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    The Ethiopian Eunuch

    It is a little awkward for me to admit that I never really looked at the OT scripture the eunuch was reading. I always pretty much thought it was just an OT reference to Jesus being the sacrificial lamb. "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. In his humiliation he was deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth." Acts 8:32,33. For me, Jesus is a sacrificial lamb: for the eunuch, it was much more important. For those of you that "got it" a long time ago, please be gentle with me.

    1 - As one who is not a eunuch, this passage might help me understand by Philip's example how I should/could someone whose matters sexually are pretty much different than mine. The Eunuch was studying scripture, and Philip explained the scripture to the eunuch, who was then baptized. Philip disappeared, and the eunuch went on his way rejoicing.

    2 - The scripture does not say the eunuch was homosexual. While it is a little bit of a stretch to conclude that, we might assume that the eunuch did not go find a nice Christian girl and start a family.

    3 - The bible also points out that some eunuchs are born that way, and others are made that way by people. I can't help but see the parallel to conversations about nature and nurture in others naznet threads.

    4 - The writer of Acts was Luke, a doctor. Doctors have pretty much been the one who made decisions at the time of gender assignment. Doesn't prove anything, except that it's strange that I hadn't see that part before. Luke may have had more than one reason to note the story of the eunuch's conversion.

    If time sequence is accurate, Saul was next to find Jesus.

    All of this may mean nothing, but a heightened awareness of individuals different than myself has contributed to my seeing things differently. Perspective? That sensitivity began several years ago when I met a believer eunuch, who admitted struggling with sexual identity in the church.

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    The section of OT scripture that the Eunuch was reading also says that those who have been castrated cannot be accepted by God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Erickson View Post
    The section of OT scripture that the Eunuch was reading also says that those who have been castrated cannot be accepted by God.
    Isn't Isaiah 56:3-5 inviting eunuchs to be part of God's kingdom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Morrison View Post
    Isn't Isaiah 56:3-5 inviting eunuchs to be part of God's kingdom?

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    Its really a nice passage isn't it.
    Isaiah 56:3-5
    New International Version (NIV)
    3 Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say,
    “The Lord will surely exclude me from his people.”
    And let no eunuch complain,
    “I am only a dry tree.”
    4 For this is what the Lord says:

    “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,
    who choose what pleases me
    and hold fast to my covenant —
    5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls
    a memorial and a name
    better than sons and daughters;
    I will give them an everlasting name
    that will endure forever.

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    Todd, you have identified the point of this passage in Acts. I think the point is that he is a eunuch. Up until the eunuch, the gospel is only going out to the Jews, whether full-bred or the half-breed Samaritans. Now in Acts we read about the eunuch, who functions as a departure in the story. The eunuch is not only not Jewish, he is really not Jewish. He is a Gentile, though studying the Scriptures. He is visually certainly not Jewish, as Ethiopian is a code word for dark-skinned. He is also a eunuch, and Deut. 23:1 is explicit that no eunuch can participate as a part of Israel.

    The eunuch is 0 for 3. The eunuch is hopelessly outcast. With the eunuch, there is certainly a change. At the end of the Stephen stoning, we have this quick reference to Paul, then we have the eunuch, and then the commission of Paul to reach all of the eunuchs out there. This is how Acts works.
    On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Ward View Post
    Todd, you have identified the point of this passage in Acts. I think the point is that he is a eunuch. Up until the eunuch, the gospel is only going out to the Jews, whether full-bred or the half-breed Samaritans. Now in Acts we read about the eunuch, who functions as a departure in the story. The eunuch is not only not Jewish, he is really not Jewish. He is a Gentile, though studying the Scriptures. He is visually certainly not Jewish, as Ethiopian is a code word for dark-skinned. He is also a eunuch, and Deut. 23:1 is explicit that no eunuch can participate as a part of Israel.

