Singing

[Gary Creely]

how you think you sound-



How you actually sound-

[Jim Chabot]

Ouch!

[Cam Pence]

One of my favorites...hard to believe that guy "wore imout "

[Herb Newell]

OUCH!!! From the sublime to the ridiculous.

[Dana Grant]

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

My ears hurt.

[Gina Stevenson]

Ooooooh, nooooOOOOOO! That hurts, where's the volume button ... QUICK!

He sung ~~ er, attempted to/squealed ~~ inbetween the cracks, in how many keys ... and non-keys!
Ouch!

[Dana Grant]

Is the pianist as tone deaf as the singer?

Is the audience as tone deaf as the singer?

[Gina Stevenson]

Dana, was wondering if they were cheering as much at the end for his being done as for how he had done? Were I there, that is what it would have been, for sure! As gleeful as he seemed, he for sure would have misunderstood that cheering. But then, too, they may be benevolent, only wanting to "support" the fella.

As for the pianist, being one, I have endured some accompaniment times when it was definitely hard to keep my composure. You run into all kinds, for sure! Still remember in particular one hard-to-accompany person who felt special, methinks, due to their being the kid of someone "very important in the cotn."

Then too, on the other hand, there have been those times where a bit of vocal coaching was allowed, making for a fruitful practice, and improved listening quality.

Yes, pianists sometimes just endure ... a part of the "job."

[Greg Farra]

I think the world's worst singer is a staged video. I don't think he is clueless to how he sounds.

[Jim Chabot]

I think the world's worst singer is a staged video. I don't think he is clueless to how he sounds.

I sure hope so. While we probably know folks where this could be true, I would hate to think that someone would intentionally ridicule someone this way.

[Jim Chabot]

Ooooooh, nooooOOOOOO! That hurts, where's the volume button ... QUICK!

He sung ~~ er, attempted to/squealed ~~ inbetween the cracks, in how many keys ... and non-keys!
Ouch!

Oh Gina, think way back to music theory classes. Those aren't non-keys, he was displaying an incredibly complex form of vocal arrangement as he effortlessly drifted in and our of modal keys. Somehow the pianist either couldn't follow him, or had the good sense not to try.

[Greg Gates]

I don't think the first video is much better... How many helium tanks do you think it takes to do that song?

[Dana Grant]

I don't think the first video is much better... How many helium tanks do you think it takes to do that song?

HA HA HA -- he's on pitch, which helps. At least he's got that going for him!!!

[Cam Pence]

I sure hope so. While we probably know folks where this could be true, I would hate to think that someone would intentionally ridicule someone this way.

I don't know. My guess is he has "American Idol" syndrome. Notice how the room exploded with appaulse and praise of hos performance when he was done. It is much like the person who can't sing a lick yet has a loving parent who tells them there whole life that they have a beautiful voice. When the judges tells that person its just not there, they refuse to accept it. I don't think anyone has told this gentleman its just not there. Ky guess is Brian Free did sing with him and told him he wore him out to be nice, in much the same way he might have said that to a 5 year old. If you combine all that with the fact that I am willing to bet he gets monsterous applause when ever he sings, I don't think it is too far fetched to believe he really thinks there is talent there. This can only lead me to ask one question: What the heck is wrong with Baptists?

[Gary Creely]

I actually do think this is staged to some degree. I think it was an empty sanctuary, and the applause are clearly a track. The truth does remain that churches will encourage folks to sing (and other things) when it is clearly not their gift.

[John Dahl]

I actually do think this is staged to some degree. I think it was an empty sanctuary, and the applause are clearly a track. The truth does remain that churches will encourage folks to sing (and other things) when it is clearly not their gift.

Is the gift the activity, which in this case is singing, or is the gift the desire to praise? I'm thankful that I attend a church where anybody that wants to praise their Lord are allowed a stage, if you will, to do so. Are there times we inwardly grimace through? Of course there are, but I look at the want to of the heart and receive a blessing.

It is kind of like those instances when we keep on encouraging those preachers who don't appear to, as you would say, have the gift.

[Gary Creely]

Is the gift the activity, which in this case is singing, or is the gift the desire to praise? I'm thankful that I attend a church where anybody that wants to praise their Lord are allowed a stage, if you will, to do so. Are there times we inwardly grimace through? Of course there are, but I look at the want to of the heart and receive a blessing.

It is kind of like those instances when we keep on encouraging those preachers who don't appear to, as you would say, have the gift.

Interesting thought. The question becomes what is the purpose of singing in the church, or the role of the singer. Is it so they can praise the Lord primarily, or is it so they can while praising the Lord lead the congregation along with them in the doing. I would submit it is the later. By putting people in roles they are not suited is not a way to serve the church, the people, or the Lord well.

