New DS in Northwest Indiana

[Michael Flowers]

Dave is 42.

BTW, we abbreviate it NWIN, not NWID. I have no idea why... but it seems right to me. NWID looks like Northwest Idaho to me.

We have 4 districts in Indiana, and we can't seem to agree at all on how abbreviations should be done:

• Northwest Indiana (NWIN)
• Northeast Indiana (NEI) -- or Northeastern Indiana
• Southwest Indiana (SWID)
• Indianapolis (Indy)

I suspect that the reason for it being NWIN is that if it were simply NWI (like NEI is) then it could also be seen to refer to NWIL. Other than that I have no idea why it is simply NEI and not NEIN or why SWID isn't SWIN.

[Rich Schmidt]

I suspect that the reason for it being NWIN is that if it were simply NWI (like NEI is) then it could also be seen to refer to NWIL. Other than that I have no idea why it is simply NEI and not NEIN or why SWID isn't SWIN.

I'm sure there's a history behind all of them that would make sense of it.

[Houston Thomas]

One of my peers, eh? At least if playing golf together many years ago qualifies. I'm either really old suddenly or NWID just elected a really young DS.

Never would have guessed you're that old.

[Daniel Hamlin]

We report GS elections in detail all over the internet, but a DS election appears to be a non-public event. I have a hard time harmonizing these two concepts. But it may be me.

Don't worry Hans, trying to harmonize the two concepts is a post-modern thing. Here, let me explain it to you...

[Dennis M. Scott]

This thread is getting a little weird. Seems we really need to work out some collective understanding of what is and what is not public information. We report GS elections in detail all over the internet, but a DS election appears to be a non-public event. I have a hard time harmonizing these two concepts. But it may be me.

I know this may be difficult, but consider that Nazarenes from one part of the world may think differently than Nazarenes from somewhere else. Strange but true.

[Hans Deventer]

I know this may be difficult, but consider that Nazarenes from one part of the world may think differently than Nazarenes from somewhere else. Strange but true.

Sure. Don't think that is the issue here, though. And it may in fact be that I'm closer in my thinking to you, than you are to a fellow New Englander.

[Hans Deventer]

Once a DS has been elected and has accepted, all bets are off. It's public knowledge.

And even that works differently at the GA level. During the GA's, NCN produces daily bulletins with the votes cast so far, long before there is an election.

I'm still wondering where the difference comes from. We've elected plenty of GS's who were pastoring a church before they got elected, just like people elected DS.

[Dennis M. Scott]

Sure. Don't think that is the issue here, though. And it may in fact be that I'm closer in my thinking to you, than you are to a fellow New Englander.

Yeah, but the one you're thinking of is from "away".

Actually, I really wonder if control and using the same old information distribution methods we used to use, might be the issue. I don't think it's Rich, however. Several naznetters offline have been for several weeks now wondering what this issue is all about.

For me, it doesn't matter much. I've followed these things long enough to know that whether I find out today or tomorrow doesn't effect the outcome very much, even as it doesn't make my personal life much different. I don't have to be the first to know. I'll just settle for being the first to forget.

[Hans Deventer]

Actually, I really wonder if control and using the same old information distribution methods we used to use, might be the issue. I don't think it's Rich, however. Several naznetters offline have been for several weeks now wondering what this issue is all about.

Well, it probably has to do with the attention given to the election before. If that had not happened, likely, we'd have read about it for the first time in an NCN bulletin. And indeed be the first ones to forget, because it's just another DS election, as there has been, and probably will be, numerous ones that never shook the earth.

So as far as I can see, the strange thing is that once a DS election is viewed as a GS election, along with requests for prayer, speculation who might be elected etc etc, it's a little weird to all of a sudden revert to the old system you mentioned once the election gets under way. For me, that's the point where the short circuit is.

Either, as I see it, you want to involve people and do so all the way, or you don't. Because there simply is no fundamental difference regarding the public character of a GS and a DS election.

All of course in my humble opinion, that is always willing to be convinced otherwise. Based on good arguments, of course.

[Billy Cox]

Never would have guessed you're that old.

So you either thought I was a young hellraiser or an old curmudgeon?

Usually when I see an announcement of a new DS election, it's likely some old person I have never even heard of, not someone I have broken bread with or played golf with. But I'm not old...David Bartley is young. (like me)

[Rich Schmidt]

Usually when I see an announcement of a new DS election, it's likely some old person I have never even heard of, not someone I have broken bread with or played golf with. But I'm not old...David Bartley is young. (like me)

The times, they are a'changin.

[Craig Laughlin]

So you either thought I was a young hellraiser or an old curmudgeon?

Usually when I see an announcement of a new DS election, it's likely some old person I have never even heard of, not someone I have broken bread with or played golf with. But I'm not old...David Bartley is young. (like me)

I remember when Jeren was elected DS on the Kansas city district. Jeren and I graduated from NNU together and served on the district together for a long time. He is a little younger than me. I remember this sudden uncomfortable feeling that my generation was moving from being the outside critics to being the people in power. I had this voice screaming in my head, "Wait! Who put us in charge?" - Then the realization that I wasn't a kid anymore. --- Welcome to the club Billy.

[Dennis M. Scott]

You bunch of young whippersnappers! John Denny, Dan Ketchum, Hal Perkins, Ed Robinson, Woodie Stevens, Jon Scott, Lindell Browning, Roger Hahn, Ron Benefiel - those are the guys I was in school with, and they're beginning to retire - so you guys can take over.

I remember a couple of years ago thinking, "I should sit down with some of the older pastors on our district, and pick their brains." Then it dawned on me . . .

