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    From the Eurasia Region news:

    Taking the punishment

    On one of the final nights of Nazarene teen camp at the Sea of Azov, Ukraine, an unexpected real-life drama played out on the platform that stunned the 135 teens and adults who attended.

    When the camp leader, Victor Parsegov, called the names of four or five teen boys and girls, the singled out ones sauntered to the platform, looking cocky. They knew they’d been caught breaking camp rules by smoking and drinking, said Mission Corps missionary Joseph Sumi, who was involved.

    “They would come back to the dorm and we could tell they were drunk,” Sumi said. “At that service they faced it head on.”

    “We were ready to send them home once they violated our roles, but Trino [Jara, Nazarene Compassionate Ministries (NCM) coordinator for the Eurasia Region] suggested that we show them grace and give them another chance,” said Andriy Takhtay, who spoke at the camp and also works with NCM. “Because after all, it is all about God's undeserved grace to us that we are saved.“

    Parsegov told the youth that breaking rules necessitated punishment. He pulled out a stick. The teens didn’t quaver, seeming to view their punishment as a mark of rebellion to wear proudly, Sumi said.

    Suddenly, one of the teen leaders jumped up and ran to the platform.

    “She said, ‘No don’t punish them! I love these guys, I don’t want them to be punished,’” Sumi recalled. “‘The others said, ‘Well, there has to be punishment.’ She said, ‘Well, let me take the punishment.’”

    The guilty teens did not look so cocky anymore. Some even asked her not to take their beating. The entire room fell silent as the leader repeatedly rapped the girl’s hands with a stick. She bit her lips to keep from crying out, gasping at the pain of each strike.

    When the punishment was meted out, she ran from the room crying. The teens on the platform looked utterly dismayed. When the leader said they could return to their seats, they stood for a long time before moving.

    “That rattled them – someone they clearly liked, they cared for her and … she didn’t ask them to stop what they were doing or apologize or to say anything to her. She just did it,” Sumi said.

    After the evening sermon, almost every teen went forward to seek prayer. The incident opened doors during the rest of camp for leaders to share openly about the gospel and the Bible with the teens, almost 70 percent of whom had no church background, according to Parsegov

    “Summer is a dangerous time for teenagers, because the school is closed for a summer break and during the day teenagers are not taken care of. Most of the time they spend in front of TV, or computer or on the streets,” he wrote in his report on the event. “Our task was to take care of teenagers for at least seven days, provide them with alternative ways of spending time and having fun and introduce them to Jesus by sharing the Gospel. Our goal also included building bridges between Christian and un-churches teens.”

    The camp leaders, who are returning with the youth to Nazarene churches across Ukraine and Moldova, plan to stay in touch with the teens and try to disciple them.

    Following the teen camp, which ran from July 9-17, a children’s camp at the same grounds saw about 120 kids participate from July 19-28.

    The factor that helped to attract so many unchurched youth and children to this year’s camps was the visit of two U.S. mission teams from Northwest Nazarene University and Point Loma Nazarene University earlier in the summer. Their outdoor evangelistic activities exposed numerous people to the Nazarene churches in their communities, Sumi said. Many of those youth and children then attended their respective camps.

    “The way the camp was structured and the evening services, they tried to make it so that it didn’t throw Christianity right at them, they wanted to build a relationship with the kids [first],” he said.

    Parsegov wrote, “It is one thing to hear the Gospel presentation from an unknown person, and it is totally different if you hear the Gospel presentation from the friend and person that you trust.”

    Pray for the leaders and the youth and children, that the seeds planted at camp will not fail to bear fruit.

    “Their story is not finished,” Sumi said.
    "No scripture can mean that God is not love, or that his mercy is not over all his works" (John Wesley - Free Grace, 26)

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    Re: Taking the punishment

    Seriously,
    I am not spoiling for any debate or fight...but isn't this a little too close to PSA for you?

    "Preach the gospel; if necessary use words" is like saying "feed the poor and; if necessary use food."
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    Re: Taking the punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by George Wallace View Post
    Seriously,
    I am not spoiling for any debate or fight...but isn't this a little too close to PSA for you?
    For me, yes. It's also a little too close to child abuse for me. But I'm not from the Ukraine, and I don't know the culture there, so I really couldn't say what it is for them.
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    Re: Taking the punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by George Wallace View Post
    Seriously,
    I am not spoiling for any debate or fight...but isn't this a little too close to PSA for you?
    Of course! Way too close. I'd never use it. It displays God as an angry deity who just HAS to punish someone in order for His righteous wrath to be stilled. It makes my blood run cold.

    But, the good thing is that it did teach something about grace. In that, I rejoice. And pray this is the main thing they took from it and that the distortion won't do too much damage.

    Seriously.
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    Re: Taking the punishment

    I guess this story makes clear why I always struggle with examples in sermons. My pastor never fails to encourage me to use them, but there always seems to be something wrong with whatever example I can come up with (or hear from others). Either it doesn't fit completely, or it needs a lot of explanation. No example I can come up with really tells the story I have in mind.
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    The Sumis received their call to mission service at our church while attending a serevice at which Linda Russell, missionary to Russia was speaking June 5, 2011. This last June, a year later, they came to our church to testify to the fact and raise funds. He is of Japanese and Norwegian ancestry and calls himself a Japawegian. I have one of their prayer cards and pray for them and many other missionaries that I have met on Sunday mornings.

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    Re: Taking the punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by George Wallace View Post
    Seriously,
    I am not spoiling for any debate or fight...but isn't this a little too close to PSA for you?
    I was thinking the very same thing.
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    Re: Taking the punishment

    I'm much more concerned about beating a child than the theological message.
    ...just my $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Scott View Post
    I'm much more concerned about beating a child than the theological message.
    Oh, for the days when child abuse was funny, and many a middle aged adult boasted about their many whippings.
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us wthout end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
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    Re: Taking the punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Cox View Post
    Oh, for the days when child abuse was funny, and many a middle aged adult boasted about their many whippings.
    Billy, it never really was ... for sure.
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    Re: Taking the punishment

    Just got an email from the Eurasia Regional Office with the following lines:

    " In an earlier version of the story we failed to mention that the demonstration was part of a skit designed by the local youth leaders to teach about Christ's sacrifice for our own sins. We regret the confusion this omission may have caused and we reiterate our commitment to protecting all areas of the lives of our children and youth"
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    Re: Taking the punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Deventer View Post
    I guess this story makes clear why I always struggle with examples in sermons. My pastor never fails to encourage me to use them, but there always seems to be something wrong with whatever example I can come up with (or hear from others). Either it doesn't fit completely, or it needs a lot of explanation. No example I can come up with really tells the story I have in mind.
    While studying at Trevecca I had become increasingly frustrated with my inability to capture in an example or story the fullness of any aspect of God I was covering at the time. My Systematic Theology professor, Dr. Spaulding, reminded me that all metaphors are lacking, but that we should strive to do our best so the truth can be revealed. I am thankful for his advice and the work of the Spirit to make clear the Truth in ways none of us could hope.
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