OK who are your top front runners . Who do you pick if you had to choose today?
For me its Geno whats his name West somewhere U !
OK who are your top front runners . Who do you pick if you had to choose today?
For me its Geno whats his name West somewhere U !
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I knew they gave out a Heisman trophy, but I was unaware that a watch went with it. I assume it's a Rolex?
First several times I read the title of this thread, I thought you might have acquired one.
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I am watching DeAnthony Thomas from Oregon. He is extremely explosive in a very potent offense. I would also keep my eye on running back Kenjon Barner from Oregon, both are putting up great numbers and their teams are winning. But I don't think the Heisman will go to either. Matt Barkley has a chance, but he needs to make a run in the next half of the season and show a little more poise in close games.
Did not Geno Smith pull one out on Texas last Saturday for West Virginia? Looking like the front runner at this point in the season.
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If Geno keeps up his current pace (a ridiculous amount of TDs and ZERO interceptions) it will be virtually impossible to argue anyone over him. His TD:INT ratio is just insane!
His current stat line includes an 81.8% completed passes, 24 TDs and 0 INTs. It should be noted that only 1 of his TDs this season has been of the rushing variety- he's done almost all of it with his arm. (Only 65 yards rushing.) That's old school QB work there.
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I've been on record as I absolutely hate this Play Station spread nonsense and continue to maintain that a strong defense with a very good ball control pro style attack will beat it 90% of the time.
I most hate that the whole point is to take defensive substitution out of the game plan. It's just trying to gain numbers advantages and nothing more than tricks in my book. Hate it.
That said, Geno Smith looks impressive. I think South Carolina or Alabama would beat them like a rented mule though. As a Bama fan I'd salivate at the possibility of playing Oregon or West Virginia should we make it back to the title game. Auburn showed what a big fast defense could do against it 2 years ago, and they were a bottom tier SEC defense.
I'd vote for AJ McCarron fully acknowledging being a homer may have something to do with that. He won't have the numbers to win it.
I'd love to see Lattimore from South Carolina win it. He is a RB that deserves it. Dude never gets negative yards.
Uh Monte,Originally Posted by Monte Butts
The Auburn defense did a great job, but so did Oregon's. Remember, the game came down to a last minute field goal. Right now Oregon's defense is doing extremely well and they are much improved over last year. They also have a huge rotation to keep players fresh.
Why is Nick Saban whining about Oregon's fast paced offense? He's afraid. He didn't come right out and say it, but I guess he wants every team College FB team to huddle, break, line-up and then run a play up the middle. Not going to happen. Oregon will kill you with their no huddle, hurry up offense and quick players that can get an edge before your cornerback can blink. Oh and 4th downs...yeah, Chip Kelley doesn't always go for it on 4th down...oops too late 1st down already happened.
Pshh.....afraid. Whatever. He is pointing out quite legitimately that the defense doesn't have the same opportunity to get personnel on the field. Gary Danielson, who I despise but admit is one of the smarter booth guys in the business said the same thing. and the rules need fixed. Gary said he remembers a number of years back, when teams would huddle 14 players on the field, and then run out 11 and run a quick play. They outlawed that because it wasn't fair. He said with the hash marks being so wide in college football, teams will do the quick substitutions when a play has been run towards the offensive team's side. That is when the offensive teams do the quick subs and run a quick play. They don't do the quick subs when the ball is on the other side of the field. He called this just trickem football and the rules need to be changed.
Alabama will be a 10 point favorite against Oregon. But don't ask me....ask Vegas should it happen.
Sure Oregon did well against Auburn; as I said Auburn was a bottom tier SEC defense that year who had luck on their side (and Cam Newton) to pull out at least 3 games they should have lost.
Difference between Alabama's defense and Oregons: Bama's linemen have the speed of Oregon's ILB's.
