God and Country or Idolatry, I report you decide-
did he just rub the flag on his face? yeah...yeah he did
"Love without holiness disintegrates into sentimentality. Personal integrity is lost. But holiness without love is not holiness at all. In spite of its label, it displays harshness, judgmentalism, a critical spirit, and all its capacity for discrimination end in nit-picking and divisiveness."-Mildred Bangs Wynkoop
I'd say it borders idolatry. Eeeek.
Wherever I am, God is, and all is well.
I don't see a problem with it at all. The man is proud of his country as any American should be, and he is properly placing his thanks in God, and he is properly placing his hope for this country right where he should as well.
I have sung this song in church on Memorial Day Sunday for the past five years, most of those times with a color guard bringing the flags down the aisle.
Same with this song, every Fourth of July Sunday for the past five years. I love the way Gloria illiterates how the Spirit of God has moved in the forming of this union! My current pastor was elated to hear that I was able to sing this, it was the title of his sermon and he wanted this to be the closing song.
Sorry if some think this stuff borders on idolatry, I have no idea where your coming from. Glad to be in the church I'm at!
To know and to serve God, of course, is why we're here, a clear truth, that, like the nose on your face, is near at hand and easily discernible but can make you dizzy if you try to focus on it hard. But a little faith will see you through.
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ETA, after seeing Jim's post he was doing while I was doing mine, to say that I have not been known for being against patriotic songs (do like Lee Greenwood's song, "God bless the USA," & am thankful for being here), yet cannot help but think of those whose homes I have seen/been in (Mexico), whose stories we have heard (ESL/ELL class folks), and whose stories have been related in various ways ... while the USA is relatively privileged, even those of us who have been hurting now for years.
Life beats down and crushes the soul and art reminds you that you have one.
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That doesn't mean I'm not grateful to have been born here in this little country on the banks of the Rhine. It sure beats Somalia, just to name one. But I am definitely longing for a better one.
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It just crossed my mind that perhaps size does matter
Let me explain.
The other day fellow NazNetter Ian Gentles, who is Scottish, posted this one on his Facebook page:
I love it! Never been to Scotland, though I've seen quite a few documentaries. But there is something about their proud and tragic history that endears me to these people.
At the same time, there is a pretty narrow line between good and decent love of country and this:
Somehow, stuff like this does not endear me to flags and love of one's country.
So it also has to do with size. Could they be a threat? Who is singing? What is their goal? What exactly do they love? Their country, or its power? Do they think they are special, more than others? Chosen by God?
I was born on the blood stained soil of Europe, and my home town of Rotterdam was torn apart by German bombers in May 1940, and occupied by troops with "Gott Mit Uns" (God with us) on them. And it isn't all that long ago, my mother still vividly remembers.
That fact will influence my look at flags and country and religion songs for ever.
I'm sorry for those who cannot celebrate their heartfelt appreciation for the freedoms that God Almighty has given to this nation through God fearing founding fathers. No, I do not understand nor do I want to undeerstand that viewpoint. As Christians it is only right for us to be thankful for the freedom this country has held dear for over 200 years and I think God is saddened by those who cannot or will not appreciate these freedoms. Maybe it takes the loss of family members and crushing grief that it brings to adequately appreciate their sacrifice. There is now no condemnation for those who hold an opposing viewpoint but sorrow. May gratefulness to God for His benefits and blessings never be called idolatry.
The neighboring city of Nampa, the home of Northwest Nazarene University, has for many years set aside a day each June for a day long celebration called "God and Country" to which many of us Nazarenes attend with grateful hearts.
I don't think any American posting here fails to appreciate and celebrate the freedoms God has given us in this great country. I also would hope that even those Christians who aren't citizens of the USA can see the great things God has done through this country to further His kingdom (missionary movement, etc.). I just pray we never equate the two (God and Country) and end up in the same type of situation (Gott Mit Uns) as happened in Germany. I do proudly pledge allegiance to our flag (and gripe a little when I pay my taxes), but that allegiance pales in comparison to that Kingdom which has bought me even greater freedom and to which I owe my primary allegiance and to which I will belong for a lot longer time.
That is unfortunate.No, I do not understand nor do I want to undeerstand that viewpoint.
Kind of surprised to see this subject having another whirl! Let it go, folks! Next thing you know we'll be arguing about the saints and statutes in the Catholic Church! Eeergh!
The first song that was presented was hard to even make out the words. The Gaither singing was reasonable but the idea that somehow any recognition and gratefulness to God for our freedoms has anything to do with idolatry just does not compute. The love ones I lost were my brother fighting for the freedom of Europeans and the nephew in 1964 in Vietnam when the French bailed out. Yes, Americans have lost a lot of service members trying to maintain, regain or initiate freedom for those yearning to "breathe free."
That is not the one I take as much issue with.The Gaither singing was reasonable
If by this you are talking about WWII it strikes me as odd to look at that as a fight for European freedom. Certainly we helped the Europeans, but we were protecting our own interests as well.fighting for the freedom of Europeans
I don't think anyone here has a problem with that. But what is happening in the song I posted goes much further than that, and the issue is when love of country exceeds love of God, and when God and nation are difficult to differentiate.but the idea that somehow any recognition and gratefulness to God for our freedoms has anything to do with idolatry just does not compute
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