    The eunuch is 0 for 3. The eunuch is hopelessly outcast. With the eunuch, there is certainly a change. At the end of the Stephen stoning, we have this quick reference to Paul, then we have the eunuch, and then the commission of Paul to reach all of the eunuchs out there. This is how Acts works.
    Yep, preached it yesterday. This is the love of God going out the those that are WAY outside our comfort zone. - It is a lot like living in a post Christian world. Reaching folks that really, really don't fit the Conservative evangelical comfort zone. I used it to challenge my church toward multicultural church. Folks that are way different from us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Ward View Post
    Todd, you have identified the point of this passage in Acts. I think the point is that he is a eunuch. Up until the eunuch, the gospel is only going out to the Jews, whether full-bred or the half-breed Samaritans. Now in Acts we read about the eunuch, who functions as a departure in the story. The eunuch is not only not Jewish, he is really not Jewish. He is a Gentile, though studying the Scriptures. He is visually certainly not Jewish, as Ethiopian is a code word for dark-skinned. He is also a eunuch, and Deut. 23:1 is explicit that no eunuch can participate as a part of Israel.

    The eunuch is 0 for 3. The eunuch is hopelessly outcast. With the eunuch, there is certainly a change. At the end of the Stephen stoning, we have this quick reference to Paul, then we have the eunuch, and then the commission of Paul to reach all of the eunuchs out there. This is how Acts works.
    Yes. The Ethiopian eunuch could not have been a Jew in good standing, even if he wanted to be. In 1st century Judaism, he would be permanently cursed and/or unclean.
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us wthout end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
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    I listened to the sermon Scott Daniels preached this week on the passage - he mentioned something I hadn't thought about before. The Eunuch was on the road returning to Africa. Likely, since he had an interest in Hebrew scripture and was studying it, he may have tried to enter the Temple in Jerusalem to learn more - and been denied for all of the exclusive reasons listed above.

    This take it up a level - not just someone normally excluded from God's people, but one who had immediately prior been excluded.
    ...just my $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Scott View Post
    I listened to the sermon Scott Daniels preached this week on the passage - he mentioned something I hadn't thought about before. The Eunuch was on the road returning to Africa. Likely, since he had an interest in Hebrew scripture and was studying it, he may have tried to enter the Temple in Jerusalem to learn more - and been denied for all of the exclusive reasons listed above.

    This take it up a level - not just someone normally excluded from God's people, but one who had immediately prior been excluded.
    Make that the #1 worst job in the temple... The guy who was had to perform the genital check at the temple door.
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us wthout end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
    - C.S. Lewis

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    Make that the #1 worst job in the temple... The guy who was had to perform the genital check at the temple door.
    Ah.... you just ruined my whole image of the temple.... Auuuugggggghhhhh!
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    A line from Blazing Saddles just darted through my head. Sorry, I have to go to the altar now.
    On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Ward View Post
    A line from Blazing Saddles just darted through my head. Sorry, I have to go to the altar now.
    Pray for me too while you are there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Ward View Post
    A line from Blazing Saddles just darted through my head. Sorry, I have to go to the altar now.
    Never watched the movie, as we heard it had a bad reputation before ever even hearing much about it. Probably would not have been high on my "movies to watch" list, anyway, being a western-sounding one from its title.

    Must be quite some line, requiring an altar trip!
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    Dennis preaches ... people respond with prayer at the altar. Perhaps the best outcome I have seen on NAZNET.
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    And that Eunuch was the start of the Coptic church in Africa.

    Ah, that we would seek to judge others by their fruit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Cox View Post
    Make that the #1 worst job in the temple... The guy who was had to perform the genital check at the temple door.
    At least they were able to continue in their chosen trade after converting to Christianity.

    Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
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    Not knowing much about eunuchs I went to Wiki. I had heard about the castrated males, and also that it was a term for certain officials. Seems that they became the officials due to their status as eunuchs. The article got me to thinking about transgender, especially male to female (I spend a lot of time with the trans community). So as I read on I saw this

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiki
    Non-castrated eunuchs

    According to Byzantine historian Kathryn Ringrose,[51] while the pagans of Classical Antiquity based their notions of gender in general and eunuchs in particular on physiology (the genitalia), the Byzantine Christians based them on behaviour and more specifically procreation. Hence, by Late Antiquity the term "eunuch" had come to be applied not only to castrated men, but also to a wide range of men with comparable behavior, who had "chosen to withdraw from worldly activities and thus refused to procreate".[52] The broad sense of the term "eunuch" is reflected in the compendium of Roman law created by Justinian I in the 6th century known as the Digest or Pandects. That text distinguishes between two types of eunuchs – spadones (a general term denoting "one who has no generative power, an impotent person, whether by nature or by castration",[53] D 50.16.128) and castrati (castrated males, physically incapable of procreation). Spadones are eligible to marry women (D 23.3.39.1), institute posthumous heirs (D 28.2.6), and adopt children (Institutions of Justinian 1.11.9), unless they are castrati.