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Alabama Offensive Line:
Ed Stinson (DE) 4.67
Damion Square (DE) 4.94
Jesse Williams (NT) 5.04
Oregon Linebackers:
Michael Clay (OLB) 4.78
Kiko Alonso (MLB) 4.88
Boseko Lokombo (OLB) 4.89
On a whole, no...Bama linemen are not as fast as Oregon's LB's. However, apologies and excuses don't need to be made for Alabama or much of SEC football. They are strong, fast, and physical. However, if Oregon and Alabama were paired up in the national title game, then the speed of Alabama's defensive linemen and Oregon's linebackers is irrelevant. I'd be eager to see Kenjon Barner and De'Anthony Thomas (4.39 and 4.36 respectively) try to run away from the tough Alabama defense.
I am going out on a limb here and say that I will be watching defensive end, Jadeveon Clowney, this year. I know it is a stretch, but this guy's presence on the defensive side of the ball makes South Carolina's defense so much better.
I'll also be watching Marcus Lattimore.
Sorry, it is just hard to have college football talk without talking SEC teams and players.
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The rules are not going to stop the no huddle offense and the speed with which these plays are executed after the snap. I doubt the rules can address that issue. The thing with Oregon is they wear you down on multiple fronts. It is not just a hurried "set...hut", they apply speed and efficiency from every angle so they can snap the ball an average of 10 times more than their opponent. When they get more snaps, they win. It's that simple. So the rules can change, that's fine, but that may end up helping Oregon and hurting their opponents. They will simply unleash their talent and speed in other dimensions of the game.
Braxton Miller is shaping up as a legitimate contender. Not the best passer, but that guy can run. He doesn't have a ton of talent to throw to, but if the Nebraska game is an indication, he's going to be throwing to tight ends ala Patriots style. And remeber, Tebow wasn't the greatest passer either and see whatt he did?
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I was ready to give it to Geno before his big game against Baylor. He's going to win it.
What's more, will we be able to stomach West Virginia and K-State as the best teams in the Big-12 - thank God they don't have a championship game anymore. Old school heads would explode.
...just my $.02.
Living in WV, I'm all for the Mountaineers. Yet, I am still a bit skeptical of how they'll do in the Big 12. They haven't encountered a real defense yet. A score of 70 -63 (Baylor) is perhaps just as telling of a bad defense as it is a good offense. 48 to 45 against Texas doesn't do much to clear the muddy water either. I'm hopeful, but still skeptical.
K-State's Collin Klein all the way. And yeah, I could easily stomach K-State as the best team in the Big 12.
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And once again good defense beats spread offenses. Anyone notice what Geno's percentage dropped to against a team that got pressure on him?
Man it hurts to give Tubberville credit for anything
LSU has some crazy good young running backs. I think I counted 3 visor throws by the ol' Head Ball Coach.
Auburn is a dumpster fire right now.
Klein right now would get my vote, but it is still early.
After this week it would be hard to argue with Lori after Collin K and K state rocked WVU at Mountain home. Geno is now a long shot for Heisman. Klein stock is way up. Also looks like Brian's skepticism was well founded. Still glad to see WVU in the B12 - the conference that nearly collapsed is back !
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Less than 24 hours post game, there are many cries and actual petitions circulating calling for the firing/resignation of WVU's defensive coordinator. I've even already heard laments about "the good 'ole days of Rich Rod (certainly not from me)!
The Heisman race seems to change as fast as the top rankings. So Klien stock takes a dip after his poor performance this week and his teams disembowlment at the paws of a bunch of hungry bears (apologies ) . Does Johnny Football take over the top suspect.. who else is in the running. Your predictions.
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Just curious as to what you think of Johnny Football being called on to do an extra point? Was that some kind of Heisman campaigning or was there a reason behind it?
http://1045theteam.com/texas-am-qb-j...a-point-video/
Yes absolutely it was a stunt to let Johnny have some fun. If he had made it... just think of the press it would have gathered. He missed , it was inconsequential, and the press wasn't negative in fact he picked up more press because of the try. it was a really smart move. Too bad for Johnny Football he blew it.
