Is Death the Consequence of Sin?

[Ian Gentles]

I said "Yes" as thats what Bible teaches. Do I think its fair....often No. Some could say, "But wait a minet what chance did I have, born cursed by sin?". In end I have to settle for...God is just.

[Todd Erickson]

I said "Yes" as thats what Bible teaches. Do I think its fair....often No. Some could say, "But wait a minet what chance did I have, born cursed by sin?". In end I have to settle for...God is just.

There's nothing to indicate that death happened as a result of God doing something to us after sin. It's the result of sin, and God, who is just, is trying to rescue creation from Sin. There's a definite difference in focus there.

[Pete Vecchi]

There's nothing to indicate that death happened as a result of God doing something to us after sin. It's the result of sin, and God, who is just, is trying to rescue creation from Sin. There's a definite difference in focus there.

I'm not sure that Ian was saying that God "did something to us". I think he's simply saying that it can look unfair to say that the consequence of sin has been passed down to us even though we didn't take part in the first act--kind of like saying that if someone's great-great grandfather was a horse thief, the great-great grandchild shouldn't be trusted to drive someone else's car.

I know that is NOT how original sin works, but it can certainly seem to have that appearance if not understood properly.

[Ian Gentles]

There's nothing to indicate that death happened as a result of God doing something to us after sin. It's the result of sin, and God, who is just, is trying to rescue creation from Sin. There's a definite difference in focus there.

What i meant is it can seem soo unfair that we suffer because of Adams sin. We didnt ask to be born, to be born in sin, seems deck was stacked against us. But I simply have to trust that God is just.

[Paul DeBaufer]

What i meant is it can seem soo unfair that we suffer because of Adams sin. We didnt ask to be born, to be born in sin, seems deck was stacked against us. But I simply have to trust that God is just.

But doesn't there come a time in the life of each of us when we commit Adam's sin?

[Ian Gentles]

But doesn't there come a time in the life of each of us when we commit Adam's sin?

This all depends on one's view. If we are born in sin we autmaticaly sin, are sinners. Also we are born to die, even before we can sin, because of Adams sin. I'm very orthodox in my beleifs, theology. I beleive God is just, and that Christ paid the price of Gods justice requierments for us. But many will still wonder, hey why have I to suffer because of someone I never met?...Adam!

[Steven Burton]

I'm very orthodox in my beleifs, theology.

What do you mean by this? From everything I read on other forums orthodox can cover a range of beliefs. I could disagree with you and still be with in orthodoxy.

[Ian Gentles]

What do you mean by this? From everything I read on other forums orthodox can cover a range of beliefs. I could disagree with you and still be with in orthodoxy.

Lets just say, I'm conservative evengelical, not fundementalist. Hope that helps?

[Steven Burton]

Lets just say, I'm conservative evengelical, not fundementalist. Hope that helps?

Not really, since I'm not quite sure what people mean by conservative evangelical. Is there a liberal evangelical I seem to have heard those two words don't really mix at all and are starting to believe it.

[George Wallace]

Not really, since I'm not quite sure what people mean by conservative evangelical. Is there a liberal evangelical I seem to have heard those two words don't really mix at all and are starting to believe it.

Here ya go!

http://www.liberalevangelical.org/

http://evangelicaliberal.wordpress.com/

The amazing true story of the liberal evangelical

I am a Liberal Evangelical

2 minutes and Google and one can discover the wonder of wonders.

[Todd Erickson]

Conservative tends to have more to do with how literally you take the bible and our traditions about it than any political bent. Liberals tend to be much looser about the overall specificity of the bible, and much more hardline on what we're supposed to be doing (i.e., social justice, etc.) But it's actually incredibly difficult to be more specific than that; everybody's begun to have their own definitions for the words, and the old standards no longer hold as well as they used to. That's what happens when you get to a point where almost nobody is a moderate anymore.

[Ian Gentles]

Not really, since I'm not quite sure what people mean by conservative evangelical. Is there a liberal evangelical I seem to have heard those two words don't really mix at all and are starting to believe it.

OK, I'm a Scottish evengelical exiled in England.