    [edit]Eunuchs in the contemporary world

    The hijra of India (see above) may number as many as 2,000,000,[54] and are usually described as eunuchs, although they may be closer to male-to-female transsexual people, but have surgical castration instead of reassignment surgery, and seldom have access to hormones. The loss of testosterone and lack of estrogen means their bodies take on the characteristics of post-pubertal eunuchs.
    The most commonly castrated men are advanced prostate cancer patients. In the United States alone there are more than 200,000 new cases of prostate cancer diagnosed each year. It is estimated that over 80,000 of these men will be surgically or chemically castrated within six months of diagnosis.[55] With the average life expectancy after castration, there are approximately a half million chemically or surgically castrated prostate cancer patients at any time in the U.S. alone.[citation needed] While most of these men would deny the term "eunuch," they meet all physiological characteristics of post-pubertal eunuchs. Some do, however, embrace the term for the historic and psychological grounding that it gives them.[56][57]
    Convicted sex offenders who have been castrated are rare; although there is debate as to whether the drastic reduction of testosterone and the consequent diminishing of libido might have an effect on recidivism.[58]
    The most common group that actually embraces the term "eunuch" are the contemporary voluntary eunuchs, who number 7,000 to 10,000 in North America, with many more around the world.[59][60][61] Many of these are males who have a Male-to-Eunuch Gender Dysphoria. While they are born with male genitalia, their brain tells them that they are not male, but neither are they female. They seek castration to align their bodies with their brain sex. A second large group of the contemporary eunuchs have a Body Integrity Identity Disorder. This occurs when the brain does not accept the presence of some specific body part.
    Just wondering, aloud, if there is a connection.
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    The Eunuch whether everything was in place or not was most likely a Jewish a scholar and well traveled. I can see that he was a man of prestige and travelling in caravan. Upon conversion he most likely had do deal with a whirlwind of change and perhaps had to leave his affluent office to begin spreading the message of Christ. Perhaps this is also a message of changed life directions and sacrifice and not only of multiculturalism and inclusion (which is a great message and not denied). Perhaps he surrendered a lot like Saul of Tarsus.

    I revisited Ethiopia in 2010 with my family and there was much said about about the legend of Queen of Sheba's encounter with King Saul - In Ethiopia, this not considered "legend" but fact. More here about Ethiopian Jews from this website:

    http://sheba.org.il/history.php



    "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia I will bring My worshippers, the daughter of My dispersed ones and they shall bring My offering."
    - Zeph. 3:10
    Facts

    History of Ethiopian Jews

    Queen of Sheba
    Ethiopia has a unique and long-standing relationship with Israel, much of which is recorded in the pages of the Bible.

    Moses married an Ethiopian wife (Numbers 12:1).
    An Ethiopian traveled to Jerusalem to worship and is discovered reading the Jewish Scriptures (Acts 8:27).
    Between these two events, Ethiopian Jewish communities emerged, but little is known of their origin. Four main theories exist:

    Visit of the Queen of Sheba (Cush) to King Solomon of Israel (1 Kings 10:1-13). This tradition, favored by Ethiopian Jews, states that a son, Menelik, was born to Solomon and Sheba, through whom all Ethiopian Jews descended.
    From Ethiopia to Israel
    Jews fled the Babylonian exile during the destruction of the first Temple in 586 B.C.E. (2 Kings 25). They would have traveled to Egypt, then down the Nile River, eventually settling in the hills of Gondar and Tigray, where they remained hidden for centuries.
    Jews who traveled from the Arabian peninsula (near Yemen) to the Horn of Africa (Ethiopia) and established new Jewish communities.
    The lost tribe of Dan.
    Throughout the centuries, they suffered much persecution at the hands of traditional Christians and Muslims. Yet, they remained the oldest Diaspora community practicing Torah Jewish observance, pre-dating modern Rabbinic Judaism. Their greatest desire throughout the generations was to return to Jerusalem.
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    No. Acts 8 does not describe a prostate cancer patient, a devotee of sexual assignment surgery, or one with a Body Identity Disorder. Can we stay in the first century here?
    On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis M. Scott View Post
    It is a little awkward for me to admit that I never really looked at the OT scripture the eunuch was reading. I always pretty much thought it was just an OT reference to Jesus being the sacrificial lamb.
    About seven years ago I was given some great advise, "Anytime an Old Testament scripture is quoted in the New Testament, go to the Old Testament scripture and read three or four chapters before and after the quote." ~ RVL

    This advise forever changed the way I read the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch. In 2007 I wrote about the Eunuch and the following year, when I spoke at a women's conference I shared the Eunuch's story...how he began his story as an excluded outcast yet at the end, there was nothing to prevent him from being baptized.

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    He had been to Jerusalem, to worship, and he was on his way home. What had happened to him there... and what was he feeling now? There was nothing more important than ascending the holy hill and worshipping in the temple. I wonder what he felt, as he stood outside the gate unable to enter? Was he watching the crowd? Was he watching the fathers with their sons? There was no greater purpose for a man than to have a son...many sons...to carry on his name and inheritance...Seth-son of Adam, Shem-son of Noah, Isaac-son of Abraham, David-son of Jesse...but he knew his name would die with him.

    He was not allowed to enter the temple, not even the outer court of the Gentiles. He was defiled. Sometime, earlier in his life, he had been violated. He had been castrated, emasculated, his testicles had been cut off. The very thing that made him a "man" had been taken away and he would never be the same again. His body did not mature like other men his age. His muscles were softer...his hips were rounder...his voice was higher...his breasts were fuller. He was a eunuch...a dry tree. "No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the LORD." Deuteronomy 23:1

    He was on the outside...looking in. To die without descendants was considered the greatest tragedy for a man. That was him, the barren man...the one who would never have a son. How did he feel as he stood outside the gate and watched them all enter? Did his heart yearn to go in with them? Did his soul ache for what had been taken from him? Did he long to hear the Torah read...its words explained by the rabbi? That would never happen. He could never bring an offering or a sacrifice...he could never be part of the assembly.

    And now he was on his way home, reading the text, the words of the prophet Isaiah...trying to figure them out on his own. The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. In his humiliation he was deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth." (Acts 8:32-33) That's where he stopped...right there. It felt so familiar to him ~ "In his humiliation he was deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth." The man the eunuch was reading about had died childless...no descendants...in humiliation...just like the eunuch was going to one day. Who was this man the text was speaking of? Was it the prophet Isaiah...or was Isaiah writing about someone else? Who was this one that died in such a tragic way?

    Can you only imagine what it must have been like for him...on the outside...no children...emasculated...no one to explain the scriptures to him. The party, with all its warmth was going on inside...and he was out on the cold porch...looking in...his nosed pressed to glass...alone in the darkness.

    God saw him...sent an angel to a man named Philip...told Philip exactly what road to take...to intercept the eunuch. The eunuch had been seeking God...but he didn't know that God was also seeking him. Haven't you ever wondered about this story in Acts? Why an angel for just this one man? Read the New Testament...this is unusual...it's not an everyday experience. He wasn't the apostle Paul, or Peter...or John the beloved...he was a castrated man...on his way home. The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?" Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus. (Acts 8:34-35) Philip began with that very passage of Scripture...right there...Isaiah 53:8...he died with no descendants. What did the eunuch think when he heard this passage and was told about Jesus. Jesus, who was loved by God who died humiliated and childless just like the man in Isaiah. The man had done no wrong and he never deceived anyone. He was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave. But it was the LORD's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief.

    Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD's plan will prosper in his hands. Isaiah 53:9-10 New Living Translation

    Can you see the puzzled look on the eunuch's face as he heard that the one he had been reading about...the one who died without descendants...would have a multitude of children...many heirs? How could that be? He had no way of knowing that he, himself was about to become an heir.