It is kind of like those instances when we keep on encouraging those preachers who don't appear to, as you would say, have the gift.

Often having the "gift" is an observation that some make more based on wether we like the person rather than any measure of gifting. Personally, if I did not feel called and equipped to be a pastor I could find easier ways to make a living.

[Craig Laughlin]

I actually do think this is staged to some degree. I think it was an empty sanctuary, and the applause are clearly a track. The truth does remain that churches will encourage folks to sing (and other things) when it is clearly not their gift.

I hope this was staged. If not it is cruel.

I think churches mean well when they encourage folks who can not sing or do other things (Including preaching) but in the end they set them up for failure and often embarrassment. Speaking the truth in love is sound Biblical advice. Not only do we set these folks up for failure but because they give their energy to things not their gift they also miss out on the blessing that comes from exercising their gift in the body. I know, all my life I wanted to be a great singer and musician. My dream job is worship leader in a church. I play the piano well and I sing on key and parts by ear but I don't have "that voice" one needs to solo. Turns out my real gifting is Lead Pastor. I would be a much better today if I had recognized my gifts earlier and spent less time trying to be someone I was not.

BTW - I would never let a rookie preach without sitting down before to help them and after to evaluate.

[Jim Chabot]

Interesting thought. The question becomes what is the purpose of singing in the church, or the role of the singer. Is it so they can praise the Lord primarily, or is it so they can while praising the Lord lead the congregation along with them in the doing. I would submit it is the later. By putting people in roles they are not suited is not a way to serve the church, the people, or the Lord well.

I believe that the purpose is dual. Music in the church is first and foremost ministry, and well performed music gives us a greater possibility to minister. So yes we must strive for excellence, we must choose carefully the songs we will ask the congregation to sing with us as to how the words will speak to them, and yet also in how we arrange the progression musically to bring about the state of mind that will see and feel the words as they sing. Personally whenever I sing a special, I take great pain in how I "interpret" the song, I want the inflection and timing to emotionally convey the same message as I see the words portray. I want folks to "get it". So from this end, yes, quality is very important as is the ability and gifting needed.

But there is always the other hand, and it is important. It is crucial that we allow folks to speak their heart through song, and it's rewarding, it is tactile feedback from the ministry that extends outward to them. We need and should greatly appreciate hearing this feedback. Of course we should coach, guide and do everything we can to help these folks do a good job. Our aim isn't to be cruel, rather to lovingly bring people along. But never should we tell someone that they aren't quite ready, we love them and we want to hear what is on their hearts. We also want to let visitors and newcomers know that we are a family, our message to them should be a vision of how we love each other rather than a demonstration of quality stage craft. One of the things that I have enjoyed the most in my little corner of the church is that of encouraging folks who lack ability and confidence. Hey, sometimes we need to play the track just a little louder than the voice to keep them on pitch and mask some errors. I've even found a couple of effect hat use phasing and pitch shifting, that will work wonders with someone who has left their "key" on the nightstand. We do whatever we can to help and encourage, and I've been blessed both by hearing them share and I've blessed to watch some young people turn into pretty good singers. Brings tears of joy to the eyes, and that's as good as it gets.

[Jim Chabot]

I actually do think this is staged to some degree. I think it was an empty sanctuary, and the applause are clearly a track. The truth does remain that churches will encourage folks to sing (and other things) when it is clearly not their gift.

In the beginning the video show some heads in the audience, your right about the applause track for sure.

Maybe a youth pastor goofing off with his tribe for a joke? Pretty good representation of what falsetto sounds like without training.

[Gary Creely]

Here is an other fun version of this song, listen carefully towards the end to the bass and the steel guitar- really good-

[Greg Farra]

All I know is that if I sang the song, the guy would have to give the title to me.

[Jim Chabot]

[QUOTE=Gary Creely;138084]Here is an other fun version of this song, listen carefully towards the end to the bass and the steel guitar- really good-

Yeah! Watching that made me think of all the great ones that have gone on to glory! Vestal, Rusty, Sam, Howard and Johnny Cook, man oh man he was a tenor for sure!

Crazy steel guitar stuff at the end!

Hey I can make a post just like your first one!

How I wish I sounded;



And man, oh man, I've got a long, long ways to go. Completely missed the Eb near the end of the second verse.

[Susan Unger]

Here is an other fun version of this song, listen carefully towards the end to the bass and the steel guitar- really good-

oh my....what high pitches. Ow! ow! ow!!!

[Gina Stevenson]

Here is an other fun version of this song, listen carefully towards the end to the bass and the steel guitar- really good-

Forget the guys there ...

Good ole Vestal ... quite a voice, that gal had!

ETA: Craig, tho't I would mention your "truth in love" idea is not always such a bad thing ... denial can run verrry deep sometimes. We can at least perhaps help those for whom help will be beneficial that way.