australia. However, can't ever get Hannie out of Dordrecht, let alone the Netherlands, so that's pretty much a moot point.

    Come to think of it, you have met two! Edwin has travelled all over South, Mid and North America. He's happy to be back in the Netherlands.
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    That's "Pentecost" you heathen. Come on man, get with the program!
    You spell it this way, he spells it another way.

    He celebrates it this Sunday, you celebrate in another day.

    You say tomato, he says tomato.

    For a moment there, I had forgotten all about the program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis M. Scott View Post
    You spell it this way, he spells it another way.

    He celebrates it this Sunday, you celebrate in another day.

    You say tomato, he says tomato.

    For a moment there, I had forgotten all about the program.
    What pogrom? Who's coming for us now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Deventer View Post
    You have met a Dutchman who has. Love to travel, and happy to go home! Though I will grant you, I would consider moving to Australia. However, can't ever get Hannie out of Dordrecht, let alone the Netherlands, so that's pretty much a moot point.

    Come to think of it, you have met two! Edwin has travelled all over South, Mid and North America. He's happy to be back in the Netherlands.
    Yes you are right! I've also met Kees as well! I am glad that you folks like it there, not that you wouldn't be welcomed here of course. Rather that there is a certain sadness when speaking with someone who is far from home, and yet they don't wish to return. I think of how they must be detached from their culture, from their childhood friends and family.

    I suppose that I should have clarified that these were/are folks that I've worked with and who live here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Frey View Post
    Let's find out what culture predominates our churches. This coming Sunday, which will be more celebrated, Memorial Day or Pentecost?
    Military chapel in Washington, DC, on the Potomac, within sight of the capital building, about five miles from Arlington cemetery: we'll be doing Pentecost, sermon from Ezekiel 37.

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    Re: Trading National and Tribal Culture for Kingdom Culture

    Although your missionary friends are refreshingly authentic and encouraging, I ran across a very similar, very old statement on a favorite blog I follow today from Jim Elliot:

    http://www2.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/faq/20.htm

    God bless them on their journey!

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