    "When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners." Isaiah 53:11-12 New Living Translation

    This man... would bear people's sins...and people would be counted righteous. The eunuch had never been allowed to bring a sacrifice to the temple for himself...is it possible that someone did it for him?

    "Sing, O childless woman! Break forth into loud and joyful song, O Jerusalem, even though you never gave birth to a child. For the woman who could bear no children now has more than all the other women," says the LORD.

    Enlarge your house; build an addition; spread out your home!

    For you will soon be bursting at the seams. Your descendants will take over other nations and live in their cities.

    Fear not; you will no longer live in shame. The shame of your youth and the sorrows of widowhood will be remembered no more, Isaiah 54:1-4

    If there was hope for the barren woman...could there be hope for him? Did his heart begin to beat just a little bit faster as Philip continued reading. We tend to be people of verses...in Jesus' day...they were people of passages...multiple chapters were read at one time. I am convinced that Philip continued reading. Why? Because there was a special message waiting for the eunuch...right down the pages of the text.

    Read along...look through the eunuch's eyes...hear the words. I know the passage seems long to some of us ...but not to the eunuch...he was hearing the words...they were reaching out to him...offering him food for his soul...offering to make a covenant with him...the dry tree...offering him love...offering to lift his shame.

    Is anyone thirsty? Come and drink — even if you have no money! Come, take your choice of wine or milk — it's all free! Why spend your money on food that does not give you strength? Why pay for food that does you no good? Listen, and I will tell you where to get food that is good for the soul!

    Come to me with your ears wide open. Listen, for the life of your soul is at stake. I am ready to make an everlasting covenant with you. I will give you all the mercies and unfailing love that I promised to David... Isaiah 55:1-3

    My thoughts are completely different from yours," says the LORD. "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts

    The rain and snow come down from the heavens and stay on the ground to water the earth. They cause the grain to grow, producing seed for the farmer and bread for the hungry. It is the same with my word. I send it out, and it always produces fruit. It will accomplish all I want it to, and it will prosper everywhere I send it.
    You will live in joy and peace. The mountains and hills will burst into song, and the trees of the field will clap their hands! Where once there were thorns, cypress trees will grow. Where briers grew, myrtles will sprout up. This miracle will bring great honor to the LORD's name; it will be an everlasting sign of his power and love.

    "Be just and fair to all," says the LORD. "Do what is right and good, for I am coming soon to rescue you. Blessed are those who are careful to do this. Blessed are those who honor my Sabbath days of rest by refusing to work. And blessed are those who keep themselves from doing wrong." Isaiah 55:4-13, 56:1-2 NLT

    Here it comes...the passage just for him...Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people." And let not any eunuch complain, "I am only a dry tree."

    Can't you see the look on the eunuch's face? Can't you see Philip stop speaking for just a moment...and turn with joy in his eyes...to face the eunuch...as he prepares to deliver the good news.

    For this is what the LORD says: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant —

    ...to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off. Isaiah 56:3-5

    The eunuch must have been overwhelmed with emotion. He was in. No more standing outside the gate. He was inside...in God's house...within God's walls...no longer on the outside looking in. He was in...on the inside! A memorial (yad - also a euphemism for genitals)...a name...better than sons and daughters! Something no one...I repeat...no one...could ever cut off! As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"

    There was nothing standing in the way of the eunuch being baptized...nothing...he was in...he was no longer defiled...no longer an outcast. He was sought after. And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:36-39

    The eunuch went on his way rejoicing. The God of the Universe had sent him a divine message of salvation! All of this...the angel...Philip...the words of the text...for one castrated man that we never hear about in scripture again! Do you see how awesome that is...doesn't it give you hope...that God sees you too!

    Had anything changed on the outside? No...he was still a eunuch. When he gave his heart to Jesus his testicles did not miraculously grow back. But he was a changed man. He had a hope and a future. He had a promise of restoration...that would be complete and everlasting. He went on his way rejoicing. Many of us have had things "cut off" down through the years. Some of us had our innocence "cut off...we were molested. Some of us have had our trust "cut off"...our spouses were unfaithful. Some of us have had our health "cut off"...we are sick. Some of us have had our descendants "cut off"...we are childless.