The only guy I could think of who was older than me retired Jan. 1 of this year. That's stupid. Where's that smiley face with a gray beard?

[Marsha Lynn]

You bunch of young whippersnappers! John Denny, Dan Ketchum, Hal Perkins, Ed Robinson, Woodie Stevens, Jon Scott, Lindell Browning, Roger Hahn, Ron Benefiel - those are the guys I was in school with, and they're beginning to retire - so you guys can take over.

I remember a couple of years ago thinking, "I should sit down with some of the older pastors on our district, and pick their brains." Then it dawned on me . . .

The only guy I could think of who was older than me retired Jan. 1 of this year. That's stupid. Where's that smiley face with a gray beard?

Boy, ain't it true? It wasn't until after I joined NazNet that I realized I am an official "baby boomer." I always thought of baby boomers as the hippie generation, people ten years older than I am who came of age in the 60s and protested the draft and burned their bras and grew long hair and wore flowers in their hair then joined the establishment and raised kids and forged the way for the forgotten demographic in which I viewed myself to be. There seemed to be so many of them everywhere I went! I saw them as the movers and shakers in my world. Now they are retiring and I'm wondering who is going to run the world in their absence.

Not too long ago on Facebook, a classmate's birthday came up. I looked at his age and was momentarily puzzled. Did he put in the wrong birth date or something? Oh ... wait. I guess not. He's the same age as I am. Both of us have been caught up in the same weird time warp that somehow dumped a bunch of birthdays on us without notice and put us into the gray-beard demographic. I was vaguely aware that it was happening to me, but didn't quite grasp that my young classmates of yesteryear were caught up in the same vortex. Still, there have never seemed to be that many of us from my perspective. How will the world manage without the 10-years-older-than-us movers and shakers?

[Craig Laughlin]

You bunch of young whippersnappers! John Denny, Dan Ketchum, Hal Perkins, Ed Robinson, Woodie Stevens, Jon Scott, Lindell Browning, Roger Hahn, Ron Benefiel - those are the guys I was in school with, and they're beginning to retire - so you guys can take over.

I remember a couple of years ago thinking, "I should sit down with some of the older pastors on our district, and pick their brains." Then it dawned on me . . .

The only guy I could think of who was older than me retired Jan. 1 of this year. That's stupid. Where's that smiley face with a gray beard?

Ouch. Went to a meeting yesterday with the DS. He invited some of the other pastors that were innovative. I found myself picking the brain of folks 20 years my junior and I (Other than the DS) was the oldest by a bunch. - Still... you got me....

[Susan Unger]

What gets me is when I first joined FB and saw that a guy 3 months older than me had posted grandkid pics. I was depressed for months.

[Craig Laughlin]

And another thing... those of us that have a lots of posts... do we really have to be "Senior" members? - Not that I'm sensitive but...

[Hans Deventer]

And another thing... those of us that have a lots of posts... do we really have to be "Senior" members? - Not that I'm sensitive but...

What do you prefer, Craig? Advanced member? Distinguished member? Right honourable member?

[Craig Laughlin]

What do you prefer, Craig? Advanced member? Distinguished member? Right honourable member?

Certainly not Advanced! - Rats --- Now I remember laughing at the older crowd because they couldn't come up with a name that would describe them but didn't make someone feel old... - It would seem that what goes around comes around. - Good things my kids aren't on here. They would get a kick out of it.

[Ryan Scott]

I remember when Jeren was elected DS on the Kansas city district. Jeren and I graduated from NNU together and served on the district together for a long time. He is a little younger than me. I remember this sudden uncomfortable feeling that my generation was moving from being the outside critics to being the people in power. I had this voice screaming in my head, "Wait! Who put us in charge?" - Then the realization that I wasn't a kid anymore. --- Welcome to the club Billy.

If it makes you feel better, I had no idea you were that old.

[Michael Flowers]

Certainly not Advanced! - Rats --- Now I remember laughing at the older crowd because they couldn't come up with a name that would describe them but didn't make someone feel old... - It would seem that what goes around comes around. - Good things my kids aren't on here. They would get a kick out of it.

Haha! Your kids might not be on here but some of us who are your kid's age are.
Anyway, you kinda sound like my dad in this line of thinking. He is ready to admit that he isn't young anymore, but he certainly isn't old either (sadly few people seem to realize that though).

[Craig Laughlin]

Haha! Your kids might not be on here but some of us who are your kid's age are.
Anyway, you kinda sound like my dad in this line of thinking. He is ready to admit that he isn't young anymore, but he certainly isn't old either (sadly few people seem to realize that though).

Yes, Michael your coming on Naznet as a pastor didn't help my age crises at all. (Michael's dad graduated from NNU with me as well as Jeren) But I would appreciate it if you didn't bring this up anymore. De-nial isn't just a river in Africa.

[Dennis M. Scott]

Certainly not Advanced! - Rats --- Now I remember laughing at the older crowd because they couldn't come up with a name that would describe them but didn't make someone feel old... - It would seem that what goes around comes around. - Good things my kids aren't on here. They would get a kick out of it.

Well, sometimes it's nice.

[Susan Unger]

Certainly not Advanced! - Rats --- Now I remember laughing at the older crowd because they couldn't come up with a name that would describe them but didn't make someone feel old... - It would seem that what goes around comes around. - Good things my kids aren't on here. They would get a kick out of it.

Primetime member??

[Craig Laughlin]

Primetime member??

Okay, now you're just torturing me.

[Susan Unger]

Okay, now you're just torturing me.

And lovin' it....cuz you are still older than me!!!!