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I'll admit my bias, but Klein looked awesome tonight.
Here are the three finalists: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/heisman...36--ncaaf.html
I doubt these are very surprising. I still think that Manziel will/should win.
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the ESPN version: http://espn.go.com/dallas/college-fo...amed-finalists
Johnny Football, Collin Klien and some defensive guy from ND nobody has heard of . Johnny wins because its a better story (and he had pretty dramatic numbers, and made a statement with A&M's first year in the SEC and he beat the #1 team in the nation and has a cool nickname. ) If CK hadn't had the Baylor experience he would have provided more drama and probably won it.
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If it came down to "pursuit of excellence with integrity", Klein would get it. The guy is picture of class and character, as well as being an awesome leader and player. But I think that part of the Heisman mission statement will be overlooked by the voters because he had one bad game late in the season.
I wonder if this piece of news is an indication of what is to come on Saturday:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-...08--ncaaf.html
After reading that article I don't think the Heisman is necessarily out of reach for Te'o. Anyone know where to find a list of his stats?
That article lists Johnny Unitas Golden Arm (outstanding senior) Collin Klein as playing for Texas A&M. Sorry, I just have to make the correction...Kansas State University. Ugh! I hate it when the press messes up stuff like that.
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My gut tells me Te'o gets it. There's enough "old school" voters who will invoke the unwritten rule that Freshmen don't get the Heisman as the reason to not vote for him. But he had better numbers that Klein, so it would be hard for them to vote for Klein. I'd like to see Te'o get it because quite frankly, quarterbacks get the award too often and defense doesn't get hardly any love from the Heisman. Te'o had 7 interceptions as a linebacker... that's nuts. Manziel can have it next year, assuming he has an equally good year.
Here's a link to some quick stats for the three Heisman finalists:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/i...sman-finalists
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Well, according to that article this should practically be in the bag for Manziel. The comparison to Cam Newton's Heisman year is what impresses me and really says that he might deserve it, although I'm liking the idea of a defensive player winning, and Te'o has had a very good year.
It seems I recollect that another Notre Dame player, not a quarterback, by the name of Leon Hart won the Heisman back in the 50s.
Leon Hart was an end on both offense & defense when players had to play on both sides of the ball.
T'eo has won five awards, two of them overall POY awards. That certainly boosts his chances.
The voters for Heisman are different, of course, but I think this is one year where any of the finalists has an equally good case. There's no bad choice here. They've all got tremendous personal stories as well.
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It's Manziel.
Manziel was quite deserving of the award and it will be great to see what he has in store the next couple of years (could a total of 4 Heismans be in his future?).
Big surprise, another Heisman for a quarterback. Why don't they just acknowledge that it's really the award for the best quarterback, not the best player.
Quarterbacks have more easily measurable skills and talent. Te'o deserved it, but Manziel took the sport by storm this year. Unfortunate, but that's the way things go.
Another statistic I heard was that 22% of the vote was cast before the last weekend of the season was played. Klein did well his last game, and that could have helped with his vote #. It would have no way changed him getting third, but I'm wondering if it would have helped Te'o out by taking some of Manziel's votes away from him? But then maybe not. Probably the people who voted for Manziel were already blown away by him and wouldn't switched their thinking to Klein.
To say that Teo deserved it seems to say Johnny football didn't ? JF only led the nation in total yards and broke Heisman winner Cam Newton's SEC records . Playing as a frosh he probably deserved even more. The kid is pretty exceptional and driven . I just watched his acceptance speech and he could win the Toastmasters best awards for that type of thing. Is Johnny F going to stick around win another 1 or two , will A&M become a pack leader in the SEC somehting the never could do under the shadow of UT an OU in the big 12? exciting times in Aggie Land.
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