    Many of us are lonely...feeling like we are on the outside looking in. Many of us feel like we haven't prayed hard enough...or been good enough...or righteous enough...or holy enough...because we or someone we love hasn't been healed. I don't know all of the answers...but this I do know. I know that we are not passed by...we are sought after.
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    No. Acts 8 does not describe a prostate cancer patient, a devotee of sexual assignment surgery, or one with a Body Identity Disorder. Can we stay in the first century here?
    Probably not.
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    No. Acts 8 does not describe a prostate cancer patient, a devotee of sexual assignment surgery, or one with a Body Identity Disorder. Can we stay in the first century here?
    Only if this in no way applies to us.
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    About seven years ago I was given some great advise, "Anytime an Old Testament scripture is quoted in the New Testament, go to the Old Testament scripture and read three or four chapters before and after the quote." ~ RVL

    This advise forever changed the way I read the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch. In 2007 I wrote about the Eunuch and the following year, when I spoke at a women's conference I shared the Eunuch's story...how he began his story as an excluded outcast yet at the end, there was nothing to prevent him from being baptized.

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    Good stuff Cynthia. What a powerful message of God's love for and acceptance of us. I give it the highest praise one preacher can give to another: "that'll preach!"

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    Beautiful, Cynthia! Thank you for the reminder regarding context. Powerful story I have missed for decades. Do we have permission to use this material?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynthia Prentice View Post
    About seven years ago I was given some great advise, "Anytime an Old Testament scripture is quoted in the New Testament, go to the Old Testament scripture and read three or four chapters before and after the quote." ~ RVL

    This advise forever changed the way I read the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch. In 2007 I wrote about the Eunuch and the following year, when I spoke at a women's conference I shared the Eunuch's story...how he began his story as an excluded outcast yet at the end, there was nothing to prevent him from being baptized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynthia Prentice View Post
    About seven years ago I was given some great advise, "Anytime an Old Testament scripture is quoted in the New Testament, go to the Old Testament scripture and read three or four chapters before and after the quote." ~ RVL

    This advise forever changed the way I read the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch. In 2007 I wrote about the Eunuch and the following year, when I spoke at a women's conference I shared the Eunuch's story...how he began his story as an excluded outcast yet at the end, there was nothing to prevent him from being baptized.

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    Beautiful, Cynthia! Thank you for the reminder regarding context. Powerful story I have missed for decades. Do we have permission to use this material?
    Dennis, I feel humbled that you would ask...absolutely, use it however you like.
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    Dennis, I feel humbled that you would ask...absolutely, use it however you like.
    If I use it at my present assignment, it will be heard by about six people, so don't feel too humbled. I'll do that part.
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    If I use it at my present assignment, it will be heard by about six people, so don't feel too humbled. I'll do that part.
    We are walking that same humble path right now...what a learning experience. I asked Paul how many sermons he had heard on the topic of "Pentecost and 3,000 added in a day"...he said lots. Then I asked him how many sermons he had heard on, "How to shrink your congregation to 12 in a day"...he said none.

    "On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria. 2 Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him." Acts 8:1-2

    Yet it was this dramatic reduction of the church, leaving only the twelve in Jerusalem, that allowed Philip to be brought to the Ethiopian Eunuch. Somehow in the midst of the craziness God is working...we will lift you guys up...and keep us in your prayers.

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    And that Eunuch was the start of the Coptic church in Africa.

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    No. Acts 8 does not describe a prostate cancer patient, a devotee of sexual assignment surgery, or one with a Body Identity Disorder. Can we stay in the first century here?
    Well...... do we know the reasons people were eunuchs in the 1st Century? I say this because some eunuchs may have been so specifically because they, in some way, had gender identity issues akin to what a transvestite might have today. It's entirely possible - I wouldn't know one way or another. Naturally Acts 8 wouldn't know or communicate this.
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    Well...... do we know the reasons people were eunuchs in the 1st Century? I say this because some eunuchs may have been so specifically because they, in some way, had gender identity issues akin to what a transvestite might have today. It's entirely possible - I wouldn't know one way or another. Naturally Acts 8 wouldn't know or communicate this.
    But could Acts 8 and Isaiah 56 be communicating this?
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    This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. 29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”

    I think the story reflects a man who had faith in God and one who pleased God. (Like Cornelius) God sent the new message of salvation (at that time) to him and he received it with joy.

    If I were to speculate I would think his condition (eunuch) was a result or requirement of a man being in a Queens inner circle. (frequent close contact with the queen)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Burch View Post
    Well...... do we know the reasons people were eunuchs in the 1st Century? I say this because some eunuchs may have been so specifically because they, in some way, had gender identity issues akin to what a transvestite might have today. It's entirely possible - I wouldn't know one way or another. Naturally Acts 8 wouldn't know or communicate this.
    IMO this sounds like a case of taking our culture and imposing it on another and supposing that we would find same meanings. I think Randy's proposal comes closer to the reason this man is a eunuch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Bemis View Post
    IMO this sounds like a case of taking our culture and imposing it on another and supposing that we would find same meanings. I think Randy's proposal comes closer to the reason this man is a eunuch.
    You may be correct. By the same principle, you and I might also be a little culture centric to think that our current Western "culture" is superimposing something new on cultures that didn't/don't have similar occurrences. I have no reason to think that Randy's speculation is far fetched, however.

    It is at least interesting that in a culture that for a few decades at least or oral transmission of Jesus' life and message, the mention of eunuchs was included. It seems almost more "matter of fact" knowledge, than in our day.

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    You may be correct. By the same principle, you and I might also be a little culture centric to think that our current Western "culture" is superimposing something new on cultures that didn't/don't have similar occurrences. I have no reason to think that Randy's speculation is far fetched, however.

    It is at least interesting that in a culture that for a few decades at least or oral transmission of Jesus' life and message, the mention of eunuchs was included. It seems almost more "matter of fact" knowledge, than in our day.
    I don't doubt that I'm cultural centric. Who's not? However, I do think it's a stretch to think that the eunuch mentioned in acts was a transgender individual with gender identity issues.
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    I don't doubt that I'm cultural centric. Who's not? However, I do think it's a stretch to think that the eunuch mentioned in acts was a transgender individual with gender identity issues.
    Why? I doubt that they would have used our terminology as that is a recent development. However, many cultures throughout the world, with the seeming exception of the West, has had people of this third way and these cultures had words for them. They were considered neither male nor female, but what ever word that culture used. The Wiki article on eunuch states that the Byzantine church in the early centuries CE recognized men that acted like those men who were castrati, but were themselves not castrati and called them eunuchs too. This is suggestive of our modern terms of transgender or gay. All this to say that while the current terminology and thinking is recent the phenomena is ancient and pan-cultural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Wise View Post
    This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, 28 and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. 29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”

    I think the story reflects a man who had faith in God and one who pleased God. (Like Cornelius) God sent the new message of salvation (at that time) to him and he received it with joy.

    If I were to speculate I would think his condition (eunuch) was a result or requirement of a man being in a Queens inner circle. (frequent close contact with the queen)
    Why he was a eunuch is secondary to the fact that he was a eunuch, and as such was forever barred from the Jewish religion.
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    Why he was a eunuch is secondary to the fact that he was a eunuch, and as such was forever barred from the Jewish religion.
    Agreed, and even more important is the fact that it did not ban him from becoming a believer in Jesus, and being baptized. Mostly in churches today one has to be either one man or one woman to become a member.
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    Why he was a eunuch is secondary to the fact that he was a eunuch, and as such was forever barred from the Jewish religion.
    Except that God seems to have reversed that ban on eunuchs participating in worship in Isaiah 56:4-5

    4 For thus says the Lord:
    To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths,
    who choose the things that please me
    and hold fast my covenant,
    5 I will give, in my house and within my walls,
    a monument and a name
    better than sons and daughters;
    I will give them an everlasting name
    that shall not be cut off.

    Now i don't think the Temple guardians were any better at welcoming eunuchs than they were foreigners as God required in other parts of Isaiah 56.
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